47% pay no income tax - The GOP BUILT THAT

[Navy1960]

Forgive me but this 47% of 49% number is nonsense, it represents those who pay no inicome tax as a result of not having enough income to pay income taxes on a given years return, it does not mean thoese people do not pay Federal taxes, in fact 82% of Americans pay payroll taxes and those same 40 plus precent of people that are talked about in the TPC study pay payroll, state, local, and federal excise taxes, as an example each time they go and put gas in the tank of their cars.

■TPC estimates show that 61 percent of those that owed no federal income tax in a given year are working households.[9] These people do pay payroll taxes as well as federal excise taxes, and, as noted, state and local taxes. Most of these working households also pay federal income tax in other years, when their incomes are higher — which can be seen by looking at the low-income working households that receive the Earned Income Tax Credit

These figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[5] In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.

Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The point is when some people toss around this 40 plus percent number while it's true that it reflects a number for those who pay no imcome taxes in a given years return, it does not reflect taxes as a whole and as such the statement that half the nation is not doing their fair share is utter nonsense.

 

[DiamondDave]

We also have to keep in mind that there is a difference between income tax and payroll tax - I believe only 14% of Americans pay neither?

And that is 14% too much

Possibly...but keep in mind that those 14% include the mentally ill, physically handicapped and retired people, and I dare say it is the same around the developed world.

The ONLY time you should be paying zero or 'neither' is if you have zero income... period

 

[GreatDay]

don't forget how much Romney himself helped this along by sending every job he could overseas if it saved a dime an hour, then he laughs at people for being poor.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Well look where a majority of those who don'y pay taxes live?

Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?

Mitt Romney says citizens who don't pay income tax will never vote for him. But eight of the top 10 states with the highest number of nonpayers are red states.

Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes? - David A. Graham - The Atlantic

States don't vote; people do. You're engaging in an ecological fallacy where you assume that because something is true on a state level basis it much also be true at the individual level. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of that correlation has to do with racial demographics. Look at where those states are located. They're mostly in the South. The South has the highest concentration of minorities, who are more likely to not pay any income taxes than are non-minorities.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did I agree with those actions to the tax code by government/politicians no matter the party affiliation?? Nope... Rep or Dem, I disagree with those actions... that being said, it is more likely a conservative will work to get that ~49% back on the income tax paying track, than it is a liberal

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

No, conservatives want the 47% to pay their "fair share" instead of asking the 53% to pay even more than they are.

So all those self-described conservatives in Congress and other legislatures who've taken the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes,

who are they lying to?

They say they don't ever want to raise taxes.

You say what they really want is to raise taxes on low income Americans.

Which is it?

 

[miami_thomas]

Its all part of the long term plan to allow the rich to own everything and have the little guy pay for all government

Without big government that plan wont work. You are for big governmnet so you must be for that plan.

 

[edthecynic]

Did I agree with those actions to the tax code by government/politicians no matter the party affiliation?? Nope... Rep or Dem, I disagree with those actions... that being said, it is more likely a conservative will work to get that ~49% back on the income tax paying track, than it is a liberal

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

No, conservatives want the 47% to pay their "fair share" instead of asking the 53% to pay even more than they are.

So CON$ like Reagan wanted the poor to pay their fair share so they cut their income taxes.

As has been pointed out, Reagan and Bush are the ones who created the half that does not pay income taxes. And don't try to pass them off as Liberals!

 

[Warrior102]

don't forget how much Romney himself helped this along by sending every job he could overseas if it saved a dime an hour, then he laughs at people for being poor.

Call United Airlines reservations, nutsack, and you'll speak to some inbred in the Philippines.

Call SIRIUS radio and you'll talk to some towel-head camel jockey in India.

Etc. Etc.

What's Obama doing about it, nutsack?

Not a fucking thing.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

A 20% flat tax, no loopholes or credits would be fair.............

And mindless bureaucrats would have to spend within those limits and balance the f@#ing budget too

Alot to ask of socialist ivy league schmucks to be sure....simple things always are

 

[Full-Auto]

don't forget how much Romney himself helped this along by sending every job he could overseas if it saved a dime an hour, then he laughs at people for being poor.

Is that your case for the stimulus dollars going overseas, or your excuse for Obama attacking several different types of business?

 

[DiamondDave]

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

No, conservatives want the 47% to pay their "fair share" instead of asking the 53% to pay even more than they are.

So all those self-described conservatives in Congress and other legislatures who've taken the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes,

who are they lying to?

They say they don't ever want to raise taxes.

You say what they really want is to raise taxes on low income Americans.

Which is it?

As stated.. it was wrong in the first place to have citizens who earn an income, no matter what size, and not paying federal income tax...

