11 Facts About Obamacare That No Conservative Knows About, Cares About, Or Will Read

[Stephanie]

Did you not read about the $4000 in tax credits to help you afford health care coverage?

All tax credits mean is someone else is going to foot your bills which is what I thought you liberals were against?

Well... I guess if we are footing the bills for a douche canoe like you, we should for everyone. Oh, I forgot, you don't give a shit if other people are footing YOUR bills, it's everyone else you hats.

neg rep for you being a douche. all she did was express her opinion
anyone care to join?

 

[Synthaholic]

Oh, hey, Conservative: the above isn't whining. It's calling The T out for being a massive pussy and neg-repping me without actually debating the points of the post/linked article...kind of like what you did, you big fucking bitch of a puss.

He's constantly butthurt because he never wins an argument around here.

Who, Conservative or The T? They both seem to be suffering from the same hyper-inflated ego coupled with complete intellectual vacancy.

I was talking about Conservative.

The T makes no attempt to win arguments because he makes no attempt to debate. He just inserts the word 'statist' in each post and thinks it makes him look like he isn't a retard.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

He's constantly butthurt because he never wins an argument around here.

Who, Conservative or The T? They both seem to be suffering from the same hyper-inflated ego coupled with complete intellectual vacancy.

I was talking about Conservative.

The T makes no attempt to win arguments because he makes no attempt to debate. He just inserts the word 'statist' in each post and thinks it makes him look like he isn't a retard.

Ha ha! You just described nearly every single Conservative on this board.

 

[Stephanie]

How many Government run programs work as advertised or in a cost effective manner and what makes you think Obamacare will be different?

You live in Texas, which has the largest number of uninsured citizens in the country, per capita.

So leaving this up to the states is not an option.

well too bad for you Obama hasn't got his own personal army to FORCE people or states to bow down to his "visions"

 

[Dot Com]

Lighten up Steph. Time to move on. The "conservative" Supreme Court has spoken. It was and still is the law. You wanna be a law breaker

 

[ConservaDerrps]

How many Government run programs work as advertised or in a cost effective manner and what makes you think Obamacare will be different?

You live in Texas, which has the largest number of uninsured citizens in the country, per capita.

So leaving this up to the states is not an option.

well too bad for you Obama hasn't got his own personal army to FORCE people or states to bow down to his "visions"

Hey Dummy, if the states don't set up the insurance exchanges, the Feds will just do it for them.

You all really do need to do some research on this. Tea Baggers are really not very smart, as it turns out. Or at least not very informed.

 

[Stephanie]

Lighten up Steph. Time to move on. The "conservative" Supreme Court has spoken. It was and still is the law. You wanna be a law breaker

Listen miss Dottie, this ain't over till the fat lady sings. call you Rep and ask they work on REPEALING this ugly over reach by your Federal Guberment...K

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

I love the GOP alternative: NOTHING.


LMAO!!!

 

[BDBoop]

Hey The T, instead of neg-repping me with "WRONG" as the comment, why don't you come at it like a man and actually debate all these facts. Are you telling me these facts aren't facts? Or do they just completely fly in the face of all the propaganda you swallowed like a chicken shit?

I'd love to have an honest discussion over health care. Last great one I had was with Vaard over at Hannity.
Two awesome, your bang for your buck systems out there are the French and the Swiss.

No one wants to talk on your side. It's your side or the highway. And the Obamacare bill is a dogs breakfast and completely unwieldy.

Excuse me? Those are two Liberal countries, and every time Liberals talk about wanting exactly that type of system, Rightwingers cry "Socialism"!!1!1!

You have a lot of nerve posting that.

Blame the NyQuil.

 

[Staidhup]

By forcing people that elect not to buy it to actually buy it, it drives down the cost of health insurance. That's sort of the whole point.

You don't understand the first thing about economics, do you? If the idea is to reduce the cost of health care the last thing you want to do is give people a way to avoid paying for health care. Buying insurance is a way to avoid paying for health by passing the cost of said care onto another party. This will increase the demand for health care, but not increase the supply of health care providers. That will drive costs up, not down.



Actually, it doesn't. What this will do is reduce the costs for the small group of people that use a high amount of health care. Insurance companies compensate for this by raising the price for everyone else. Most people actually end up paying more. I actually explained all of this a couple of years ago right here on this board, you should take the time to look it up and see where you are making your mistakes.



How would a single payer system reduce the cost of health care? Did a single payer system reduce the costs of wars at some point and I missed the memo?

The problem here is not that my asshole puckers when you mention stupid ideas, it doesn't. The problem is that the idea is stupid.



It is a tax, I have a Supreme Court decision that backs me up, all you have is capital letters and the claim that the Supreme Court is run by Fox.



No, because it doesn't, it just means they pay a little but less money to the government.



I don't have a side, this is just me. That said, my fracking side opposed the mandate in the first place because we realized way back then that the mandate is not a way to reduce health care costs.

