11 Trillion Gallons of Water Force Small Government Cons to Go Begging

[nuhuh]

I say come up with the money yourselves and prove your point. Can't be that hard could it? Why not close DMV offices in black districts, or cut SNAP benefits? Surely these smart people have an answer that precludes asking for help, what were they going to do if something happened before this?

"There's a peculiar irony occurring in South Carolina as the state gets hammered by historic floods and its GOP "small-government" conservatives, who fervently despise the federal government, are now begging the "big, bloated" feds for desperately needed disaster relief.

Presidential contender and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as most of the South Carolina legislative delegation, voted against the Hurricane Sandy disaster relief bill not too long ago. Of course, now that Sen. Graham's folks need help, he is pressing for the quick release of federal dollars.

When asked about why he voted against disaster relief for those affected by Hurricane Sandy, Graham suddenly developed a rare form of conveniently timed legislative amnesia.

Hopefully, the people of South Carolina won't suffer the same apathetic procrastination that first responders got when they requested help after being diagnosed with a myriad of lung ailments during the years following 9/11 in New York.

Conservative politicians seem to love heroes, but don't appear to like helping them after their heroic acts. It's reminiscent of how conservative hawks love to go to war, but don't like funding the Veteran's Administration.

Helping people in need, especially during disasters, has traditionally been seen as an appropriate and expected role for the federal government. Well, until the GOP hard-liners decided that vilifying the federal government should be the new national pastime; just as they've fought hard to gerrymander districts to ensure that they get voted into the very institution they swear they hate." Hating the federal government is 'cool' until you need help

 

[OKTexas]

Kewl, let's kill about half of the federal government and leave that money in the States, then they will have the resources to take care of things like this. Of course big government stateist like you will never go along with that.

 

[Misty]

I say come up with the money yourselves and prove your point. Can't be that hard could it? Why not close DMV offices in black districts, or cut SNAP benefits? Surely these smart people have an answer that precludes asking for help, what were they going to do if something happened before this?

"There's a peculiar irony occurring in South Carolina as the state gets hammered by historic floods and its GOP "small-government" conservatives, who fervently despise the federal government, are now begging the "big, bloated" feds for desperately needed disaster relief.

Presidential contender and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as most of the South Carolina legislative delegation, voted against the Hurricane Sandy disaster relief bill not too long ago. Of course, now that Sen. Graham's folks need help, he is pressing for the quick release of federal dollars.

When asked about why he voted against disaster relief for those affected by Hurricane Sandy, Graham suddenly developed a rare form of conveniently timed legislative amnesia.

Hopefully, the people of South Carolina won't suffer the same apathetic procrastination that first responders got when they requested help after being diagnosed with a myriad of lung ailments during the years following 9/11 in New York.

Conservative politicians seem to love heroes, but don't appear to like helping them after their heroic acts. It's reminiscent of how conservative hawks love to go to war, but don't like funding the Veteran's Administration.

Helping people in need, especially during disasters, has traditionally been seen as an appropriate and expected role for the federal government. Well, until the GOP hard-liners decided that vilifying the federal government should be the new national pastime; just as they've fought hard to gerrymander districts to ensure that they get voted into the very institution they swear they hate." Hating the federal government is 'cool' until you need help

The people there still pay taxes they have no choice in that so they deserve help with money they've paid in for centuries.

 

[nuhuh]

Kewl, let's kill about half of the federal government and leave that money in the States, then they will have the resources to take care of things like this. Of course big government stateist like you will never go along with that.

Wrong, I'm looking for a reasonable explanation why they went unprepared. Big talk, no action, is what I'm seeing and I'd like to know why Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

 

[TheOldSchool]

 

[TheOldSchool]

I say come up with the money yourselves and prove your point. Can't be that hard could it? Why not close DMV offices in black districts, or cut SNAP benefits? Surely these smart people have an answer that precludes asking for help, what were they going to do if something happened before this?

"There's a peculiar irony occurring in South Carolina as the state gets hammered by historic floods and its GOP "small-government" conservatives, who fervently despise the federal government, are now begging the "big, bloated" feds for desperately needed disaster relief.

Presidential contender and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as most of the South Carolina legislative delegation, voted against the Hurricane Sandy disaster relief bill not too long ago. Of course, now that Sen. Graham's folks need help, he is pressing for the quick release of federal dollars.

When asked about why he voted against disaster relief for those affected by Hurricane Sandy, Graham suddenly developed a rare form of conveniently timed legislative amnesia.

Hopefully, the people of South Carolina won't suffer the same apathetic procrastination that first responders got when they requested help after being diagnosed with a myriad of lung ailments during the years following 9/11 in New York.

Conservative politicians seem to love heroes, but don't appear to like helping them after their heroic acts. It's reminiscent of how conservative hawks love to go to war, but don't like funding the Veteran's Administration.

Helping people in need, especially during disasters, has traditionally been seen as an appropriate and expected role for the federal government. Well, until the GOP hard-liners decided that vilifying the federal government should be the new national pastime; just as they've fought hard to gerrymander districts to ensure that they get voted into the very institution they swear they hate." Hating the federal government is 'cool' until you need help

The people there still pay taxes they have no choice in that so they deserve help with money they've paid in for centuries.

