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[Beelzebub]

This subject came up elsewhere.
I have no doubt that the 'self demolishing buildings' conspiracy theory, and many others are groundless.
However, not everything about the incident has been revealed publicly:

Some thirteen years after the event, the shadow of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in Manhattan and the Pentagon still darkens our world. The legacy of that terrible day has impacted not only our foreign policy, bequeathing to a new generation an apparently endless "war on terrorism," it also has led directly to what is arguably the most massive assault on our civil liberties since the Alien and Sedition Acts. Getting all the information about what happened that day – and why it happened – is key to understanding the course we have taken since.

This was supposed to have been the purpose of the 9/11 Commission, whose massive report is now looked to as the primary source on the subject. Yet there is another, far more specific investigative report, the one issued by the intelligence committees of both houses of Congress, entitled "Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001."

If you actually take the time to read the report, all goes along swimmingly (except for occasional redactions) until you get to p. 369, whereupon the text is blacked out for the next twenty-eight pages.

What is in the twenty-eight censored pages? You aren’t allowed to know that, but members of Congress can read them provided they write to the heads of the Senate and House intelligence committees and get permission. If such is granted, they are escorted into a soundproof carefully guarded room in the company of various spooks, where they get to read the material: they aren’t allowed to take notes.

The censored section is entitled "Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters," and the introduction – left largely intact – is instructive:

"Through its investigation, the Joint Inquiry developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. The Joint Inquiry’s review confirmed that the Intelligence Community also has information, much of which has yet to be independently verified, concerning these potential sources of support. In their testimony, neither CIA nor FBI officials were able to address definitively the extent of such support for the hijackers globally or within the United States or the extent to which such support, if it exists, is knowing or inadvertent in nature."

The alleged Saudi connection to the 9/11 attacks has had a lot of play: it is widely believed that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 special permission was given to fly members of the Saudi royal family out of the country when the whole nation was in lockdown. This raised suspicions, along with the incontrovertible fact that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens. In a 2002 interview with Gwen Ifill on PBS, Senator Bob Graham of Florida, then on the Senate Intelligence Committee, went public with the news that foreign governments were in on the 9/11 attacks:

"GWEN IFILL: “Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can’t?”

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: “Yes, going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise. I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.”

In the years since his retirement, Sen. Graham has been steadily pounding away at this point, and his persistence has usually been interpreted as a demand to reveal the extent of Saudi complicity in the attacks. And while the Saudis may well have been involved, either directly or otherwise, I would bring your attention to Graham’s statement and the introduction to the Joint Inquiry report, which indicate that more than one foreign government was involved. But if it wasn’t just the Saudis, then who else was involved?

We don’t have to rely on pure speculation ...

Representatives Walter Jones (R-North Carolina), Tom Massie (R-Kentucky), and Stephen Lynch (D-Massachusetts). According to their own accounts, they came out of that soundproof spy-proof room reeling. Here’s what Jones says:

"I was absolutely shocked by what I read. What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me…It does not deal with national security per se; it is more about relationships. The information is critical to our foreign policy moving forward and should thus be available to the American people. If the 9/11 hijackers had outside help – particularly from one or more foreign governments – the press and the public have a right to know what our government has or has not done to bring justice to the perpetrators."

"One or more foreign governments," eh? Who in the Middle East – or anywhere else, for that matter – are among "those whom we thought we could trust"? That doesn’t sound like the Saudis to me. Would anyone really be surprised or "disappointed" to learn that they were playing games behind our back?

Rep. Massie’s statement is even more revealing:

"I had to stop every two or three pages and rearrange my perception of history. And it’s that fundamental – those 28 pages….It certainly changes your view of the Middle East."

Would the discovery of Saudi perfidy "change your view of the Middle East" in a "fundamental" way? The Kingdom has been exporting its fanatic brand of Wahabism – fundamentalist Sunni ideology – spreading terrorism and political instability across the region for many years. So this is nothing new: and for those of us old enough to remember the Arab oil embargo of the 1970s, their two-timing nature is taken for granted.

original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/08/28/did-certain-foreign-governments-facilitate-the-911-attacks/


Sadly the speculation may not be 'pure' but it has to be very enriched, in the absence of more detail.

But this indicates that whatever the objections, there are spectacular stories on 9/11 yet to come out.

 

[Daniyel]

I Think its the wrong section, but not a sane person would believe such things happen, nobody sane also wish for such things to happen, but it happens anyway.
Let me ask you this , would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building because you believe in paradise promised for doing so?

 

[Beelzebub]

Yes.

Probably in the wrong section.

