2aguy
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These people are still Americans. We could eliminate all the hot spots in the UK and our figures will still be massively better than yours. You cant pick and choose your stats. All your killers are "normal" until they flip or someone takes their parking space.The UK has seen a rise in crime after 10 years of tory cost cutting. We are short of 20k police officers and support services are stretched as well.And yet we are still many times safer than the crazy US. Stop quoting debunked stats to try and make your case. It just makes adults laugh."I never said it did, but here's where I said it did".I never said it did, but I have research that does show causation to some reduction in crime...
Moron.
Again....you have nothing.......I show you research, statements from government authorities on their inability to stop illegal guns from getting onto their island nation....
And you have nothing.....
In the U.S.....our gun crime rate is not based on normal people who own and carry guns.....our gun crime rate is based in democrat party controlled cities, where the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians cut police numbers and resources....and then allow violent, repeat gun criminals out of jail on bond, or no cash bond, and out of prison with short prison sentences......
This causes our gun crime rate.......normal people carrying guns and owning guns does not increase our gun crime rate...
So the issue isn't access to guns by normal people, but the criminal justice policies of the democrat party.....
I'm not picking and choosing my stats, and you still haven't answered the questions...I get it, you can't.....what you believe about guns is not supported by truth, reality and facts....
Our killers, your killers are not "normal" in any sense of the word...they have long histories of crime and violence dating back to their teen years, with the likely cause of their behavior due to absent fathers at a young age, leading them to crime, violence and eventual poverty and prison.
We don't have people flipping over parking spaces....that is the myth you guys tell yourselves because you don't understand the actual issue...
So again......please answer these questions...
In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...
With what you believe....how do you explain that?
In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....
With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?
In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....
With what you believe, how do you explain that?
Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?
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Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....
More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.
Actual Result:
In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%
The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....
In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.
Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...