South Carolina, like most red states, takes in more federal money than they pay out.

 

[eagle1462010]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

 

[idb]

They're already a welfare state...how much more do they need?!

 

[nuhuh]

The Sandy bill was January of 2013, so for almost three years these small government cons didn't do a single thing to prepare their state for disaster. That's what I'm getting to and I would like someone to tell me why would they refuse aid and then do nothing for three years?

 

[eagle1462010]

Democratic Selective memory syndrome. There were reasons for opposition to the bill as they stacked unnecessary spending to the bill that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SANDY...................

Sandy Recovery Office | FEMA.gov

(as of Sept. 28, 2015)


Assistance Type Amount*
Assistance to disaster survivors (Individual Assistance)

$1.4 billion

Assistance to state, local and tribal governments

(Public Assistance)

$11.4 billion

Hazard Mitigation grants

$770 million


This is FEMA sending for Sandy. Not exactly chump change spent......................yet those that bitch about it use the disaster to FUND A LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER THINGS...................and when someone says.............THAT'S BS.............they go LOOK AT THOSE GUYS.........THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP.

 

[OKTexas]

Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

So when was that done?

 

[nuhuh]

Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

So when was that done?

When they requested federal help after rejecting it three years before.

 

[Vigilante]

Apparently BILLIONS of DemocRAT PORK, attached to the Sandy bill, and responsible financial oversight by Republicans to curtail the THIEF of our money by DemocRATS, doesn't matter to the lying, fucking OP and his bullshit... Send a CLEAN BILL and all would have been taken care of..why did the Northern DemocRATS respond with a CLEAN BILL... Because that's NOT what you do when you are THIEVING DemocRATS!

 

[nuhuh]

Democratic Selective memory syndrome. There were reasons for opposition to the bill as they stacked unnecessary spending to the bill that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SANDY...................

Sandy Recovery Office | FEMA.gov

(as of Sept. 28, 2015)


Assistance Type Amount*
Assistance to disaster survivors (Individual Assistance)

$1.4 billion

Assistance to state, local and tribal governments

(Public Assistance)

$11.4 billion

Hazard Mitigation grants

$770 million


This is FEMA sending for Sandy. Not exactly chump change spent......................yet those that bitch about it use the disaster to FUND A LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER THINGS...................and when someone says.............THAT'S BS.............they go LOOK AT THOSE GUYS.........THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP.

I understand that, but they had three years to develop a disaster plan and apparently they didn't since they ran to the feds for help.

 

[eagle1462010]

Now for the typical Red State Rant.........That uses ALL FEDERAL SPENDING including Military Bases and the like and add it into the Welfare Stats and go LOOK, THEY ARE MOOCHES...................

Lying BS.

These people have been paying taxes, and WE THE PEOPLE ARE THIS COUNTRY...........not a bunch of USED CAR SALESMEN IN WASHINGTON.........
Liberals like to see the Federal Gov't as it's own Identity..............not the Representatives of the people and THE STATES................These people pay into the system and deserve to be given some of it back when disaster strikes.

Don't like it..............Then lower taxes and let the states and people of the states donate to their own relief programs then. When they help pay for FEMA, then FEMA is obligated to help the taxpayers who pay for their existence.

 

[OKTexas]

Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

So when was that done?

When they requested federal help after rejecting it three years before.

They rejected a bill packed with pork, when most of it was removed they supported funding. NEXT.

 

[nuhuh]

Apparently BILLIONS of DemocRAT PORK, attached to the Sandy bill, and responsible financial oversight by Republicans to curtail the THIEF of our money by DemocRATS, doesn't matter to the lying, fucking OP and his bullshit... Send a CLEAN BILL and all would have been taken care of..why did the Northern DemocRATS respond with a CLEAN BILL... Because that's NOT what you do when you are THIEVING DemocRATS!

So what happened to your own solution? Act like temper tantrum babies and tell the feds to go pound sand. Then three years later, get on your knees begging for help? You guys don't stand on principle much.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Sandy bill was January of 2013, so for almost three years these small government cons didn't do a single thing to prepare their state for disaster. That's what I'm getting to and I would like someone to tell me why would they refuse aid and then do nothing for three years?

Fine then. You want the States to fend for themselves...............Then make the Federal Gov't TINY...............and they will fend for themselves instead of sending it to Washington.

 

[eagle1462010]

Apparently BILLIONS of DemocRAT PORK, attached to the Sandy bill, and responsible financial oversight by Republicans to curtail the THIEF of our money by DemocRATS, doesn't matter to the lying, fucking OP and his bullshit... Send a CLEAN BILL and all would have been taken care of..why did the Northern DemocRATS respond with a CLEAN BILL... Because that's NOT what you do when you are THIEVING DemocRATS!

So what happened to your own solution? Act like temper tantrum babies and tell the feds to go pound sand. Then three years later, get on your knees begging for help? You guys don't stand on principle much.

 

[edthecynic]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might be less damaging and expensive.