57% of Americans Support a Public Option

[saveliberty]

I have not talked with A SINGLE PERSON yet who wants the government in the health care business. Let's review the article.

Independents and senior citizens, two groups crucial to the debate, have warmed to the idea of a public option, and are particularly supportive if it would be administered by the states and limited to those without access to affordable private coverage.

Seniors are supportive? They already have a plan. How does that make them "crucial" to the debate? Note the definition of public option here, adminstered by the states and limited to those without access to affordable coverage. Sounds great we should limit the number of people who can enroll to 30% of the population.

But in a sign of the fragile coalition politics that influence the negotiations in Congress, Obama's approval ratings on health-care reform are slipping among his fellow Democrats even as they are solidifying among independents and seniors. Among Democrats, strong approval of his handling of the issue has dropped 15 percentage points since mid-September.

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These numbers underscore the challenges ahead for the president and Democratic leaders in Congress as they attempt to maintain support among liberals and moderates in their own party while continuing to win over at least a few Republican lawmakers.

Overall, 45 percent of Americans favor the broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress, while 48 percent are opposed, about the same division that existed in August, at the height of angry town hall meetings over health-care reform. Seven in 10 Democrats back the plan, while almost nine in 10 Republicans oppose it. Independents divide 52 percent against, 42 percent in favor of the legislation.

Sounds like the early numbers we heard. So how does that translate to higher poll points?

There are also deep splits in the new poll over whether the proposed changes would go too far or not far enough in expanding coverage and controlling costs. Twice as many see the plan as leaning toward too much government involvement, but since last month there has been a nine-point increase in the number who say government should be more involved.

This keeps getting better and better. Did you read this before you decided to use it? lol

On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)

Okay, so in June ABC said 62% when other polls said 52%? Now ABC says the number is 57%. Is my math rusty, or does that mean support is DOWN 5%?

This part in particular:

On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)

Okay, so in June ABC said 62% when other polls said 52%? Now ABC says the number is 57%. Is my math rusty, or does that mean support is DOWN 5%?[/QUOTE]

Your CBS poll has no bearing on the June polls. If you want to compare it to the ABC current poll it shows no change.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you have evidence that the poll cited in the OP is skewed?

Read for comprehension, dude. I already posted some links.

You posted some propaganda from townhall.com.

And Rasmussen did not have the best prediction of the 2008 election. That is a myth.

 

[saveliberty]

So who did have the most accurate poll for the Presidential election in 2008 NYcarbineer?

 

[Vel]

My guess is that this is where the poll sample came from:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGeAXCLT2pw]YouTube - Obama Causes Welfare Chaos In Detroit[/ame]

 

[nodoginnafight]

So who did have the most accurate poll for the Presidential election in 2008 NYcarbineer?

Ipsos/McClatchy and CNN Opinion Research

 

[Colonel Valerio]

I have not talked with A SINGLE PERSON yet who wants the government in the health care business. Let's review the article.


I want the government in the healthcare business!!!

 

[Dr.House]

Is using a sample of only 20% R a realistic representation of America's political leaning?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you have evidence that the poll cited in the OP is skewed?

Ah, there's Carbinier the Poll Spinner....


Even YOU have to admit that using 20% R is quite a bit undersampled... Well, if you wanted to be intelletually honest you would...

I'm not holding my breath on it, though...


Please... Spin away...

Liberal - 23%

Moderate - 36%

Conservative - 38%


...that's from the poll. What's wrong with those numbers??

 

[Murf76]

A recent CBS/NY Times poll showed 62% support public option

Poll: Congress Gets Low Health Care Grade - CBS News

Health Care Policies

Much of the public remains unconvinced that the reform proposals would benefit them personally - just 18 percent think they would. In fact, 31 percent believe reforms would hurt them and another 45 percent think they would have no effect.

Republicans (5 percent), seniors (7 percent) and those with insurance (14 percent) are some of the least likely groups to say they would be helped by the current reform proposals. Democrats (26 percent) and those earning less than $50,000 (25 percent) are most likely to say they would be helped.

The much-debated "public option" -- a government-run insurance plan -- still has the support of 62 percent of the public.

When asked to choose between providing coverage to the uninsured and keeping down costs as the more serious problem right now, 59 percent of Americans choose expanding coverage while 35 percent select keeping costs down.

This poll also asked Americans about the state of the economy: 84 percent say the economy is in bad shape, and just 16 percent say it is good. The unemployment rate reached a 26-year high last month, and the economy lost more jobs in September than anticipated.

Americans' outlook for the national economy has not changed since last month; the good news may be that most don't think it's getting worse. Just under a third think it is getting better, and 18 percent say it is getting worse. About half think it is staying the same.

The last two CBS polls only sampled 22% of Republicans in " a random sample of adults nationwide".

