Jan. 6th, The Law, and Nancy Pelosi's Dereliction of Duty

[beagle9]

You appear to be misinformed about the Speaker’s role and authority over Capitol security operations. Let’s clarify this directly: the Speaker of the House, while being a key figure in legislative leadership, does not command the Capitol Police or directly oversee the security operations at the Capitol. This is not a matter of opinion but of understanding how authority and governance are structured around Capitol security.

The Capitol Police are overseen by the Capitol Police Board, which indeed includes the House Sergeant at Arms. However, the Sergeant at Arms does not serve as the Speaker's personal representative nor acts under her direct command. The Sergeant at Arms, like his counterparts in the Senate and the Architect of the Capitol who together comprise the board, operates within a structure designed to maintain a separation from direct political influence, including that of the Speaker.

Furthermore, while laws governing security operations are indeed crafted by Congress, the implementation and operational command are distinct from legislative functions (got that?). The Speaker's role in legislative activities does not equate to operational control during emergencies or otherwise.

Your assertion that the Speaker has direct control through the Sergeant at Arms in an emergency conflates administrative oversight with operational command, a misunderstanding that leads to misplacing blame and responsibilities. This distinction is crucial and is designed to prevent the exact kind of political overreach you are implying. Therefore, it is inaccurate and misleading to claim that the Speaker has direct control over the Capitol Police or the security measures in place on January 6th.

You and your rabid leftist appear to be wrong about Trump inciting a riot at the capital, but whose counting anymore...

 

[beagle9]

Please, CNN?
Fiction based on fact, and this is where the confusion lies, the U.S Capitol is not the Capitol building or the Capitol grounds. I have never stated Pelosi oversees the US Capitol security. Pelosi oversees the security of the Capitol building and grounds. Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, oversees security by establishing committees that the Speaker oversees. The Capitol Police Board also has as one of its four members, the House Sergeant at Arms.

The House Sergeant at Arms reports directly to the Speaker of the House, to warn of such things as an imminent danger. Then the Speaker of the House can call and Emergency recess.

The Speaker of the House also receives daily security briefings.

The Capitol building falls under the Jurisdiction of the Legislative Branch of Government.

What needs to go on after Trump is re-elected, is immediately an investigation into every political Democrat affiliate that could have been involved in the destruction of, and in the defaming of Donald Trump for political reasoning over the want for complete power, control, and the continuance of the agenda unabated...... We need to get at the truth in hopes to see if the Democrat's were trying their hardest to turn this nation into a complete joke, and then into a socialist communist style fascist nation.

We have all seen the preview of it, and if it is allowed to continue unabated or unchallenged then we are done.

 

[elektra]

What needs to go on after Trump is re-elected, is immediately an investigation into every political Democrat affiliate that could have been involved in the destruction of, and in the defaming of Donald Trump for political reasoning over the want for complete power, control, and the continuance of the agenda unabated...... We need to get at the truth in hopes to see if the Democrat's were trying their hardest to turn this nation into a complete joke, and then into a socialist communist style fascist nation.

We have all seen the preview of it, and if it is allowed to continue unabated or unchallenged then we are done.

well said

 

[elektra]

the house is only half the capitol. The other half is the senate.

Actually, the Legislative Branch of our government, is one. The Capitol Building and grounds, is one. Yes, there are two parts to the Legislative Branch of our government but they are parts of ONE

 

[elektra]

When it comes to capitol security, the capitol police board is in charge.

No, the word Capitol is being misused by you. Your statement is too general.

When it comes to the security of the Legislative branch of government, CONGRESS is in charge.

 

[elektra]

Does delegation of authority mean anything to you? Security is a specialized expertise, and requires people that focus on just that topic in order for it to be done correctly.

Does delegation of authority mean anything to you? Authority is delegated, it is not forfeited. When authority is delegated the responsibility to ensure they are secure still rests with the leadership.

Security is specialized. Technically, the security force is policing because they are told to, through laws, by those in charge of security.

