57% of Americans Support a Public Option

[nodoginnafight]

The poll has 38% CONSERVATIVES vs. 23% liberals. There is NO leftward bias there whatsoever.

It doesn't appear to me to show any signs of leftward bias either.

They obviously included a large number of right-leaning independents, which makes perfect sense given how often nowadays you hear conservatives expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican party.

I don't know that I can agree that oversampling a segment just because they are making more noise makes perfect sense.

I remember in the past I used to hear a lot about "the silent majority." And I have to say, you do tend to hear more (proportionately) out of those on the extremes.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is how politically accurate the demographics of the poll are. Here's the data,

Washington Post News (washingtonpost.com)

1. scroll down to the liberal/moderate/conservative breakdown.

2. Look at the breakdown for Oct 08, the last poll before the election. 22% liberal 44% moderate 34% conservative.

3. The actual breakdown for the 2008 election exit polls, 2 weeks later? 22% liberal 44% moderate 34% conservative.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Please, somebody make the case that the poll in the OP oversampled to the left...

..entertain us with that effort.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The poll is accurate.

What is revealing is that Republicans are an "insignificant" part of the process now. The numbers for public option will continue to grow, and my GOP will continue to be irrelevant until it elects to get rid of the rightwing reactionaries.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Polls are bullshit and those who quote them are spewing second hand bullshit.

...and what percent of Americans believe that ??

 

[NYcarbineer]

It doesn't appear to me to show any signs of leftward bias either.

They obviously included a large number of right-leaning independents, which makes perfect sense given how often nowadays you hear conservatives expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican party.

I don't know that I can agree that oversampling a segment just because they are making more noise makes perfect sense.

I remember in the past I used to hear a lot about "the silent majority." And I have to say, you do tend to hear more (proportionately) out of those on the extremes.

I was just proving that the poll was not biased to the left, since someone wanted proof.

 

[nodoginnafight]

They obviously included a large number of right-leaning independents, which makes perfect sense given how often nowadays you hear conservatives expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican party.

I don't know that I can agree that oversampling a segment just because they are making more noise makes perfect sense.

I remember in the past I used to hear a lot about "the silent majority." And I have to say, you do tend to hear more (proportionately) out of those on the extremes.

I was just proving that the poll was not biased to the left, since someone wanted proof.

I understand - Proof will not knock some of these folks off their talking points anyway - but I always appreciate a soundly supported point, whatever that point may be. Kudos.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I found a poll that said 44% currently approve and 54% currently dissaprove.

I also found out that those in charge of passing and signing this bill claim that a Public Option is needed so that they can get Single Payer Government Run Health Care.

As this fact, as stated in the democrats own words, gets spread you will watch even your health care friendly poll numbers decline on this issue.


Yeah I feel like a broken record, But what else can you do when people keep bringing up the same topic?

 

[Dr.House]

Liberal - 23%

Moderate - 36%

Conservative - 38%


...that's from the poll. What's wrong with those numbers??

You didn't answer my question... You spun the poll...

Care to try again?

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

My question had nothing to do with liberal/moderate/conservative nor with any perceived bias along those lines....

One more time:
Is a sample of 20% R an acurate representation of America or is it, as most intellectually honest individuals would claim, an undersampling?

Two choices: Accurate or undersampled.

If you could just answer with one of the words above that would be great...

 

[nodoginnafight]

You didn't answer my question... You spun the poll...

Care to try again?

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

My question had nothing to do with liberal/moderate/conservative nor with any perceived bias along those lines....

One more time:
Is a sample of 20% R an acurate representation of America or is it, as most intellectually honest individuals would claim, an undersampling?

Two choices: Accurate or undersampled.

If you could just answer with one of the words above that would be great...

By 20% R - do you mean 20% self-reported Republicans?

 

[Murf76]

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

First things first... Take a look at the headline from the Washington Pravda...
"Public Option Gains Support
CLEAR MAJORITY NOW BACKS PLAN "

Now... look at the actual question...
8. Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

Did you see the words "public option" anywhere in the poll?

"Having the government create a new health insurance plan" can mean alot of things, including co-ops. And yet the headline boasts "Public Option Gains Support".



Next things next... the poll only presents 20% of the sampling as Republican.... and we ALL KNOW there are more Republicans in the general population. People can say that they're "liberal" or "moderate" or "conservative"... but unless they're politically educated they don't always understand what those terms mean.

829 "random adults"... not registered voters, not likely voters... can't be counted on to be politically astute. And so far, the details of the bills are still not widely known. They don't know what it's going to cost them. What's more, even though 85% of the sampling reports that they currently ARE insured, only 15% are making a total household income of over 100k... which means these eggheads think it's just a rhetorical question and that it's not going to cost them anything... because THAT's what these lying asshat Democrats in Washington keep telling them.

