Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution and Parallels to Egypt 2011

[GHook93]

The Egypt Riots And The 1979 Iranian Revolution, A Note Of Warning And Encouragement | The New Republic

(1) Like Murbarak the Shah ran his country in a relatively secular manner.
(2) They used brutal, yet NECESSARY tactics, to suppress the radical and irrational elements of Islamofacists in this country.
(3) They both rejected democracy
(4) Unemployment, rising food prices fueled the revolt.
(5) In Iran, just as what will happen in Egypt, it started out as a secular revoltion, that was hijacked by the Islamofacists.

In 1978, Ayatollah Khomeini hid his true intentions—namely the creation of a despotic rule of the clerics—behind the mantle of democracy. More than once he promised that not a single cleric would hold a position of power in the future government. But once in power, he created the current clerical despotism.

(6) Weak naive American Presidents that condemned a great allie while facilitating the Islamic Revolution/

(7) The Islamofacists will hijack the movement by disguising themselves as pro-Democracy advocates. Once they get to power, they will stab the secularist, who started the revolution in the back and develop a government where the unelected Islamic Clerics and Supreme Leader rule over everything and have final say on everything.

Benefiting from the subsequent chaos, radical Islamists, posing as democrats, used the chance to seize power and deracinate the democratic movement in favor of tradition and theocracy.

(8) Egypt, like Iran, will be worst off! The problems the secularist and young called for regime change will still be there, but now they will be under a more repressive Islamic Government that is antiwestern!

(9) Egypt goes into confrontation with the USA!

 

[georgephillip]

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[High_Gravity]

Irans revolution did start out secular and than the Mullahs took it over, hope that doesn't happen in Egypt.

 

[GHook93]

Only douches like you that have worked for minimum wage their entire life quote and believe in Chumpsky!

On a side note: If a guy get to a 2nd red star should that be an clear cut indication that nobody gives a fuck what you think. I am just saying!

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[BlindBoo]

Is there some kind of religious leader in exile that has been formenting dissent in Egypt?

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/rkhomeini/ayatollah_khomeini.php

 

[BlindBoo]

The Egypt Riots And The 1979 Iranian Revolution, A Note Of Warning And Encouragement | The New Republic

(1) Like Murbarak the Shah ran his country in a relatively secular manner.
(2) They used brutal, yet NECESSARY tactics, to suppress the radical and irrational elements of Islamofacists in this country.
(3) They both rejected democracy
(4) Unemployment, rising food prices fueled the revolt.
(5) In Iran, just as what will happen in Egypt, it started out as a secular revoltion, that was hijacked by the Islamofacists.

In 1978, Ayatollah Khomeini hid his true intentions—namely the creation of a despotic rule of the clerics—behind the mantle of democracy. More than once he promised that not a single cleric would hold a position of power in the future government. But once in power, he created the current clerical despotism.

(6) Weak naive American Presidents that condemned a great allie while facilitating the Islamic Revolution/

(7) The Islamofacists will hijack the movement by disguising themselves as pro-Democracy advocates. Once they get to power, they will stab the secularist, who started the revolution in the back and develop a government where the unelected Islamic Clerics and Supreme Leader rule over everything and have final say on everything.

Benefiting from the subsequent chaos, radical Islamists, posing as democrats, used the chance to seize power and deracinate the democratic movement in favor of tradition and theocracy.

(8) Egypt, like Iran, will be worst off! The problems the secularist and young called for regime change will still be there, but now they will be under a more repressive Islamic Government that is antiwestern!

(9) Egypt goes into confrontation with the USA!

He did not hide his true intentions of setting up an Islamic state.

History of Iran: Ayatollah Khomeini

Once settled in Najaf, Ayatollah Khomeini began teaching fiqh at the Sheikh Mourteza Ansari madreseh. At this madreseh he delivered, between January 21 and February 8, 1970, his lectures on Velayat-e faqeeh, the theory of governance and Islamic Leadership (the text of these lectures was published in Najaf, not long after their delivery, under the title Velayat-e faqeeh ya Hukumat-i Islami). The text of the lectures on Velayat-e faqeeh was smuggled back to Iran by visitors who came to see the Khomeini in Najaf.