Yes, security focuses on security. Those in charge focus on paying security. Those in charge focus on intelligence reports and pass on relevant information to direct the security force. Those in charge hire and fire, appoint or elect, those they choose to police the grounds.

And during all this, information and warnings are passed to the leadership of congress, as dictating in the Standard Operating Procedure and Emergency Plan to Protect the Capitol. Both documents are approved or rejected not by the Capitol Police, not by the Capitol Police Board, but by the leadership of Congress.

 

[dudmuck]

No, the word Capitol is being misused by you. Your statement is too general.

When it comes to the security of the Legislative branch of government, CONGRESS is in charge.

congress is both the house of representatives and the senate:

The United States Congress is the legislature of the federal government of the United States. It is bicameral, composed of a lower body, the House of Representatives, and an upper body, the Senate. It meets in the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

which would mean that anyone saying that the speaker of the house can unilaterally dictate capitol security matters is just plain ignorant.

 

[elektra]

congress is both the house of representatives and the senate:

The United States Congress is the legislature of the federal government of the United States. It is bicameral, composed of a lower body, the House of Representatives, and an upper body, the Senate. It meets in the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

which would mean that anyone saying that the speaker of the house can unilaterally dictate capitol security matters is just plain ignorant.

Not as you being so ignorant as to repeat what I just stated, that the House and Senate are the Legislative branch of government. Do you not comprehend what you just read?

Nobody stated the Speaker, "unilaterally dictates".

dudmuck even builds a piss poor Strawman fallacy.

 

[dudmuck]

Not as you being so ignorant as to repeat what I just stated, that the House and Senate are the Legislative branch of government. Do you not comprehend what you just read?

Nobody stated the Speaker, "unilaterally dictates".

dudmuck even builds a piss poor Strawman fallacy.

just take a look at the title of this thread and the firsts posts of this thread.

 

[elektra]

just take a look at the title of this thread and the firsts posts of this thread.

yep, nobody has provided anything to other than convoluted contractions.

Your idea that the Speaker does not make decisions in regards to the Security of the Capitol Building is proven false.
I have provided the precedents, quoted and linked from the .gov websites.

Right now if you want to somehow, prove the Speaker was not responsible, you need to offer something concrete, factual, to show that the precedents do not apply. And that is the first fact you must explain away.

I will wait and see if you still with to make an argument while ignoring the facts that are in this thread.

 

[Faun]

Actually, the Legislative Branch of our government, is one. The Capitol Building and grounds, is one. Yes, there are two parts to the Legislative Branch of our government but they are parts of ONE

And neither house is in charge of it all.

 

[Faun]

yep, nobody has provided anything to other than convoluted contractions.

Your idea that the Speaker does not make decisions in regards to the Security of the Capitol Building is proven false.
I have provided the precedents, quoted and linked from the .gov websites.

Right now if you want to somehow, prove the Speaker was not responsible, you need to offer something concrete, factual, to show that the precedents do not apply. And that is the first fact you must explain away.

I will wait and see if you still with to make an argument while ignoring the facts that are in this thread.

They don't. The Capitol Police Board does. There's zero evidence Pelosi or McConnell were involved with any decisions regarding security leading up to Sedition Day.

 

[elektra]

They don't. The Capitol Police Board does. There's zero evidence Pelosi or McConnell were involved with any decisions regarding security leading up to Sedition Day.

There is evidence showing involvement by Pelosi/speaker of the house (McConnell is not the Senate President).

The evidence is the Laws Pelosi rights and approves.
The evidence is the House Rules Pelosi follows (suppose to follow) and approves as well as writes.
The evidence is the House Practices Pelosi follows and approves of.
The evidence is the Precedents Pelosi has copies of, approves of, and basis her actions ons.
The evidence is the capitol police Standard Operating procedure, which Pelosi writes/has written, and approves.
The evidence is the Emergency Plan to Protect the Capitol, that Pelosi approves.

