911 WTC 7 Silent Thermate Demolition, Debunkers Grab Your Ankles!

[n0spam4me]

"even clearer: uncontrolled fires + no evidence of accelerants of any kind = the collapse of wtc7"

This gets crazier and crazier, now its no evidence of acceleration at all...... REALLY PEOPLE? When the NIST published a document that specifies 9.8m/s^2 acceleration, and its available on the web for all to see.... NIST - NC STAR 1A ..... look it up, page 46.
Thank U very much.

 

[Skylar]

"even clearer: uncontrolled fires + no evidence of accelerants of any kind = the collapse of wtc7"

Why would need 'accelerants' when the WTC had 8 hours to burn? All accelerants do is speed up the process. With 8 hours of uncontrolled burn, you don't need to speed it up.

And speaking of 'no evidence', there's zero evidence of bombs. 1) No apparatus of explosive has ever been found. Not a single inch of blasting wire, not a single charge, nothing. Not before, during or after the collapse. And your theory requires thousands.

2) There were also no girders cut in a manner consistent with controlled demolition.

3) And no residue of explosives found in any of the dust samples.

So with no evidence of bombs, clearly your bomb theory is nixed. These are your own standards that your conspiracy just failed after all.

This gets crazier and crazier, now its no evidence of acceleration at all...... REALLY PEOPLE?

Huh? Who says there was no acceleration? Dude, you're talking to yourself.

When the NIST published a document that specifies 9.8m/s^2 acceleration, and its available on the web for all to see.... NIST - NC STAR 1A ..... look it up, page 46.
Thank U very much.

Here's the NIST timeline...more than double your estimates.

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

• Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
• Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
• Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation

And of course, you're still ignoring the collapse of the penthouse into the WTC 6 seconds before the facade fell. Which demonstrates undeniably that the internal structure of the wtc collapsing before the facade came down.

Oh, that's right. You always pretend that the penthouse never caved in. And ignore the issue of the WTC's collapsing internal structure entirely.

So much for that 'quest for truth' huh, buddy?[/quote]

 

[daws101]

"even clearer: uncontrolled fires + no evidence of accelerants of any kind = the collapse of wtc7"

This gets crazier and crazier, now its no evidence of acceleration at all...... REALLY PEOPLE? When the NIST published a document that specifies 9.8m/s^2 acceleration, and its available on the web for all to see.... NIST - NC STAR 1A ..... look it up, page 46.
Thank U very much.

hey spammy your ignorance is showing: accelerants and acceleration are two separate things .
one is an action the other is a substance or substances..

 

[n0spam4me]

OK, where is your DOCUMENTATION that somebody looked for and did not find any traces of accelerants?

"And of course, you're still ignoring the collapse of the penthouse into the WTC 6 seconds before the facade fell. Which demonstrates undeniably that the internal structure of the wtc collapsing before the facade came down.

Oh, that's right. You always pretend that the penthouse never caved in. And ignore the issue of the WTC's collapsing internal structure entirely."

When did I specify that I didn't recognize the drop of the penthouse? The problem here is that the drop of the penthouse is being used as an excuse as to why the "facade" would fall at 9.8 m/s^2 for 2.25 sec, and please note that the "facade" includes the west wall in addition to the north wall. and for that 2.25 sec, ALL of the resistance would have to just go away, like POOF as in Harry Potter just waved his wand and made it go away. .... what?

 

[Faun]

OK, where is your DOCUMENTATION that somebody looked for and did not find any traces of accelerants?

Why is it anyone else's job to prove you wrong when you can't prove yourself right?

If there is evidence of accelerants, then post it.

 

[daws101]

OK, where is your DOCUMENTATION that somebody looked for and did not find any traces of accelerants?

"And of course, you're still ignoring the collapse of the penthouse into the WTC 6 seconds before the facade fell. Which demonstrates undeniably that the internal structure of the wtc collapsing before the facade came down.

Oh, that's right. You always pretend that the penthouse never caved in. And ignore the issue of the WTC's collapsing internal structure entirely."