The most visible sign of the popularity of Ayatollah Khomeini in the pre-revolutionary years, above all at the heart of the religious institution in Qom, came in June 1975 on the anniversary of the uprising of 15 Khordad. Students at the Feyziyeh madreseh began holding a demonstration within the confines of the building, and a sympathetic crowd assembled outside. Both gatherings continued for three days until they were attacked military forces, with numerous deaths resulting. Ayatollah Khomeini reacted with a message in which he declared the events in Qom and similar disturbances elsewhere to be a sign of hope that "freedom and liberation from the bonds of imperialism" were at hand. The beginning of the revolution came indeed some two and a half years later.

In January 7, 1978 when an article appeared in the semi-official newspaper Ittila'at attacking him in such terms as a traitor working together with foreign enemies of the country. The next day a furious mass protest took place in Qom; it was suppressed by the security forces with heavy loss of life. This was the first in a series of popular confrontations that, gathering momentum throughout 1978, soon turned into a vast revolutionary movement, demanding the overthrow of the Pahlavi regime and the installation of an Islamic government.

So there are fewer parrels betwenn Iran 1979 and Egypt 2011 than the New Republic reports. However the young protestors should still be wary of outside influences.

 

[GHook93]

Is there some kind of religious leader in exile that has been formenting dissent in Egypt?

History of Iran: Ayatollah Khomeini

No rather the religious leaders (actually group) has been formenting dissent from inside the country aka the Muslim Brotherhood!

 

[georgephillip]

Only douches like you that have worked for minimum wage their entire life quote and believe in Chumpsky!

On a side note: If a guy get to a 2nd red star should that be an clear cut indication that nobody gives a fuck what you think. I am just saying!

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How is Egypt unlike Iran?

First and foremost, Egypt is not primarily an oil state.

It's revenue depends on tolls from the Suez Canal, tourism, manufactured and agricultural exports, and "strategic rents" which consist primarily of the $1.5 billion the US pays in bribes each year on behalf of Israel's Jewish "democracy."

Since Egypt depends on the rest of the world for grain imports, what do you think would happen if its government suddenly adopted a radical and defiant ideology like Iran's?

'Think all its major sources of income might suddenly disappear like the Peacock throne in '79?

I'm just asking.

RED RULES!

 

[Ropey]

Only douches like you that have worked for minimum wage their entire life quote and believe in Chumpsky!

On a side note: If a guy get to a 2nd red star should that be an clear cut indication that nobody gives a fuck what you think. I am just saying!

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You can't get through obsessive insanity Ghook.

Speaking only for myself, I think my obsession with Israel and Jews...

Obsession is an illness George​

 

[georgephillip]

Irans revolution did start out secular and than the Mullahs took it over, hope that doesn't happen in Egypt.

"A recent Pew poll found that 59% of Egyptians favor democracy in almost all situations. And fully 60 percent are very or somewhat worried about the specter of religious extremism in their society.

"About 61% do not even think there is a struggle between modernizers and religion in Egypt.

"Among the 31% who did see such a struggle, 59% favored religious forces and 21% favored the modernizers. Barry Rubin and Michael Totten misread this latter statistic to be true of all Egyptians.

"They are wrong.

"The statistic is not about Egyptians in general, but about the third of them who see a conflict between modernizers and religion.

"59% of 31% is 18% of the whole Egyptian population who favor fundamentalists over modernizers.

"The rest either favor the modernizers or think it is a phony conflict. Not thinking that modernism and religiosity conflict is generally a liberal point of view."

Informed Comment: Why Egypt 2011 is Not Iran 1979

 

[georgephillip]

Is there some kind of religious leader in exile that has been formenting dissent in Egypt?

History of Iran: Ayatollah Khomeini

No rather the religious leaders (actually group) has been formenting dissent from inside the country aka the Muslim Brotherhood!

Tell us everything you know about the Brotherhood.

"The Egyptian Brotherhood renounced violence years ago, but its relative moderation has made it the target of extreme vilification by more radical Islamists.

"Al Qaeda’s leaders, Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri, started their political lives affiliated with the Brotherhood but both have denounced it for decades as too soft and a cat’s paw of Mubarak and America.

"Egypt’s new opposition leader, former International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed ElBaradei, has formed a loose alliance with the Brotherhood because he knows it is the only opposition group that can mobilize masses of Egyptians, especially the poor.

"He says he can work with it to change Egypt.

"Many scholars of political Islam also judge the Brotherhood is the most reasonable face of Islamic politics in the Arab world today.

"Skeptics fear ElBaradei will be swept along by more radical forces."

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