75% of America wants to keep innocent men locked up

[SpidermanTuba]

you should also know that during the Revolutionary war,the POW's were not given trials....some were shot the others were kept in shitty conditions until the war was over....

During the Revolutionary War people were owned as property and it was legal to beat and rape your wife. I guess we should strive to have the same values as they did back then.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Their rights weren't obtained by treaty - the U.S. Courts have jurisdiction over any area the U.S. has jurisdiction, regardless of how or why we have jurisdiction, whether it be because of a treaty, or because its our sovereign land, or whatever.


Outside of the U.S. Law argument - its all just wrong to keep people locked up indefinitely without trial. its against everything our Founding Fathers stood for.


SpidermanTUba in Exile

WRONG, The US Courts do NOT have Jurisdiction over Military bases. The Military has Jurisdiction. And the original plan was to hold Military tribunals, which the Courts have illegally blocked. Thanks to dumb ass retards like you.

I'm afraid the Supreme Court disagrees with your assessment. But you're right, we should just go with whatever RetiredGySgt says the law is, the Supreme Court is irrelevant. Says so in the Constitution "The ultimate authority on everything is RetiredGySgt"

 

[manu1959]

......they are either terrorists or spies and should be dealt with as terrorists or spies.....

Prove it.

well if the are innocent why are they there......what country are the fighting for....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

......they are either terrorists or spies and should be dealt with as terrorists or spies.....

Prove it.

well if the are innocent why are they there......what country are the fighting for....

Because we put them there. Often after they were captured by non-U.S. militants for a bounty.

Please, continue with your proof. You're doing a horrible job BTW.

 

[manu1959]

Prove it.

well if the are innocent why are they there......what country are the fighting for....

Because we put them there. Please, continue with your proof. You're doing a horrible job BTW.

not really they were captured on the field of battle....what uniform were they wereing and what country were they fighting for....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

not really they were captured on the field of battle....what uniform were they wereing and what country were they fighting for....

How does not having a uniform count as proof of anything other than that you don't have a uniform?

Here, maybe this can help with some of your ignorance.

1.
Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
3.
The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are “associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4.
Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States
custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.
5.
Finally, the population of persons deemed not to be enemy combatants – mostly
Uighers – are in fact accused of more serious allegations than a great many persons still deemed to
be enemy combatants.

http://law.shu.edu/aaafinal.pdf

 

[manu1959]

not really they were captured on the field of battle....what uniform were they wereing and what country were they fighting for....

How does not having a uniform count as proof of anything other than that you don't have a uniform?

Here, maybe this can help with some of your ignorance.

1.
Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
3.
The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are “associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4.
Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States
custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.
5.
Finally, the population of persons deemed not to be enemy combatants – mostly
Uighers – are in fact accused of more serious allegations than a great many persons still deemed to
be enemy combatants.

http://law.shu.edu/aaafinal.pdf

which country were they fighting for....what uniform were they wearing....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

not really they were captured on the field of battle....what uniform were they wereing and what country were they fighting for....

How does not having a uniform count as proof of anything other than that you don't have a uniform?

Here, maybe this can help with some of your ignorance.

1.
Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
3.
The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are “associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4.
Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States
custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.
5.
Finally, the population of persons deemed not to be enemy combatants – mostly
Uighers – are in fact accused of more serious allegations than a great many persons still deemed to
be enemy combatants.

http://law.shu.edu/aaafinal.pdf

which country were they fighting for....what uniform were they wearing....

Stop asking questions and start proving that the ones that are to be released are guilty of a terrorist act. Or shut up. Take your pick.

 

[Harry Dresden]

you should also know that during the Revolutionary war,the POW's were not given trials....some were shot the others were kept in shitty conditions until the war was over....

During the Revolutionary War people were owned as property and it was legal to beat and rape your wife. I guess we should strive to have the same values as they did back then.

yea....so whats your point?.....

 

[manu1959]

How does not having a uniform count as proof of anything other than that you don't have a uniform?

Here, maybe this can help with some of your ignorance.


http://law.shu.edu/aaafinal.pdf

which country were they fighting for....what uniform were they wearing....

Stop asking questions and start proving that the ones that are to be released are guilty of a terrorist act. Or shut up. Take your pick.

come on this is really easy.....when these folks were captured what uniform were they wearing and what country were they fighting for.....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Fair enough - but there is also a difference between being presumed innocent and actually being innocent.

Not under the law there isn't. And we are a nation of laws.

Yes under the law there is. You can be presumed innocent but still arrested, and detained till trial.

But I wasn't speaking strictly legally or the presumption. The title says "innocent men" and that may very well not be true. If fact for many of them I'd guess its not.

So does this mean a headline that reads "Over 3000 innocents killed on 9/11" isn't really true since we don't have proof that all 3,000 of those people weren't murderers?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

which country were they fighting for....what uniform were they wearing....

Stop asking questions and start proving that the ones that are to be released are guilty of a terrorist act. Or shut up. Take your pick.

come on this is really easy.....when these folks were captured what uniform were they wearing and what country were they fighting for.....

I anxiously await your proof of their crimes.

 

[manu1959]

Stop asking questions and start proving that the ones that are to be released are guilty of a terrorist act. Or shut up. Take your pick.

come on this is really easy.....when these folks were captured what uniform were they wearing and what country were they fighting for.....

I anxiously await your proof of their crimes.

no really....what uniform were these folks wearing and what country were they fighting for......

 

[SpidermanTuba]

come on this is really easy.....when these folks were captured what uniform were they wearing and what country were they fighting for.....

I anxiously await your proof of their crimes.

no really....what uniform were these folks wearing and what country were they fighting for......

I anxiously await your proof of their crimes.

 

[elvis]

75 percent of Americans don't want more Americans killed by people pissed off from being locked up for 7 years.

 

[HUGGY]

75 percent of Americans don't want more Americans killed by people pissed off from being locked up for 7 years.

Elvis? Incomprehensibly ignorant. That is about the worst reason possible to keep someone illegaly detained detained further.

But remarkably similar to your policy towards the palistinians.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

75 percent of Americans don't want more Americans killed by people pissed off from being locked up for 7 years.

So? What makes you certain they are going to kill someone for it? You know the movie "Minority Report" wasn't real, right?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

come on this is really easy.....when these folks were captured what uniform were they wearing and what country were they fighting for.....

I anxiously await your proof of their crimes.

no really....what uniform were these folks wearing and what country were they fighting for......

I still await your proof they committed a crime of terror. Please, I'm overwrought with antici...................

 

[HUGGY]

Thier silence is deafening.

 

[Iriemon]

come on this is really easy.....when these folks were captured what uniform were they wearing and what country were they fighting for.....

I anxiously await your proof of their crimes.

no really....what uniform were these folks wearing and what country were they fighting for......

That is an excellent question!

It is exactly what should be asked.

And that is why we have trials. With a trial, the uniform they were wearing (or lack of one) and whether they were fighting is proved by the Govt. And if the proof satisfies a jury, then the appropriate punishment is applied.

That's the way it works, see? It's great. That way, we don't have to wonder if people we locked up were wearing uniforms or whether they were fighting or not.