57% of Americans Support a Public Option

[Dr.House]

Damn! He pussied out.

You didn't answer my question, assbag - why should I answer yours?

I did answer. I said I didn't know because I don't know the correct number.

Carbs....

Poor misguided fool...

The correct answer to my question is that it was undersampled... Sorry... Thanks for playing... Johnny, tell him what he's won...

This would be obvious to any non-hack, but your decision to dance around the answer only shows how truly bogus you are... You can't even answer a straight question when asked... Spinning it to "conservative" only brings the poll into further question regading the wording of the questions themself... Explaining this to your simple mind would take too long - time on this earth I could never recover - so you'll just have to go away thinking that only 20% of America is registered Republican...

You remain an idiot wherever you post... Laughing at you here will bring me great joy... Thanks for coming here to share the insights into your simple mind...

 

[NYcarbineer]

You didn't answer my question, assbag - why should I answer yours?

I did answer. I said I didn't know because I don't know the correct number.

Carbs....

Poor misguided fool...

The correct answer to my question is that it was undersampled... Sorry... Thanks for playing... Johnny, tell him what he's won...

This would be obvious to any non-hack, but your decision to dance around the answer only shows how truly bogus you are... You can't even answer a straight question when asked... Spinning it to "conservative" only brings the poll into further question regading the wording of the questions themself... Explaining this to your simple mind would take too long - time on this earth I could never recover - so you'll just have to go away thinking that only 20% of America is registered Republican...

You remain an idiot wherever you post... Laughing at you here will bring me great joy... Thanks for coming here to share the insights into your simple mind...

Did they undersample conservatives? Why can't you answer that? Cowardice? The inability to admit that the liberal/moderate/conservative ratio in the poll is right on the money?

They also undersampled Democrats according to your logic. Why didn't you mention that?

lol

 

[Murf76]

I read your tediously long post. It's a classic example of someone trying to manufacture flaws in a poll simply because they didn't like the RESULTS of the poll.

Again, is 38% to 23% an unfair mix of conservatives and liberals? If so, what should the number be?

Pathetic. You really ARE simple, aren't ya?
You think you're on to some big point here... but the fact of the matter is that the poll question itself was a nebulous pile of shit.

So... and this is the LAST time I'm going to respond to your pitiful bleating, btw.... let's take a more "tedious" look at the question:

Did the pollster ask these "random adults", people they probably called up out of the phone book...
Are you a fiscal conservative?
Are you a social conservative?
Are you a Constitutional conservative?
Are you a cultural conservative?
Neoconservative?
Paleoconservative?
Eco-conservative?
Are you a classical liberal?
Are you a modern liberal?
Are you a progressive liberal?
An economic liberal?
A socialist?
Are you a right-leaning independant?
A left-leaning independent?
A Libertarian-leaning independent?

I could go on... but the point is made. Yes. Conservativism is growing and more people self-identify as "conservative" than as "liberal". But... all these terms are ill-defined in general public awareness, because they are finely nuanced. Almost anyone could fit into two or more of those categories. So, if you're for national security, but also for social spending, wtf are you then?.. a conservative? or a liberal?

It was a stupid poll question. And your investment in it doesn't reflect well on your political acuity.


Oh, and btw... don't think for a minute that some of these pollsters don't dump calls when they fail to get the "randomization" they're looking for. My own mother, just a couple of weeks ago, had a pollster politely hang up on her as soon as she identified herself as a Republican. It was not the first time either.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I read your tediously long post. It's a classic example of someone trying to manufacture flaws in a poll simply because they didn't like the RESULTS of the poll.

Again, is 38% to 23% an unfair mix of conservatives and liberals? If so, what should the number be?

Pathetic. You really ARE simple, aren't ya?
You think you're on to some big point here... but the fact of the matter is that the poll question itself was a nebulous pile of shit.

So... and this is the LAST time I'm going to respond to your pitiful bleating, btw.... let's take a more "tedious" look at the question:

Did the pollster ask these "random adults", people they probably called up out of the phone book...
Are you a fiscal conservative?
Are you a social conservative?
Are you a Constitutional conservative?
Are you a cultural conservative?
Neoconservative?
Paleoconservative?
Eco-conservative?
Are you a classical liberal?
Are you a modern liberal?
Are you a progressive liberal?
An economic liberal?
A socialist?
Are you a right-leaning independant?
A left-leaning independent?
A Libertarian-leaning independent?

I could go on... but the point is made. Yes. Conservativism is growing and more people self-identify as "conservative" than as "liberal". But... all these terms are ill-defined in general public awareness, because they are finely nuanced. Almost anyone could fit into two or more of those categories. So, if you're for national security, but also for social spending, wtf are you then?.. a conservative? or a liberal?