When did I specify that I didn't recognize the drop of the penthouse? The problem here is that the drop of the penthouse is being used as an excuse as to why the "facade" would fall at 9.8 m/s^2 for 2.25 sec, and please note that the "facade" includes the west wall in addition to the north wall. and for that 2.25 sec, ALL of the resistance would have to just go away, like POOF as in Harry Potter just waved his wand and made it go away. .... what?

false! no one has ever claimed the penthouse never came down..or caved in.
Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation


Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.

To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.

It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.

Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.

Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for interior partitions.

An emergency responder caught in the building between the 6th and 8th floors says he heard two loud booms. Isn't that evidence that there was an explosion?
The sound levels reported by all witnesses do not match the sound level of an explosion that would have been required to cause the collapse of the building. If the two loud booms were due to explosions that were responsible for the collapse of WTC 7, the emergency responder-located somewhere between the 6th and 8th floors in WTC 7-would not have been able to survive the near immediate collapse and provide this witness account.

In June 2009, NIST began releasing documents in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request from the International Center for 9/11 Studies for "all of the photographs and videos collected, reviewed, cited or in any other way used by NIST during its investigation of the World Trade Center building collapses." One of the items released, a video obtained from NBC News , shows World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) in the moments before it collapsed, then cuts to the collapse already in progress, with the building's east penthouse "disappearing" from the scene (as it had already fallen in the intervening time). Other videos of the WTC 7 collapse show the penthouse falling first, followed by the rest of the building. Did NIST edit the NBC News video to remove the collapse of the penthouse?
The video footage released under the FOIA request was copied from the original video exactly as it was received from NBC News, with video documentation of the WTC 7 east penthouse collapse missing. The footage was not edited in any way by NIST.


also
In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at WTC Disaster Study), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail.

To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky.

The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at WTC Disaster Study) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at WTC Disaster Study).

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

• Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
• Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
• Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.

 

[Skylar]

When did I specify that I didn't recognize the drop of the penthouse? The problem here is that the drop of the penthouse is being used as an excuse as to why the "facade" would fall at 9.8 m/s^2 for 2.25 sec, and please note that the "facade" includes the west wall in addition to the north wall. and for that 2.25 sec, ALL of the resistance would have to just go away, like POOF as in Harry Potter just waved his wand and made it go away. .... what?

When you ignored it in calculating your collapse times. The collapse of the building began at least 19 seconds before you admit it began. Your timing is off by almost an order of magnitude.

And of course, the NIST explicitly contradicts your timeline:

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

• Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
• Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
• Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation

Putting it at 5.4 seconds.

You ignore the collapsing beginning before you insist it should have collapsed, you ignore the fact that the collapse initiated low in the building, and you ignore the timeline of the collapse by the NIST.

And of course, ignore the facts that bombs were virtually impossible.

And ignore the FDNY in their assessment of fire and structural damage bringing down the WTC 7....correcting predicting its collapse by hours.

And ignore the fact that the collapse of the facade began in virtual silence. With actual controlled demolition being ludicriously loud. There is no such thing as 'silent explosives'.

And you ignore the fact that the NIST did look for evidence of controlled demolition. And found none.

And you ignore the fact that there is zero evidence of any bombs in the WTC 1, 2 or 7.

And you ignore the fact that there was no residue of explosives in the dust samples taken from the WTC.

And you ignore the fact that the Port Authority bomb squad had already gone through the entire WTC plaza and found no bombs....only a week before.

But why would we or any rational person ignore the veritable Mongel Horde of contradictory evidence utterly destroying your silly conspiracy?

 

[n0spam4me]

"Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)" From the NIST

and everybody appears to be trying very hard to totally ignore this bit.

 

[n0spam4me]

OK, where is your DOCUMENTATION that somebody looked for and did not find any traces of accelerants?

Why is it anyone else's job to prove you wrong when you can't prove yourself right?

If there is evidence of accelerants, then post it.

The "authorities" had control of the site that day, who tested for explosives (etc....)
and if they did, where is it documented?

 

[Faun]

OK, where is your DOCUMENTATION that somebody looked for and did not find any traces of accelerants?

Why is it anyone else's job to prove you wrong when you can't prove yourself right?

If there is evidence of accelerants, then post it.

The "authorities" had control of the site that day, who tested for explosives (etc....)
and if they did, where is it documented?

But you don't believe the authorities.

 

[daws101]

"Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)" From the NIST

and everybody appears to be trying very hard to totally ignore this bit.

nobody's ignoring it... it's just not important ..