By the way, what the Heritage Foundation proposed was coverage for catastrophic illness or injury, not a requirement that everyone buy insurance that covers routine medical care. They also proposed that everyone would get a credit to purchase health insurance of some type, and that refusal to purchase said insurance would mean a loss of that credit. That is about as far from the mandate we have today as it is possible to get.

Not to mention that the mandate was not actually original to them, they just stole the idea.



Is it discrimination to charge a person who has an accident every week more for his car insurance?

Of course not, it is common sense.

Having a bunch of people on your side doesn't make you right, it just makes them wrong.



Not me.



I generally ignore them, unlike your side.



The point, moonbat, is they have to make a profit to stay in business. If they can't do that by cutting fraud because the government doesn't let them spend money on cutting fraud they are going to do it by making money off the fraud.



Wann bet?



It sounded like you were talking with a shoe in your mouth.



Of course you do.



Strange thing, since insurance companies are all evil, and for profit hospitals are all evil, and all either of them care about is making money, if these things actually worked in the real world companies would be using them to help make more of their evil profits. The government would not have to come in and tell evil companies that are only interested in cutting costs and overcharging people to cut costs in order to save money, would they?

Wanna think your position through again, or are you one of those people that is always right?



You haven't had a fact in your post yet.



I have to be perceptive?

You mentioned Romney, I am glad you brought him up.

Here are a few facts, Massachusetts spends more of its budget on Medicare than any other state, they also have the fastest growing per capita health care cost in the country. I think that makes Romneycare a complete failure, but feel free to point ot it as an example of how Obamacare is going to cut costs.



More facts for you, Ezra Klein has a BA in political science from UCLA. He doesn't have the education to understand complex subjects, and probably struggles with Algebra. Despite that, I would have a better chance of explaining what he got wrong to him than I have with you.

The idea behind expanding health insurance to more people is not to reduce the cost, everyone, including Klein, knows that. The mandate was a bone thrown to insurance companies so they wouldn't fight the requirement to cover pre existing conditions. The sole intent was for them to make money. That is reality, and denying that means you are the one ignoring facts.

It's not a massive tax hike; nor will it balloon health care costs. It's far from perfect, but until we get single payer, it's a great fucking start.

It is a tax, and a new one. How big it is is open to debate, but arguing that a new tax is not a tax hike is really stupid.

Romneycare ballooned costs, and still is almost a decade later. Yet, somehow, Obamacare is magically going to have the opposite effect. Believing that is not just a denial of facts, it is flat out delusional and should require an automatic psychiatric examination.

If this is your idea of a great start I would hate to be around anything you call an unmitigated failure.

Oh. I see. So we don't agree with facts. Okay. No need to continue, broseph.

Funny how one's interpretation and opinion of reality and fact is disputed so vehemently by those on the left when it disagrees from their sacred opinion. But then again those on the left still don't understand the economic and financial repercussions resulting from uncontrolled government spending. So hot shot, when the dollar bubble pops what will you say then, or are you so filthy rich it won't effect you?

As you are aware those in small business, after 2014, will be subject to premium adjustments (increases) resulting from the number of claims submitted within the pool they are participants in, furthermore, small business and individual coverage are classified within the same pool and forecasted rate increases will increase dramatically as a result. But then again some are so filthy rich it doesn't apply. Am I to assume it will be Bush's fault when the house of cards comes a tumbling down?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Funny how one's interpretation and opinion of reality and fact is disputed so vehemently by those on the left when it disagrees from their sacred opinion. But then again those on the left still don't understand the economic and financial repercussions resulting from uncontrolled government spending. So hot shot, when the dollar bubble pops what will you say then, or are you so filthy rich it won't effect you?

LOL. Facts are facts. The article I linked to is dealing in facts, though it does go into some speculation, but very, very little. This isn't government spending out of control. You're thinking of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that were put on a credit card, costs hidden from Americans and all while tax rates remained slashed. That's spending out of control. See also: creating a whole new governmental agency

The dollar bubble popping? Oh, you're a Ron Paul Robot, huh? Sorry dude, I don't no, nor will I ever buy into "HOLY FUCK THE SKY IS FALLING" doomsday predictions as ways to govern or legislate. If the "dollar bubble" pops, we're all going to be looking at a lot more than the ACA...well, us non-dummies will be.

As you are aware those in small business, after 2014, will be subject to premium adjustments (increases) resulting from the number of claims submitted within the pool they are participants in, furthermore, small business and individual coverage are classified within the same pool and forecasted rate increases will increase dramatically as a result.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. When you take into account the drastically reduced overhead that will come from forcing insurance companies to actually spend at least 85% of their premiums on actual health care, coupled with the effect that having 95% of the public insured will do to premiums in general, your theory just doesn't float. I'm not saying the ACA doesn't have some holes to fill, or some things to keep a close eye on, but this is not the ticking time bomb you guys on the right DESPERATELY want it to be.