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Honestly, I don't know why you characters work so hard to push these bogus poll numbers. But, by all means, DO keep up the good work.

Democrats shoving unpopular legislation down the unwilling throats of voting Americans can only result in a swift change of our pathetically misguided Congress.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

57% of American support a public option...yet nearly 50% REJECT the healthcare reform package as it stands today.

What does that say? It says America doesn't know what "public option" is.

 

[Dr.House]

Do you have evidence that the poll cited in the OP is skewed?

Ah, there's Carbinier the Poll Spinner....


Even YOU have to admit that using 20% R is quite a bit undersampled... Well, if you wanted to be intelletually honest you would...

I'm not holding my breath on it, though...


Please... Spin away...

Liberal - 23%

Moderate - 36%

Conservative - 38%


...that's from the poll. What's wrong with those numbers??

You didn't answer my question... You spun the poll...

Care to try again?

 

[nodoginnafight]

57% of American support a public option...yet nearly 50% REJECT the healthcare reform package as it stands today.

What does that say? It says America doesn't know what "public option" is.

It COULD be saying that they are many who reject the current proposal because it does not include a public option.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

washingtonpost.com

People are still unsure on this particular package, but the general will seems pretty clear.

It all depends on which polling data you use.

Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports™ see that poll shows that 54% oppose the new plan that includes a public option. And considering the Obama adminstration said their 53% of the vote victory was an overwhelming victory I have to say this is overwhelming dissaproval of the new plan.

Plus when Americans find out the real truth, as stated by the democrats who support it, the public option containing bill will continue to lose support. This truth as stated by those who support the bill is that the public option is the gateway to Government Run Single Payer Health CARE.


Many democrats, including those in Obama's administration agree
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndStT6c93rc]YouTube - Proof Positive the Public Option Will Lead to Single Payer[/ame]

My own democrat congressman also agrees
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98]YouTube - Single Payer Action Confronts Barney Frank[/ame]


And so does President Obama


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk]YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance[/ame]

 

[nodoginnafight]

Even YOU have to admit that using 20% R is quite a bit undersampled... Well, if you wanted to be intelletually honest you would...

Only 21% of Americans say they are Republicans in the last poll I saw - so I wouldn't consider "quite a bit undersampled" to be an accurate statement.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ah, there's Carbinier the Poll Spinner....


Even YOU have to admit that using 20% R is quite a bit undersampled... Well, if you wanted to be intelletually honest you would...

I'm not holding my breath on it, though...


Please... Spin away...

Liberal - 23%

Moderate - 36%

Conservative - 38%


...that's from the poll. What's wrong with those numbers??

You didn't answer my question... You spun the poll...

Care to try again?

I didn't spin anything. I asked if there was evidence that the poll was skewed. Based on those liberal/moderate/conservative identifications, which actually sample more conservatives than voted in the 2008 election, I say there was no skewing whatsoever.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Even YOU have to admit that using 20% R is quite a bit undersampled... Well, if you wanted to be intelletually honest you would...

Only 21% of Americans say they are Republicans in the last poll I saw - so I wouldn't consider "quite a bit undersampled" to be an accurate statement.

The poll has 38% CONSERVATIVES vs. 23% liberals. There is NO leftward bias there whatsoever.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Even YOU have to admit that using 20% R is quite a bit undersampled... Well, if you wanted to be intelletually honest you would...

Only 21% of Americans say they are Republicans in the last poll I saw - so I wouldn't consider "quite a bit undersampled" to be an accurate statement.

The poll has 38% CONSERVATIVES vs. 23% liberals. There is NO leftward bias there whatsoever.

It doesn't appear to me to show any signs of leftward bias either.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Only 21% of Americans say they are Republicans in the last poll I saw - so I wouldn't consider "quite a bit undersampled" to be an accurate statement.

The poll has 38% CONSERVATIVES vs. 23% liberals. There is NO leftward bias there whatsoever.

It doesn't appear to me to show any signs of leftward bias either.

They obviously included a large number of right-leaning independents, which makes perfect sense given how often nowadays you hear conservatives expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican party.

 

[mdn2000]

Polls are bullshit and those who quote them are spewing second hand bullshit.

 

[Freedomlover]

This poll was done by the Washington Post and ABC. How can you believe anything that comes from them since they are so far in the tank for Obama and Dems generally that they need scuba equipment to be able to breathe. They are no better than the NY Times who are laying off 8% of their newsoom employees because of decreases in their readership. Rasmussen and other independent polls show just the opposite than the WP/ABC poll. I trust them more than the statist rags that are out there trying to have Obamacare shoved down our throats. I am being forced to go on Medicare next year, which I don't really want to do, but have no choice. I am also adamently opposed to Obamacare because my healthcare information is absolutley none of the government's business. Too bad I can't keep my private insurance!