It was a stupid poll question. And your investment in it doesn't reflect well on your political acuity.


Oh, and btw... don't think for a minute that some of these pollsters don't dump calls when they fail to get the "randomization" they're looking for. My own mother, just a couple of weeks ago, had a pollster politely hang up on her as soon as she identified herself as a Republican. It was not the first time either.

What a crock of jibberish. Didn't you complain that the poll didn't have enough Republicans? Why would they short the numbers of Republicans in the survey? For agenda reasons?

If that were the case, why would they slightly overload the survey with CONSERVATIVES? if they were stacking the deck in a pro-Obama fashion?

 

[nodoginnafight]

They didn't undersample conservatives OR Republicans no matter who would like to pretend they did.
Latest poll indicates 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans - isn't that EXACTLY the sampling breakdown as well?

Trying to pretend "everybody knows" something even though the evidence clearly refutes it - is simply juvenile. Why not just skip straight to the vulgar namecalling - it carries about the same amount of credibility?

 

[Murf76]

What a crock of jibberish. Didn't you complain that the poll didn't have enough Republicans? Why would they short the numbers of Republicans in the survey? For agenda reasons?

Um... .... .... Duh!
Now you're catching on.

If that were the case, why would they slightly overload the survey with CONSERVATIVES? if they were stacking the deck in a pro-Obama fashion?

{sigh}... just when I thought we were making progress.

"Republican" and "Democrat" have concrete meanings when applied to the American political system. It's not a confusing question. Even a "random" sampling you'd get out of a phone book would be able to say if they're Republican or Democrat. Not so clear are terms like "conservative" or "liberal", which can be highly nuanced in meaning.

In the example above... what would you call someone who's for strong national security AND social programs spending? He might insist he's a "compassionate conservative". I'd call him a tax and spend lib though. So, in a poll, his data is meaningless. It's not consistent with his ideology.

And THAT really is the last time I'm answering the SAME QUESTION. It's boring. And I have other shit to do today.

 

[Murf76]

They didn't undersample conservatives OR Republicans no matter who would like to pretend they did.
Latest poll indicates 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans - isn't that EXACTLY the sampling breakdown as well?

Trying to pretend "everybody knows" something even though the evidence clearly refutes it - is simply juvenile. Why not just skip straight to the vulgar namecalling - it carries about the same amount of credibility?

Who's poll said 20% again? ...wasn't it the same eggheads who published the bogus-ass poll under discussion??? Washington Post / ABC.

Rasmussen disagrees, putting Republicans at 32.1 and Democrats at 37.5. Then they slop the leftovers, 30.4, into a slush-pile of Independents. But it's not like Independents don't have opinions too. Gallup breaks down the "leaners" and according to them, there's only a 6 point difference. This would be a similar margin as the one we see at Rasmussen before the leaners are sorted, and less than HALF the 13% margin WaPo/ABC is claiming.

September 30, 2009
More Independents Lean GOP; Party Gap Smallest Since '05
Democratic advantage on leaned party ID is 48% to 42%
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- In the third quarter of this year, 48% of Americans identified politically as Democrats or said they were independent but leaned to the Democratic Party. At the same time, 42% identified as Republicans or as independents who leaned Republican. That six-point spread in leaned party affiliation is the smallest Gallup has measured since 2005.

Party ID and Leaning, Quarterly Averages, 2005-2009

These results are based on an average of five Gallup and USA Today/Gallup polls conducted in the third quarter of 2009, encompassing interviews with more than 5,000 U.S. adults. Gallup's Daily tracking survey -- established in 2008 -- has shown a similar narrowing of the party support gap in recent months.

(cont....)
More Independents Lean GOP; Party Gap Smallest Since '05

Oh... and once more, let us revisit WaPo's blatant dishonesty from the off.

Here’s the poll question…
"8. Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans?"

And here’s the headline at WaPo…
Public Option Gains Support
CLEAR MAJORITY NOW BACKS PLAN

So, no... they aren't exactly the most trustworthy source considering that they didn't even get past the headline before they chose to lie.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So who did have the most accurate poll for the Presidential election in 2008 NYcarbineer?

1. It isn't relevant 2. It wasn't Rasmussen, contrary to rightwing mythology.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So who did have the most accurate poll for the Presidential election in 2008 NYcarbineer?

1. It isn't relevant 2. It wasn't Rasmussen, contrary to rightwing mythology.

1) It is relevant as you are claiming a Poll to be the Absolute truth on people's opinions about a Public Option that is intended by its implimenters to become Socialized Single Payer Health care.

2) Who was it, i dont doubt it wasn't rasmussen but you appear to know who it was and i'd like to know too.


P.S. Can someone give me a for even commenting in this crazy thread

 

[NYcarbineer]

["Republican" and "Democrat" have concrete meanings when applied to the American political system. It's not a confusing question. .

