17 year old shot in Britain....where they have extreme gun control...

[2aguy]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

That was ONE shooting of ONE person

Gun crime is up 4%, knife murder is also up...changing demographics is making Britain more violent, and it was already more violent than the U.S....

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

 

[2aguy]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

That was ONE shooting of ONE person

Gun crime is up 4%, knife murder is also up...changing demographics is making Britain more violent, and it was already more violent than the U.S....

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

There were a lot more guns around as well.

And Britain had a low gun murder rate ...so obviously access to guns didn't drive the murder rate....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

That was ONE shooting of ONE person

Gun crime is up 4%, knife murder is also up...changing demographics is making Britain more violent, and it was already more violent than the U.S....

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

 

[BULLDOG]

Gun crime is up 4%, knife murder is also up...changing demographics is making Britain more violent, and it was already more violent than the U.S....

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

He usually has a cutnpaste for most of his idiocy. Perhaps he is working on it ?

 

[Andylusion]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

One person was shot? Let me know when they have one of our mass shootings with an AR15.

One was shot? We would take that.

In the minute it took me to post this 100 people were shot in America

Right, so gun violence was lower in the UK, before they had extreme gun control.

Now they do, and more people are getting shot.

Proving that gun control does not work. Period.

This is like two people going on a diet, one being 200 lbs, and the other 150 lbs. After a month, the 200 lbs person is down to 190, and the 150 person is up to 160.... and you saying "see the diet works for the skinny guy! He only weights 160 lbs!'

No. it didn't work. He only weights less, because he weighted less to start with.

Gun control in the UK has clearly and utterly failed miserably. Gun violence is UP. Not down.

Decade-high gun crime for four counties

It does not work. Your system DOES NOT WORK. PERIOD. You fail sir. Your idiotic approaches have failed at everything.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

Still waiting.

 

[BULLDOG]

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

Still waiting.

Thinking up new shit is hard.

 

[BULLDOG]

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

Still waiting.

And finding new pages to cut and paste about that new shit is even harder.

 

[2aguy]

How is our social welfare system only now creating these fatherless boys. Its pretty much the same system since the 40s when, oddly enough, there were far more fatherless chilldren than there are now.
There were a lot more guns around as well.
Your home made sociology sounds a bit like a conservative wet dream than a fact based theory.

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

Still waiting.

And finding new pages to cut and paste about that new shit is even harder.

Here you go.....

Children from broken homes 'nine times more likely to commit crimes'

Children from broken homes are nine times more likely to commit crimes than those from stable families, Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said.

-----

Seven out of 10 offenders come from broken homes, he said, adding that single parent families were more than twice as likely to live in poverty than those living with both parents.

According to the Centre for Social Justice estimates, the direct cost of family breakdown is up to £24billion.

 

[2aguy]

And more...

Crime linked to absent fathers

Having a biological father who maintained a close relationship with his son, whether or not he lived in the family home, might be crucial in preventing susceptible boys becoming criminals, research presented yesterday suggested.

But stepfathers appeared to do little to decrease the risk that a boy will turn to crime, the conference of the British Psychological Society's division of forensic psychology heard in Birmingham.

The study by the clinical psychologist Jenny Taylor looked at why a proportion of boys with all the "risk factors" associated with criminal behaviour resisted a life of crime.

Drawing on data from socially deprived areas of south London, she compared a group of "good boys", who had no criminal convictions and had caused teachers no trouble, with a group of "bad boys" at a secure unit for unmanageable adolescents, many of them persisitent offenders convicted of sexual assault, theft and stealing vehicles.

All 68 boys, aged between 12 and 16, were from working class backgrounds, had lower than average intellectual ability, had similar problems with their peers and with hyperactivity, had equally large families, and in both groups 40% suffered from dyslexia.

 

[2aguy]

And more....from NPR...you asshats should love this one....

Poverty, Dropouts, Pregnancy, Suicide: What The Numbers Say About Fatherless Kids

Dropping out of school, growing up fatherless and incarceration appear to be connected. One study you cite from 2012 titled, "The Vital Importance of Paternal Presence in Children's Lives," shows that seven out of 10 high school dropouts are fatherless.

