Zogby: GOP Faces Extinction Risk
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Oscar Wao
Victory is Mine
We've got some "ideas," but Vannity, Limpballs, Ya Dope!, and the typical crowd won't accept them...
The Dude has the mindset of the current Republican party
There is nothing new.
Well there is alot that is new. The demographic direction of the US electorate is changing substantially.
The fastest growing portions of the electorate are minorities and the young. The Republicans are doing very little to bring the growing segment into their party.
Oscar Wao
Victory is Mine
How do you suggest we (not including you in the "we") conservatives attract the young and the minorities?
I have some ideas, but I want to hear yours first, as you brought up the subject.
McCain was the right choice to give the Republicans a chance to win even after a disaster like George Bush.
The problem was the popularity of Obama with the moderates. I think McCain could or would have beaten Clinton.
The the Republicans did not help themselves with picking Palin to solidify the base. That pushed many moderates that were considering McCain to Obama.
It is a new electorate out there. The old stodgy Republicans and the Dude don't get it.
I think the Republicans should pick McCain's daughter as their new leader. She understands the new electorate.
In a general I feel the Republicans would attract new followers by emphasizing fiscal conservatism and moderating their socially conservative views.
The majority of the current leadership are driven by socially conservative issues not fiscally conservative issues.
Ronald Reagan said if we agree on 80% of the issues we can all work together.
Durring the Bush administration it turned to a motto that we must agree on 100% of the issues or you are not with us. The Republicans need to get back to populist thinking of Reagan.
That is a start.
Toro
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The Republicans wouldn't have won with a more conservative candidate. The GOP picked the candidate with the best chance to win, though the conservative ideologues will deny that until they are blue in the face. But that's what ideologues do.
Roughly 20% of the population are conservative Republicans. Some 10%-20% of the population - depending on the poll - are conservative independents or Democrats. You simply cannot win appealing solely to the Rush Limbaugh crowd, and the Republican party is moving to the right, expunging all the so-called "RINOs."
Ideologues on both the left and the right believe strongly in the certainty of their argument such that if their party was even more whatever ideology they believe in, they would win. But it never works that way. Simple fact is that you cannot win the Presidency without winning the center. And that ain't where the Republicans are headed.
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eagleseven
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Great minds think alike!
Oddball
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Republicans couldn't have won if they ran George Washington himself.
And I'd like to see some evidence of this myth that the party is moving right, and which RINOS have been tossed.
eagleseven
Quod Erat Demonstrandum
The Republican party isn't moving right, as evidenced by McCain's nomination.
Rather, Mr. Obama is pulling the Democrats way left, as evidenced by his nationalization of American industry. Many in his own party (Blue-Dog Dems) think he is going too far.
Or, as my Ukrainian roommate's parents said, "We know a communist when we see one."
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EriktheRed
Eh...
Actually, I think it's likely they'll gain seats in the House, at least. They'll still be in the minority in both chambers, though.
Oscar Wao
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Regaining the Senate next fall is a pipe dream (maybe they can pull off a 50/50! haha!), but the House is VERY possible.
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HEY, LOOK AT THAT
Rasmussen was #1
ah, let me guess the Department of Political Science Fordham University is a republican stronghold
toomuchtime_
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Zogby seems to be drinking Dem kool aid. The Republicans have put up ideas for changing to cleaner energy, namely nuclear reactors and clean coal plants. The new coal gasification plants such as GE builds can trap greenhouse gases as well as other pollutants so they are as clean as solar or wind energy, and they can be built close to the markets they serve so there is no need for hundreds of billions of dollars in new high capacity electric lines to carry energy from wind farms in the mid west to other places in the country and we don't have to wait for new batteries to be invented before putting these technologies into widespread use. Converting to coal gasification plants and nuclear energy would make the US energy independent for at least the next 200 years and would also benefit the environment, but it was a Republican plan, so it will never see the light of day in this Congress.
The difference between the Democrats and Republicans on health care is that the Republicans understand they have no good ideas on how to massively overhaul the health care system and the Democrats don't understand they don't have any good ideas on how to do it either. The House bill is an atrocity and polls show the American people know it. When there are no good ideas out there, sensible people in both parties will say, no, to the bad ones that are proposed.
If the Republicans are the party of no for now, then the Democrats are the party of false hopes, of broken promises, of wildly escalating debt and reckless spending. The House bill has no chance in the Senate, and if Pelosi manages to bully House Dems into voting for a bill that will make health insurance costs go up, taxes go up, the debt go up, business costs go and unemployment go up, those who vote for it will be punished at the polls by voters who have clearly indicated they don't want these things. According to Gallup, 2 out of three Americans doubt that Congress even understands health care issues. When voters go to the polls, are they going to vote for candidates who support things they oppose or are they going to vote for candidates who agree with them on these issues?
Yeah, that's right.
I think the R's are not marketing to the minorities and young very well.
Here's why...those are often the very people that Republican policies end up screwing.
It's mostly the YOUNG and MINORITIES for example, who don't have health care, who have the minimum wage jobs, who are in poverty, who cannot afford to pay for college.
So when your basic political message is:
I GOT MINE, GET YOURS, JACK!
...it might fail to resonate positively with those who as yet aren't making it in America.
This has been a problem the Republican have had with their brand as long as I can remember.
To some extent in the last few decades, they've gotten around that problem using the FAMILY VALUES marketing ploy.
But that only works as long as enough people are doing well enough.
But that only works as long as enough people are doing well enough.
In a time of recession, things ECONOMIC become the primary motivating issues in politics.
And hard as it is for some of you folks who ARE making it to understand?
TAX BREAK SOLUTIONS don't attract people who don't make enough to pay taxes to begin with.
People have a tendency to vote for people who are saying something that gives them HOPE.
Right now, the Republicans don't have a message of HOPE to give to the young and minorities.
If anything, what the Republicans are currently trying to sell to the working class poor American public (and that number is growing every day) is exactly the opposite of what they want to hear.
What do they want to hear?
That they'll get HC coverage they currently don't have or fear losing if they lose their jobs.
That the government is working to keep their companies and the economy going.
That they're NOT on their own in the economic wilderness of this recession that really is threatening millions of American families with homelessness and abject poverty.
Now read the sentiments of most of the Republican loyals on this board, and what you hear in their message is basically...
**** off losers, we don't care if you all die.
Now I actually can understand why some of you feel that way, but apparently you cannot understand why people who are in trouble financially won't vote for the people who don't give a shit if they die.
What killed the Republican's chances in the last election, folks?
What killed the Republican's chances in the last election, folks?
The economy.
And what do most of you folks want the government to do about the economy?
Nothing!
You guys WANT companies to go down, and you don't CARE if people lose their jobs, their homes, their lives. You guys just don't CARE.
You guys WANT companies to go down, and you don't CARE if people lose their jobs, their homes, their lives. You guys just don't CARE.
Your lack of empathy is exactly WHY the Republican party isn't doing that well, right now.
Now, you've got to wait for OBAMA policies to fail before the American people give your party a chance again.
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Not to mention that Jindal has outlined ideas for a healthcare proposal. And personally, I like Rush's plan better.......health insurance is to be for catastrophic purposes, only. The rest can be paid by the consumer, thereby dropping private sector costs.
The problem is, the Republican proposals are not getting much coverage by MSM. Only the Dems' proposals are being heard. Which can be an actual good thing because the more the public hears about Dem proposals, the less they are liking them.
Newby
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Hmm.... what are the 'blue dogs'?? Funny how see all the problems on the other side of the aisle, but don't see the same issues on your own side, or act like the ones on your side aren't nearly as bad.
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