You're talking nonsense. You think a NY moderate Republican is no different than an Alabama conservative Republican?

You listed all those supposed variants of Conservative. You don't think you can find the same variants within the Republican party?

You think Olympia Snowe is no different than Sarah Palin?

 

[NYcarbineer]

So who did have the most accurate poll for the Presidential election in 2008 NYcarbineer?

1. It isn't relevant 2. It wasn't Rasmussen, contrary to rightwing mythology.

1) It is relevant as you are claiming a Poll to be the Absolute truth on people's opinions about a Public Option that is intended by its implimenters to become Socialized Single Payer Health care.

2) Who was it, i dont doubt it wasn't rasmussen but you appear to know who it was and i'd like to know too.


P.S. Can someone give me a for even commenting in this crazy thread

I made no such claim.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So who did have the most accurate poll for the Presidential election in 2008 NYcarbineer?

1. It isn't relevant 2. It wasn't Rasmussen, contrary to rightwing mythology.

1) It is relevant as you are claiming a Poll to be the Absolute truth on people's opinions about a Public Option that is intended by its implimenters to become Socialized Single Payer Health care.

2) Who was it, i dont doubt it wasn't rasmussen but you appear to know who it was and i'd like to know too.


P.S. Can someone give me a for even commenting in this crazy thread

Why aren't you on the people who are claiming the poll is false?

 

[saveliberty]

Plymco_Pilgrim, here you go. Only cause you asked though.

Rasmussen and Pew tied.

http://politicalvindication.com/?p=2854

Anyone other than NYcarbineer surprised? Anyone?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Plymco_Pilgrim, here you go. Only cause you asked though.

Rasmussen and Pew tied.

Most Accurate Pollsters in 2008 election | Political Vindication

Anyone other than NYcarbineer surprised? Anyone?

Cite that study, and I'll show you why it's wrong.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

1. It isn't relevant 2. It wasn't Rasmussen, contrary to rightwing mythology.

1) It is relevant as you are claiming a Poll to be the Absolute truth on people's opinions about a Public Option that is intended by its implimenters to become Socialized Single Payer Health care.

2) Who was it, i dont doubt it wasn't rasmussen but you appear to know who it was and i'd like to know too.


P.S. Can someone give me a for even commenting in this crazy thread

I made no such claim.

You were posting in a way that created that appearance to me, my bad if you dont think it is an accurate representation of people's opinion on the public option.

I'm not going after other people because I already showed you polls that contradict this poll. I dont think that polls, by themselves, are accurate indicators of anything.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Plymco_Pilgrim, here you go. Only cause you asked though.

Rasmussen and Pew tied.

Most Accurate Pollsters in 2008 election | Political Vindication

Anyone other than NYcarbineer surprised? Anyone?

TY Rep coming your way.

Anyone know what news outlet was said to have the most balanced coverage of the 2008 election?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Plymco_Pilgrim, here you go. Only cause you asked though.

Rasmussen and Pew tied.

Most Accurate Pollsters in 2008 election | Political Vindication

Anyone other than NYcarbineer surprised? Anyone?

Only if you leave out the polls that beat them - like ipsos/mcclatchy, CNN, etc ....

Get the WHOLE story
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

Rassmusen predicted a spread of 6.0, the following pollsters were more accurate in predicting the eventual 7.3 spread: IDB/TIPP, Fox news, NBC News/Wall Street Journal, Ipsos McClatchy, CNN Opinion Research, and Gallup Traditional.

In addition Ipsos McClatchy and Cnn Opinion Research were also more accurate in predicting the actual percentages.

 

[saveliberty]

Plymco_Pilgrim, here you go. Only cause you asked though.

Rasmussen and Pew tied.

Most Accurate Pollsters in 2008 election | Political Vindication

Anyone other than NYcarbineer surprised? Anyone?

Only if you leave out the polls that beat them - like ipsos/mcclatchy, CNN, etc ....

Get the WHOLE story
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 National Head-to-Head Polls

The ones you mentioned tied for...eighth. They're on the list.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Plymco_Pilgrim, here you go. Only cause you asked though.

Rasmussen and Pew tied.

Most Accurate Pollsters in 2008 election | Political Vindication

Anyone other than NYcarbineer surprised? Anyone?

You need to stop believing everything the wingnut propaganda machine tells you.

The study you cited used an ESTIMATED 6.15 margin of victory for Barack Obama.

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

Right there plain as day in the 1st paragraph. The ACTUAL margin of victory for Obama was 7.3 points.

The study is fatally flawed, and WRONG. Again, stop believing everything the wingnuts tell you.

 

[Murf76]

Anyone know what news outlet was said to have the most balanced coverage of the 2008 election?

Fox news.