Do school officials acknowledge that this "chain reaction" clearly gets in the way of children's academic success?

You know, I've been in this for 30 years, and when I speak to superintendents, social service people and counselors in schools, they'll easily acknowledge that at the root of kids' [academic] problems, is the lack of a relationship with their father.

suffer from obesity without the father present. They're four-times more likely to get pregnant as teenagers. Boys are more likely to act out, which is why we're more aware [of how they're affected], but if a young girl is imploding, we don' t see it

 

[Vagabond63]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

Without gun control that would happen a lot more

And how do you explain away the fact that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack...saving lives from rape, robbery and murder? This is according to the CDC.....and the Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Kinda blows a big hole in your argument...

that's bullshit-----they do not use them 1.1 million times..we've been over this before

Yes, we have....

The Centers for Disease Control in their research found that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives......

The Department of Justice in their completely separate and independent research found that number was 1.5 million....

Those are two studies out of 17......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

All of this so called "research" is basically extrapolating a limited sample subjective polling data, in other words, "they're making it up as they go along". Without scientific methods of recording and registering all firearms, and all firearms incidents, such "research" quoted above is essentially meaningless.

 

[2aguy]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

Without gun control that would happen a lot more

And how do you explain away the fact that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack...saving lives from rape, robbery and murder? This is according to the CDC.....and the Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Kinda blows a big hole in your argument...

that's bullshit-----they do not use them 1.1 million times..we've been over this before

Yes, we have....

The Centers for Disease Control in their research found that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives......

The Department of Justice in their completely separate and independent research found that number was 1.5 million....

Those are two studies out of 17......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

All of this so called "research" is basically extrapolating a limited sample subjective polling data, in other words, "they're making it up as they go along". Without scientific methods of recording and registering all firearms, and all firearms incidents, such "research" quoted above is essentially meaningless.

You are funny when you are acting like a moron......yes...the CDC and the Department of Justice are known for their fake research......

 

[Vagabond63]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

Without gun control that would happen a lot more

And how do you explain away the fact that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack...saving lives from rape, robbery and murder? This is according to the CDC.....and the Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Kinda blows a big hole in your argument...

On the extreme left of the graph is a column representing all the murders in the US. We can clearly see from this that the US is safer than the rest of the world because you have guns.

Murder is only one crime......Britain is more violent than the U.S.....

From left wing Politifact.....

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales,

If you read the article in it's entirety rather than cutting and pasting, you'll find that they state that the claim made about the Uk is mainly false. Nice try.

 

[Vagabond63]

Without gun control that would happen a lot more

And how do you explain away the fact that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack...saving lives from rape, robbery and murder? This is according to the CDC.....and the Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Kinda blows a big hole in your argument...

that's bullshit-----they do not use them 1.1 million times..we've been over this before

Yes, we have....

The Centers for Disease Control in their research found that Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives......

The Department of Justice in their completely separate and independent research found that number was 1.5 million....

Those are two studies out of 17......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

All of this so called "research" is basically extrapolating a limited sample subjective polling data, in other words, "they're making it up as they go along". Without scientific methods of recording and registering all firearms, and all firearms incidents, such "research" quoted above is essentially meaningless.

You are funny when you are acting like a moron......yes...the CDC and the Department of Justice are known for their fake research......

It's not "fake" research, it's polling a small sample and making nationwide extrapolations, basically meaningless.

 

[BULLDOG]

You had an intact social network.....and the World War delayed the ultimate breakdown of the family. We had the Great Society destroy our families beginning in the 1960s, your families have just now reached that point where all your old social norms have been rotted away by your welfare state.

You produce zero evidence to support this nuttiness. You really need to link your saloon bar prejudice to the actuality.

To be fair, I don't think anybody has ever questioned him on this part of his goofy narrative. He's always just said the out cultures were different, and that was enough. Now he has to think for an answer, and that's hard..

Still waiting.

And finding new pages to cut and paste about that new shit is even harder.