It's kinda like having to pay dues to your bowling league, and because of oversight, they were not charging or collecting from you... and then suddenly they realize the error and start charging you like everyone else.... you don't get to complain because suddenly you have to pay for your own services like everyone else

 

[miami_thomas]

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

No, conservatives want the 47% to pay their "fair share" instead of asking the 53% to pay even more than they are.

So all those self-described conservatives in Congress and other legislatures who've taken the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes,

who are they lying to?

They say they don't ever want to raise taxes.

You say what they really want is to raise taxes on low income Americans.

Which is it?

Problem is we have a bunch of spoiled citizens that think they can take everything and give nothing in return. It is hard to change that mentality. So you are saying your party promising more welfare when there is no money to pay for it is a better plan?

 

[edthecynic]

Did I agree with those actions to the tax code by government/politicians no matter the party affiliation?? Nope... Rep or Dem, I disagree with those actions... that being said, it is more likely a conservative will work to get that ~49% back on the income tax paying track, than it is a liberal

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

I am for flat taxation without exception. as it should have been all along... there is no excuse or reason why any person or any dollar should be taxed any differently, and there is no reason why any person should not be on the tax dole

Are you including unrealized capital gains dollars?

 

[Saigon]

And that is 14% too much

Possibly...but keep in mind that those 14% include the mentally ill, physically handicapped and retired people, and I dare say it is the same around the developed world.

The ONLY time you should be paying zero or 'neither' is if you have zero income... period

How much income do you think most mentally ill people have?

 

[edthecynic]

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

No, conservatives want the 47% to pay their "fair share" instead of asking the 53% to pay even more than they are.

So all those self-described conservatives in Congress and other legislatures who've taken the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes,

who are they lying to?

They say they don't ever want to raise taxes.

You say what they really want is to raise taxes on low income Americans.

Which is it?

They have always wanted to raise taxes on the low income half of Americans, they just don't call it raising taxes! They call it "BROADENING THE BASE."

 

[DiamondDave]

So you admit that CON$ervoFascists are FOR raising taxes on Americans!!!! The Right wants to raise taxes on half of America, just the poorer half.

I am for flat taxation without exception. as it should have been all along... there is no excuse or reason why any person or any dollar should be taxed any differently, and there is no reason why any person should not be on the tax dole

Are you including unrealized capital gains dollars?

Yes.. I personally believe capital gains should be taxed like any other income...

Then again, I also believe the government should be spending much less and would HOPE that any federal income tax would be no higher than what the capital gains level is anyway.... but I also understand that with the way the federal government is spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave for the first time, a higher rate may be needed while we would work on slashing government spending by cutting many things out of governmental control

 

[DiamondDave]

Possibly...but keep in mind that those 14% include the mentally ill, physically handicapped and retired people, and I dare say it is the same around the developed world.

The ONLY time you should be paying zero or 'neither' is if you have zero income... period

How much income do you think most mentally ill people have?

Roseann Barr and Michael Moore make millions

 

[DiamondDave]

No, conservatives want the 47% to pay their "fair share" instead of asking the 53% to pay even more than they are.

So all those self-described conservatives in Congress and other legislatures who've taken the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes,

who are they lying to?

They say they don't ever want to raise taxes.

You say what they really want is to raise taxes on low income Americans.

Which is it?

They have always wanted to raise taxes on the low income half of Americans, they just don't call it raising taxes! They call it "BROADENING THE BASE."

Nobody should have been exempt or not having a stake in the game, and nobody should be in that situation in the future unless they truly have not earned even $1

 

[Full-Auto]

Possibly...but keep in mind that those 14% include the mentally ill, physically handicapped and retired people, and I dare say it is the same around the developed world.

The ONLY time you should be paying zero or 'neither' is if you have zero income... period

How much income do you think most mentally ill people have?

SSI and sect 9 if lucky.............

 

[kiwiman127]

Well look where a majority of those who don't pay taxes live?

Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?

Mitt Romney says citizens who don't pay income tax will never vote for him. But eight of the top 10 states with the highest number of nonpayers are red states.

Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes? - David A. Graham - The Atlantic

States don't vote; people do. You're engaging in an ecological fallacy where you assume that because something is true on a state level basis it much also be true at the individual level. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of that correlation has to do with racial demographics. Look at where those states are located. They're mostly in the South. The South has the highest concentration of minorities, who are more likely to not pay any income taxes than are non-minorities.

According to Mitt Romney, the 47% who don't pay taxes won't vote for him anyway because they are so reliant on Obama to keep them that way.
Now considering that the national average is 47% and the states with the highest percentage of folks not paying taxes and are reliant on Obama would have to be over 50% of these states population, well using Romney logic, Mitt won't carry those Red States that are in the top 10 for people not paying taxes.