More respondents making UNDER 20k were interviewed than those making over 100k. And it's just not reasonable to believe that with over half of the sampling making under 50k that somebody ELSE isn't paying for their insurance, either in total or substantial part. IOW, it's all "other people's money" to them. Bear in mind, the bottom 50% of Americans only pay about 10% of federal taxes currently.

And all that IF the pollsters weren't just tossing out the answers they didn't like. Who knows? Can anyone prove they didn't? Frankly, I wouldn't trust the either the Washington Pravda or the All Barack Channel to tell me if it were raining outside in the midst of a hurricane. :sick:


This wasn't anything more than a snake oil sales pitch. But like I said before, go ahead and invest in push polls. In the end, it can only result in Socialist Democrats wandering the desert for the next couple of decades... which suits me just fine.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Next things next... the poll only presents 20% of the sampling as Republican.... and we ALL KNOW there are more Republicans in the general population.

Actually we do not - 21% self-report as Republicans in the latest poll I saw.

 

[Dr.House]

Next things next... the poll only presents 20% of the sampling as Republican.... and we ALL KNOW there are more Republicans in the general population.

Actually we do not - 21% self-report as Republicans in the latest poll I saw.

Depends on who you ask and where you ask it, doesen't it?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Next things next... the poll only presents 20% of the sampling as Republican.... and we ALL KNOW there are more Republicans in the general population.

Actually we do not - 21% self-report as Republicans in the latest poll I saw.

Depends on who you ask and where you ask it, doesen't it?

Yup - as does almost everything

 

[NYcarbineer]

You didn't answer my question... You spun the poll...

Care to try again?

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

My question had nothing to do with liberal/moderate/conservative nor with any perceived bias along those lines....

One more time:
Is a sample of 20% R an acurate representation of America or is it, as most intellectually honest individuals would claim, an undersampling?

Two choices: Accurate or undersampled.

If you could just answer with one of the words above that would be great...

I don't know because I don't know the correct number and neither do you.

Now you tell me, what is wrong with the liberal/moderate/conservative mix?

 

[Murf76]

Next things next... the poll only presents 20% of the sampling as Republican.... and we ALL KNOW there are more Republicans in the general population.

Actually we do not - 21% self-report as Republicans in the latest poll I saw.

Where'd you see that?... MSNBC???

Frankly, only pollsters who go to great pains to get accurate data can be trusted. And even then, only so far. Conservatives aren't all self-identifying as Republican just now. They're angry. You can go to any conservative blog and see for yourself. They don't like the Democrat-lite RINOS we've been seeing.

So, all these people who want to believe that there's no Republican opposition out there and that a liberal- biased news organization would never lead them by the nose are in for a shock come 2010. What do they REALLY think is gonna happen when the young folk realize they're losing up to 10% of their income for more coverage than they're ever likely use in order to subsidize the old folks because some fat-cat in Washington dictated that it'd be so?

It's all philosophical until they come for your wallet, right?



And you DO realize that you're arguing in support of a bold-faced media lie, don't you?... Nodoginnafight?
The headline doesn't match the poll question.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is using a sample of only 20% R a realistic representation of America's political leaning?

Is 38% Conservative?

Would it make you happier if they threw out a third of the conservative independents and replaced them with conservative Republicans, while maintaining the 38 to 23 conservative vs liberal numbers?

 

[Dr.House]

Is using a sample of only 20% R a realistic representation of America's political leaning?

Is 38% Conservative?

Would it make you happier if they threw out a third of the conservative independents and replaced them with conservative Republicans, while maintaining the 38 to 23 conservative vs liberal numbers?

Is using a sample of only 20% R a realistic representation of America's political leaning?

 

[Dr.House]

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

My question had nothing to do with liberal/moderate/conservative nor with any perceived bias along those lines....

One more time:
Is a sample of 20% R an acurate representation of America or is it, as most intellectually honest individuals would claim, an undersampling?

Two choices: Accurate or undersampled.

If you could just answer with one of the words above that would be great...

I don't know because I don't know the correct number and neither do you.

Well, we certainly know that more than 20% vote R each year, don't we?


Come on, you're being a fucking idiot for the sake of being a fucking idiot now...

 

[saveliberty]

Liberal - 23%

Moderate - 36%

Conservative - 38%

...that's from the poll. What's wrong with those numbers??

You didn't answer my question... You spun the poll...
Care to try again?

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

The sample size was BIGGER than the number of conservatives that actually voted? Not likely. Regardless, it has nothing to do with an ABC poll that shows 5% LESS support for a public option.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Well, we certainly know that more than 20% vote R each year, don't we?

There is polling evidence that says 21% report themselves as Republican. So why should a pollster use more than 21% of people who report themselves as Republicans. Because many self identified independents will actually vote Republican? Makes no sense to me.