There are six items you know have to research, and then show why you do not agree with how Pelosi does her job.

 

[elektra]

And neither house is in charge of it all.

yes they are

wow, it is easy to contradict, requires no work or thought, I see why faun only contradicts

 

[beautress]

Which resulted in a stolen election.

And all the promises of using the guns to stop government's criminal behaviour turned out to be just blowing smoke up a dead dog's ass.

Maybe next time? At least now Trump will know that he needn't worry about any repercussions against his actions, coming from the law and the Constitution.

Can a president order that the Speaker be executed for committing 'said' crimes against the state?

I'm so sad to hear that the election may have been stolen from a people who used to be free. The way leftist leaders have inaugurated Marxism, in all other Marxist government, it's all for themselves and easy to govern people who are frightened to say anything bad about a Marxist/Communist government or else misery will be placed on members of protesters' families and most called friends (no phone privacy due to totalitarianism disrespect for human rights.)
If the election was stolen, our rights are on the chopping block already with no return, except immediate incarceration or imprisonment in siberia, I mean, Nome Alaska without heaters.

 

[Donald H]

I'm so sad to hear that the election may have been stolen from a people who used to be free.

Why did Americans leave their guns in a secret location on Jan..6th. when Trump made it clear that the Commie Democrats were in the very process of stealing his election?

That was the very situation that the 2nd. amendment was created to enable the people to prevent!

Now that it's stolen, the power in America is in the hands of an illegitimate president with unlimited power and complete immunity from prosecution. He (Biden) will stop at nothing to ensure that Trump can never regain what is rightfully his.

 

[beautress]

Why did Americans leave their guns in a secret location on Jan..6th. when Trump made it clear that the Commie Democrats were in the very process of stealing his election?

That was the very situation that the 2nd. amendment was created to enable the people to prevent!

Now that it's stolen, the power in America is in the hands of an illegitimate president with unlimited power and complete immunity from prosecution. He (Biden) will stop at nothing to ensure that Trump can never regain what is rightfully his.

I hope that narrative is untrue. Trump has never been known to engage in pulling fast ones. Didn't you know?

 

[Faun]

There is evidence showing involvement by Pelosi/speaker of the house (McConnell is not the Senate President).

The evidence is the Laws Pelosi rights and approves.
The evidence is the House Rules Pelosi follows (suppose to follow) and approves as well as writes.
The evidence is the House Practices Pelosi follows and approves of.
The evidence is the Precedents Pelosi has copies of, approves of, and basis her actions ons.
The evidence is the capitol police Standard Operating procedure, which Pelosi writes/has written, and approves.
The evidence is the Emergency Plan to Protect the Capitol, that Pelosi approves.

There are six items you know have to research, and then show why you do not agree with how Pelosi does her job.

You have no law approved by Pelosi giving her power over the CPB or in regard to J6.
There is no House rule that puts Pelosi in charge of the CPB.
There is no evidence of any House practice showing Pelosi was involved with security on J6.
The only "precedent" is one House member's claim. There's no precedent of a House Speaker ever exerting power over the CPB.
You have no idea what's in the CP Standard Operating procedure, you 've never read it.
You have no idea what's in the Emergency Plan to Protect the Capitol, you 've never read that either.

And still, no evidence Pelosi was involved.

And McConnell was in charge of the Senate. You'll note, it was McConnell, not Pence, who pushed for Stenger to resign.

As always, you have not a single fucking clue what you're yammering about.

 

[Faun]

yes they are

wow, it is easy to contradict, requires no work or thought, I see why faun only contradicts

First of all, your claim is the Senate isn't even in charge of it. Now you saying the are.

Secondly, if Congress was in charge of it, the CPB would have only the 2 Sergeant-at-Arms on the board. No one else.

 

[Faun]

I hope that narrative is untrue. Trump has never been known to engage in pulling fast ones. Didn't you know?

And yet, there is evidence he attempted to have Biden's electors discarded with his own fake electors.