EDUCATION is falling...Males, Covid,Demographic Cliff

[Libby von H]

It's a combination of unaffordable tuition that never seems to abate as it goes up every year and the PC bullshit that is shoved down the throats of their children?

Do parents want to pay $100,000 for their daughter to go to Stanford, only to discover she later had a sex change without your knowing about it at the University, and then want to disown her parents?
This is the sort of crap that is happening.

But it is Biden that is pushing up the tuition costs. He is a stupid man

THis is obvious to anyone wiht a business background, CMA, etc

"A 2017 study from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that the average tuition increase associated with expansion of student loans is as much as 60 cents per dollar. That is, more federal aid to students enables colleges to raise tuition more."

Stupid, stupid Biden just did it again with housing. He is offering $10 000 for home buyers and the prices are going UP. If the seller knows you've got that extra dough he can raise it and you can pay it

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

College has become too expensive. Those that are smart and actually do research have realized that even though most colleges and universities claim to be non-profit, they are actually about making money. How else would they exist?

Many of the classes required for a degree have nothing to do with that degree and are a waste of time and money for the student. Those classes are forced upon the students so that the institutions can keep the students in the system longer. Think about it - why would someone earning a degree in computer science be required to take a class in music theory?

Take into account that Pell Grants covered about 3/4 of the costs of a degree; now it's a tiny fraction and many have to take out loans to cover the costs in addition to working to cover living expenses. By the time many graduate, they are in debt for life.

Someone can learn a trade by on-the-job training or going to a tech school for a couple of years (covered by Pell Grants) and earn more right out the door than someone with a 4 year degree.

The Pell Grant Makes College More AffordableâBut Itâs Only a Sliver of the True Cost of Attendance - The Education Trust

For student from low-income backgrounds, the Pell Grant is a critical piece of the financial aid puzzle

edtrust.org

 

[Libby von H]

College has become too expensive. Those that are smart and actually do research have realized that even though most colleges and universities claim to be non-profit, they are actually about making money. How else would they exist?

Many of the classes required for a degree have nothing to do with that degree and are a waste of time and money for the student. Those classes are forced upon the students so that the institutions can keep the students in the system longer. Think about it - why would someone earning a degree in computer science be required to take a class in music theory?

Take into account that Pell Grants covered about 3/4 of the costs of a degree; now it's a tiny fraction and many have to take out loans to cover the costs in addition to working to cover living expenses. By the time many graduate, they are in debt for life.

Someone can learn a trade by on-the-job training or going to a tech school for a couple of years (covered by Pell Grants) and earn more right out the door than someone with a 4 year degree.

The Pell Grant Makes College More AffordableâBut Itâs Only a Sliver of the True Cost of Attendance - The Education Trust

For student from low-income backgrounds, the Pell Grant is a critical piece of the financial aid puzzle

edtrust.org

Pell Grant is colleges colluding with Big Government so that outrageous tuition costs can be buffered just enough that you attempt the horrible deal.

 

[evenflow1969]

It seems any time you find a way to make money, there are those watching to find ways to keep you from making it.

It's all about disempowering the average citizen.

Yep, this issue started long, long ago. Our system is f ed up and has been a long time. I went into engineering in the 80s. Was expensive. Hard as hell and worse all the teachers were foreign. Could not understand half of what they said with their broken English. Start to fix by reducing costs and professors that speak damned English.All that money and time spent on a system that I old not even get a damned English speaking teacher. I was in a blind rage half the time.

 

[Unkotare]

... - why would someone earning a degree in computer science be required to take a class in music theory?

...

They aren't.

 

[Votto]

Many colleges will fail and die? Why is that a bad thing?

It is the same reason that watching someone die from cancer is a bad thing

The human body is a glorious creation, but when infected with an organism that will kill it, at some point is simply better for that body to pass than to watch is suffer more and more every day, but it would be preferable for the cancer to be gone.

Colleges are the same way. They were created by religious folk to bless the world, which they did, but now they have been invaded by a new organism and a new religion, which is causing all this suffering and Nazi-like antisemitism and hate. Although it may be better for us to just let nature take its course and let them all die, it is a sad thing knowing the world was once a better place for them being there.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

They aren't.

It was required for me and the others that were in the program.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So males are dramatically declining college as never before in our history.
Covid ( actually Biden, kissing the Teachers Union) knocked down attendance and it never recovered
And the Demographic Cliff starts in earnest next semester.


Many colleges will fail and die. So be it.
"the college-going population is expected to shrink across the next five to 10 years by as many as 15 percentage points."

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It was required for me and the others that were in the program.

liar.

 

[Unkotare]

It was required for me and the others that were in the program.

I don't believe that for one second. You were probably required to pass at least one course in the humanities as part of a core curriculum.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I don't believe that for one second. You were probably required to pass at least one course in the humanities as part of a core curriculum.

And probably had 100 courses to choose from.

 

[braalian]

The best thing Americans can do, I think, is to find ways to survive apart from the system, such as bartering and doing favors for each other, etc. Or find way to make cash under the table that is not taxable, that is, before they digitalize everything.

You sure seem to enjoy being melodramatic

Anyways, cash-under-the-table jobs aren’t hard to get if you know where to look. I worked under the table for years

But even tax free, you tend to make less per hour then you would at a “real” job with a college degree or professional license

Plus, no benefits, no guaranteed hours, no disability….

 

[braalian]

It was required for me and the others that were in the program.

No, it wasn’t

As someone said, you probably had to take one humanity class and you chose music theory.

You could’ve picked something more practical like Spanish or something if you’d wanted to

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[San Souci]

It's a combination of unaffordable tuition that never seems to abate as it goes up every year and the PC bullshit that is shoved down the throats of their children?

Do parents want to pay $100,000 for their daughter to go to Stanford, only to discover she later had a sex change without your knowing about it at the University, and then want to disown her parents?
This is the sort of crap that is happening.

True. Modern College sucks.