 

[Phoenall]

This subject came up elsewhere.
I have no doubt that the 'self demolishing buildings' conspiracy theory, and many others are groundless.
However, not everything about the incident has been revealed publicly:

Some thirteen years after the event, the shadow of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in Manhattan and the Pentagon still darkens our world. The legacy of that terrible day has impacted not only our foreign policy, bequeathing to a new generation an apparently endless "war on terrorism," it also has led directly to what is arguably the most massive assault on our civil liberties since the Alien and Sedition Acts. Getting all the information about what happened that day – and why it happened – is key to understanding the course we have taken since.

This was supposed to have been the purpose of the 9/11 Commission, whose massive report is now looked to as the primary source on the subject. Yet there is another, far more specific investigative report, the one issued by the intelligence committees of both houses of Congress, entitled "Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001."

If you actually take the time to read the report, all goes along swimmingly (except for occasional redactions) until you get to p. 369, whereupon the text is blacked out for the next twenty-eight pages.

What is in the twenty-eight censored pages? You aren’t allowed to know that, but members of Congress can read them provided they write to the heads of the Senate and House intelligence committees and get permission. If such is granted, they are escorted into a soundproof carefully guarded room in the company of various spooks, where they get to read the material: they aren’t allowed to take notes.

The censored section is entitled "Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters," and the introduction – left largely intact – is instructive:

"Through its investigation, the Joint Inquiry developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. The Joint Inquiry’s review confirmed that the Intelligence Community also has information, much of which has yet to be independently verified, concerning these potential sources of support. In their testimony, neither CIA nor FBI officials were able to address definitively the extent of such support for the hijackers globally or within the United States or the extent to which such support, if it exists, is knowing or inadvertent in nature."

The alleged Saudi connection to the 9/11 attacks has had a lot of play: it is widely believed that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 special permission was given to fly members of the Saudi royal family out of the country when the whole nation was in lockdown. This raised suspicions, along with the incontrovertible fact that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens. In a 2002 interview with Gwen Ifill on PBS, Senator Bob Graham of Florida, then on the Senate Intelligence Committee, went public with the news that foreign governments were in on the 9/11 attacks:

"GWEN IFILL: “Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can’t?”

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: “Yes, going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise. I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.”

In the years since his retirement, Sen. Graham has been steadily pounding away at this point, and his persistence has usually been interpreted as a demand to reveal the extent of Saudi complicity in the attacks. And while the Saudis may well have been involved, either directly or otherwise, I would bring your attention to Graham’s statement and the introduction to the Joint Inquiry report, which indicate that more than one foreign government was involved. But if it wasn’t just the Saudis, then who else was involved?

We don’t have to rely on pure speculation ...

Representatives Walter Jones (R-North Carolina), Tom Massie (R-Kentucky), and Stephen Lynch (D-Massachusetts). According to their own accounts, they came out of that soundproof spy-proof room reeling. Here’s what Jones says:

"I was absolutely shocked by what I read. What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me…It does not deal with national security per se; it is more about relationships. The information is critical to our foreign policy moving forward and should thus be available to the American people. If the 9/11 hijackers had outside help – particularly from one or more foreign governments – the press and the public have a right to know what our government has or has not done to bring justice to the perpetrators."

"One or more foreign governments," eh? Who in the Middle East – or anywhere else, for that matter – are among "those whom we thought we could trust"? That doesn’t sound like the Saudis to me. Would anyone really be surprised or "disappointed" to learn that they were playing games behind our back?

Rep. Massie’s statement is even more revealing:

"I had to stop every two or three pages and rearrange my perception of history. And it’s that fundamental – those 28 pages….It certainly changes your view of the Middle East."

Would the discovery of Saudi perfidy "change your view of the Middle East" in a "fundamental" way? The Kingdom has been exporting its fanatic brand of Wahabism – fundamentalist Sunni ideology – spreading terrorism and political instability across the region for many years. So this is nothing new: and for those of us old enough to remember the Arab oil embargo of the 1970s, their two-timing nature is taken for granted.

original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/08/28/did-certain-foreign-governments-facilitate-the-911-attacks/


Sadly the speculation may not be 'pure' but it has to be very enriched, in the absence of more detail.

But this indicates that whatever the objections, there are spectacular stories on 9/11 yet to come out.

OF TOPIC and should not be in this section. Please move to the correct area

 

[fanger]

I Think its the wrong section, but not a sane person would believe such things happen, nobody sane also wish for such things to happen, but it happens anyway.
Let me ask you this , would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building because you believe in paradise promised for doing so?

Would you call insane the people who orchestrated Hijacking of various 'planes and crash them into buildings "by way of deception" to cause a Pearl Harbor event to successfully cause a reaction against an enemy they were too weak to take on themselves?