 

[daws101]

OK, where is your DOCUMENTATION that somebody looked for and did not find any traces of accelerants?

Why is it anyone else's job to prove you wrong when you can't prove yourself right?

If there is evidence of accelerants, then post it.

The "authorities" had control of the site that day, who tested for explosives (etc....)
and if they did, where is it documented?

what do you mean by control? wtc7 was an after thought in the middle of the largest disaster in nyc's history.
no one was killed there nothing that could not be replaced was lost.
an analogy would be an empty barn burning down..

 

[Faun]

"Delta colors painted on pieces of the fuselage"

and the alleged hijacked airliners were AMERICAN AIRLINES and UNITED AIRLINES. ....... REALLY PEOPLE ..... ?

Problem here is that showing pix of a few bits of metal does NOT constitute accounting for the aircraft.

Check out Carrie Feinstein's eyewitness account in this video starting at 0:54 ... if there were no planes that day flying into buildings, explain how she saw two?

 

[Skylar]

"Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)" From the NIST

and everybody appears to be trying very hard to totally ignore this bit.

Nope. This is where the facade fell together after the central columns had already collapsed. Remember, the first to fully fail was the 13th. About 15 stories below the bottom of the visible portion of the WTC 7 in your video. And how long would it take those 18 stories in your videos to hit reach the level of the 13th floor?

About 2.25 seconds. But that's just a coincidence, huh?

And since your bomb theory has been demonstrated to be virtually impossible, failing even your own standards of 'documentation', we can rule that. Leaving the NIST account as the last man standing. And matching the evidence perfectly.

 

[n0spam4me]

has anybody seen "sound evidence for demolition"
look it up ...... The NIST is peddling snake oil!

 

[KokomoJojo]

Could you at least list your credentials that qualifies you to make such an assessment.

Certainly, I'm a sentient being, 1 ea. earthling type.
that is all that is required to be able to see that 9/11/2001 = False Flag operation.

Certainly, everyone who does not agree with you are "sentient" beings, many Earthling types.

Logic and common sense are really all that is required to see that the 9/11 truthers are about anything but the truth.

So for those who care about the truth, please enlighten me as to exactly how it was documented, that is what remained of each airliner that is the alleged "FLT11", :"FLT175", "FLT77". & "FLT93" ?

where are the airplanes? You don't just make tons of aircraft disappear as if you had Harry Potters wand, aircraft wreckage doesn't just evaporate....

The following discussion and picture should be enough.

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

The truthers have to get their stories straight. The following is PM response to debris being found where truthers say it should not be found. What does that mean to those who say there was not debris?

Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater—not 6 miles—easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest—toward Indian Lake.

Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.

so where is the rest of the plane or do you think a couple nuts and bolts equal a plane? LOL

 

[KokomoJojo]

has anybody seen "sound evidence for demolition"
look it up ...... The NIST is peddling snake oil!

sure big botta booma!

 

[KokomoJojo]

"Delta colors painted on pieces of the fuselage"

and the alleged hijacked airliners were AMERICAN AIRLINES and UNITED AIRLINES. ....... REALLY PEOPLE ..... ?

Problem here is that showing pix of a few bits of metal does NOT constitute accounting for the aircraft.

Check out Carrie Feinstein's eyewitness account in this video starting at 0:54 ... if there were no planes that day flying into buildings, explain how she saw two?

the evidence shows she saw no plane impact world trade center.

when a plane hits a solid object there is a huge ball of flames approx 3 microseconds after the tanks are severed

 

[KokomoJojo]

now this is hilarious!

not even the debunker trolls want to stick their neck out on this one.

gotta love it when truthers present an unimpeachable case.

Relax, chuckles. Your conspiracy was already proven impossible 6 times over.

Read above.

Sorry, 9/11 was a conspiracy. Cheney had both motive and knowledge and I can prove it. And, WTC7 was identical to implosions. And, squibs were observed in all three buildings.

yeh and the experts agree it was a demolition but debunkers are willfully ignorant tards pushing their propaganda.






hey ya ever see a thermate cutter?

takes one inch of steel and poof its fucking gone!

 

[SAYIT]

has anybody seen "sound evidence for demolition"
look it up ...... The NIST is peddling snake oil!

Woo. The irony!