But then again some are so filthy rich it doesn't apply. Am I to assume it will be Bush's fault when the house of cards comes a tumbling down?

I don't respond to hyperbole of that magnitude.

 

[Liability]

Neg reps are for pussies. Especially when all someone did was express their opinion.

But that would be typical of someone like T. The guy that plays harp(harmonica) in my blues trio is just like good 'ol T here. He walks around with a portable radio 24/7 and listens to dickheads like Slimbaugh, Savage, Beck and Hannity all the time. His idea of debating is to outshout people and his propagandists are telling the honest to God's truth about everything and any other opinion is wrong and evil. Great blues harp player, great friend...but we cannot talk politics.

^ whining ninny brays like the jackass he is.

 

[Papageorgio]

So what if I can't afford 6.3% of My income? I make over 29,000 and have a Family of 4. We currently have no Coverage and struggle to make payments on all our bills each month.

So tell me how Obama Care is going to help me come up with 6.3% of my income to pay for Insurance please.

Actually it would be cheaper for you to take the tax penalty and then get health care only when you need it.

6.3% of $29,000 is $1827. So the $750 is a much better deal. I figure most smart people will drop their health care, pay the $750 every year and just buy the insurance when it is needed. This should help all Americans out. $62.50 a month is a preety good deal for health care. This is going to work out well for the American people.

 

[Synthaholic]

So what if I can't afford 6.3% of My income? I make over 29,000 and have a Family of 4. We currently have no Coverage and struggle to make payments on all our bills each month.

So tell me how Obama Care is going to help me come up with 6.3% of my income to pay for Insurance please.

This is where Conservatives would usually post a reply like:

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"You're struggling to pay bills and have no insurance for your family, but you can afford an internet connection to post on message boards? I bet you have a flat-screen TV, too. And you probably drive a gas-guzzler"
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I know, because I've seen them do that countless times.

Funny how they are quiet when it's someone on their side. If TruthMatters had posted that, wingnuts would be lining up to tell her how irresponsible she is.

*bump* for the cowardly wingnuts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Who, Conservative or The T? They both seem to be suffering from the same hyper-inflated ego coupled with complete intellectual vacancy.

I was talking about Conservative.

The T makes no attempt to win arguments because he makes no attempt to debate. He just inserts the word 'statist' in each post and thinks it makes him look like he isn't a retard.

Ha ha! You just described nearly every single Conservative on this board.

Don't you mean everyone with conserva in their name?

 

[Stephanie]

I was talking about Conservative.

The T makes no attempt to win arguments because he makes no attempt to debate. He just inserts the word 'statist' in each post and thinks it makes him look like he isn't a retard.

Ha ha! You just described nearly every single Conservative on this board.

Don't you mean everyone with conserva in their name?

lol,

 

[tererun]

So what if I can't afford 6.3% of My income? I make over 29,000 and have a Family of 4. We currently have no Coverage and struggle to make payments on all our bills each month.

So tell me how Obama Care is going to help me come up with 6.3% of my income to pay for Insurance please.

Stop charging so much? give up the giant SUV with the shitty gas mileage and get something more affordable. refinance or get a house you can afford. Stop having so many damned kids if you cannot afford them.

Do you need more suggestions because i bet you have some video games or other technology you don't need.

 

[tererun]

So what if I can't afford 6.3% of My income? I make over 29,000 and have a Family of 4. We currently have no Coverage and struggle to make payments on all our bills each month.

So tell me how Obama Care is going to help me come up with 6.3% of my income to pay for Insurance please.

Did you not read about the $4000 in tax credits to help you afford health care coverage?

All tax credits mean is someone else is going to foot your bills which is what I thought you liberals were against?

Well let us see, if we make Romney pay for his wife's ballarina horse we could get another 77k. That would cover 9 people who need tax credits, and I bet we can cover a lot more if romney had the balls to release his tax information so we can see all the taxes he doesn't pay. I bet we could find some other rich people getting tax breaks of pointless things that we can start making pay so people can have health care.

 

[tererun]

So what if I can't afford 6.3% of My income? I make over 29,000 and have a Family of 4. We currently have no Coverage and struggle to make payments on all our bills each month.

So tell me how Obama Care is going to help me come up with 6.3% of my income to pay for Insurance please.

Did you not read about the $4000 in tax credits to help you afford health care coverage?

Did you not read that he has a family of 4? Do you have any idea what the insurance premiums are for 4 people?

Well, that is his problem now isn't it? I did not decide for him to have a family he cannot pay for. I did not decide for him to have so many bills he cannot pay them. I did not make his mistakes nor do I care to fuck everyone else because he could not keep his dick in his pants and his wife drops crotch droppings like a crack whore. Fuck you, they make Birth Control for a reason, use it. Don't whine to me because you cannot figure out how to put on a condom or get your bitch to the abortion clinic.

 

[Synthaholic]

Well, that's a little harsh.