 

[Daniyel]

You did not answer my question.

 

[fanger]

I Think its the wrong section, but not a sane person would believe such things happen, nobody sane also wish for such things to happen, but it happens anyway.
Let me ask you this , would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building because you believe in paradise promised for doing so?

No I would Not "kidnap a plane and crush it on a building because you believe in paradise promised for doing so"

would you, if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

 

[Daniyel]

I would die for Israel, or Israelis.
But you're miss the point, its not about helping your nation, its about religion.

 

[fanger]

I would die for Israel, or Israelis.
But you're miss the point, its not about helping your nation, its about religion.

I didnt ask if you would die for Israel, I asked would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

 

[toastman]

I would die for Israel, or Israelis.
But you're miss the point, its not about helping your nation, its about religion.

I didnt ask if you would die for Israel, I asked would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

No, only Muslims would do such things

 

[fanger]

I would die for Israel, or Israelis.
But you're miss the point, its not about helping your nation, its about religion.

I didnt ask if you would die for Israel, I asked would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

No, only Muslims would do such things

Did Muslims help the nation of israel willingly or were they tricked by deception?

 

[Daniyel]

Stop asking random questions, and get back to the point, its about religion, not helping nation, its not a military suicide mission and it did NOT do any good to ANYONE except the terrorists and their enthusiastic supporters, only selfishness.

 

[fanger]

would you Hire muslims to kidnap a plane and crush it on a building if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

 

[Daniyel]

Again, wrong question, nobody would get paid for committing suicide? - no, and even if they will, it is only because they believe they are doing something right for the after life.

Its all about religion.

 

[fanger]

Stop asking random questions, and get back to the point, its about religion, not helping nation, its not a military suicide mission and it did NOT do any good to ANYONE except the terrorists and their enthusiastic supporters, only selfishness.

Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
According to Ma'ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is 'benefiting from attack' as it 'swung American public opinion.'
Report Netanyahu says 9 11 terror attacks good for Israel Israel News Haaretz

@Daniyel I asked would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

 

[Daniyel]

Ma'ariv? read Ha'aretz its a far more reliable alternative for left-loony-wing news.
They also take Netanyahu partially comment, I know this issue and they have a long list of publishing out of context quotes, Israel-US relationship BENEFITING FROM THE ATTACK BECAUSE NOW THE AMERICANS FEEL WHAT WE DO EVERY FUCKING DAY, ITS CALLED EMPATHY.
Now don't bother repeating your redicolous question again, it is forbidden to bare any sort of responsibility of such actions by Judaism, against all Israeli moral, and against every SANE person views.
And I'm not going to argue with you anymore on conspiracy theories because it is clear to me and everyone else that if you consider us so evil then anything I would say won't matter because you'll make the conclusions you want that its all Israel responsibility/fault, get lost.

 

[fanger]

If you opened the link you would see it is a report in Ha'aretz.

You claim it's "Netanyahu partially comment"
and then do not post an alternative source, even making the insane claim that he used the word "FUCKING"


As to your suggestion "it is forbidden to bare any sort of responsibility of such actions by Judaism" Israeli actions Hiding behind Judaism?

"against all Israeli moral", We saw some of those morals when they attack women and children.

"and against every SANE person views." Everyone in the Madhouse think they are sane

 

[shart_attack]

I would die for Israel, or Israelis.
But you're miss the point, its not about helping your nation, its about religion.

I didnt ask if you would die for Israel, I asked would you kidnap a plane and crush it on a building if you were told it help the nation of Israel, to do so?

No, only Muslims would do such things

Did Muslims help the nation of israel willingly or were they tricked by deception?

They were tricked by satan.

Odd coincidence, that: deja vu, one might say.

They are tricked by satan—and, well, his underboss who penned this thread—an awful lot.

 

[n0spam4me]

Is this thread primarily about speculation as to who & why or is it permitted to discuss the solid evidence for why 9/11/2001 was an inside job. to quot the op - "I have no doubt that the 'self demolishing buildings' conspiracy theory, and many others are groundless."

However, just exactly how is it that a steel framed skyscraper can be expected to pulverize itself as a consequence of having an aircraft crash into it?
Commercial airliners are not missiles, they have not been designed to function as missiles and it is madness to expect any commercial airliner to function as a missile.

 

[n0spam4me]

No, only Muslims would do such things

Don't kid yourself, ANYBODY could do any sort of act of war or criminal violence, given motivation to do it. and its really not that out-of-reach, the highly refined science of manipulation has been being sharpened over the century since Dr. Sigmund FRAUD, published his contribution to "science".