Here you go.....

Children from broken homes 'nine times more likely to commit crimes'

Children from broken homes are nine times more likely to commit crimes than those from stable families, Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said.

-----

Seven out of 10 offenders come from broken homes, he said, adding that single parent families were more than twice as likely to live in poverty than those living with both parents.

According to the Centre for Social Justice estimates, the direct cost of family breakdown is up to £24billion.

What does that have to do with the difference between US and GB cultures? You think there haven't been fatherless homes in GB?

 

[NoNukes]

You are the moron here. It makes no sense.

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

That was ONE shooting of ONE person

Gun crime is up 4%, knife murder is also up...changing demographics is making Britain more violent, and it was already more violent than the U.S....

Bullshit. Howmany mass shootings have there been this year in the US? How many in the UK? Thank you.

Moron...what part of the truth do you not understand.....? Before they banned guns they had maybe, one every 10 years.......then they had one in the 10 years after the ban....so your point is not a point it has no bearing in actual experience.....

Now....with illegal guns flooding Britain and their social welfare state creating more and more fatherless boys....you are seeing increases in violent crime.....

You are obviously the moron here. It makes no sense.

 

[NoNukes]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

One person was shot? Let me know when they have one of our mass shootings with an AR15.

One was shot? We would take that.

In the minute it took me to post this 100 people were shot in America

Right, so gun violence was lower in the UK, before they had extreme gun control.

Now they do, and more people are getting shot.

Proving that gun control does not work. Period.

This is like two people going on a diet, one being 200 lbs, and the other 150 lbs. After a month, the 200 lbs person is down to 190, and the 150 person is up to 160.... and you saying "see the diet works for the skinny guy! He only weights 160 lbs!'

No. it didn't work. He only weights less, because he weighted less to start with.

Gun control in the UK has clearly and utterly failed miserably. Gun violence is UP. Not down.

Decade-high gun crime for four counties

It does not work. Your system DOES NOT WORK. PERIOD. You fail sir. Your idiotic approaches have failed at everything.

You do not know how things might be different if they had not made the laws.

 

[Andylusion]

This is the difference between American criminals and British criminals...in Britain, the criminals tend to shoot their victims in the legs, in order to not kill them, but simply to punish or threaten them. In the U.S., our criminals kill ........ different culture, different practices....and nothing to do with guns...

Updates as teenager shot in park after gang ambush

Updates after a teenager was shot after a gang attack in a Huyton park.

The 17-year-old victim was gunned down as he walked through the park in Woolfall Heath last night.


As he turned round he was hit in the face and then shot in the leg.

A police spokeswoman said officers are carrying out searches today.

The victim with the help of a relative turned up at hospital with a gunshot wound to his thigh, which is not believed to be life threatening.

One person was shot? Let me know when they have one of our mass shootings with an AR15.

One was shot? We would take that.

In the minute it took me to post this 100 people were shot in America

Right, so gun violence was lower in the UK, before they had extreme gun control.

Now they do, and more people are getting shot.

Proving that gun control does not work. Period.

This is like two people going on a diet, one being 200 lbs, and the other 150 lbs. After a month, the 200 lbs person is down to 190, and the 150 person is up to 160.... and you saying "see the diet works for the skinny guy! He only weights 160 lbs!'

No. it didn't work. He only weights less, because he weighted less to start with.

Gun control in the UK has clearly and utterly failed miserably. Gun violence is UP. Not down.

Decade-high gun crime for four counties

It does not work. Your system DOES NOT WORK. PERIOD. You fail sir. Your idiotic approaches have failed at everything.

You do not know how things might be different if they had not made the laws.

"Guns Laws will prevent people from getting guns".

This statement is either true or false.

"Alcohol laws will prevent people from getting alcohol"

Was that true in the 1930s?

"Drug laws will prevent people from getting illegal drugs"

Is that true today?

"Guns laws will prevent people from getting guns"

Surge in knife and gun crime in England and Wales

Is that true? Yes or no?


If no.... then we should learn from that, and stop pursing idiotic policies that don't work.