Zimmerman

[Ravi]

"Implied" is to suggest something indirectly. "not to state something but to indirectly associate it"

I STATED the facts, never implied it.

You didn't state any facts. You stated that the body is wiped BEFORE autopsy. If that were true, forensic evidence would be very hard to collect.

You have a real hard time with facts.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah, if you really on read that part.... But if you actually read the link the man only states he saw Martin on top Zimmerman. Which doesn't prove who started it.
We have all be through this many time, there is no witness who saw the incident actually start.
Pinning someone to the ground doesn't automatically mean the person started the fight.

The LEGAL question is if Zimmerman feared for his live, the bigger and younger Martin was on top of him, pummeling him; that you view Zimmerman as white isn't enough to mitigate the facts. Martin beat Zimmerman to a bloody pulp, this is established fact.

The party press suppressed the evidence until after the election, but;

You already know that Obama's NBC falsified the audio and that Zimmerman did not follow Martin. NBC cut out 4 minutes of audio and spliced together different segments, as is the way of the leftist press.

{NBC has now fired three people from two different offices over at least two different edits of George Zimmerman’s now infamous 9-1-1 call prior to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. Both edits were clearly designed to portray Zimmerman as a racist while raising tensions in an already volatile situation. This latest firing from NBC once again goes unexplained. }

Bozell: NBC Fires Another Producer in Fake Zimmerman Audio Scandal, But Still Hasn't Come Clean | NewsBusters.org

 

[WorldWatcher]

"Implied" is to suggest something indirectly. "not to state something but to indirectly associate it"

I STATED the facts, never implied it.

You didn't state any facts. You stated that the body is wiped BEFORE autopsy. If that were true, forensic evidence would be very hard to collect.

You have a real hard time with facts.

If technically the autopsy doesn't start until after the preliminary photographing of the body, the collection of trace & forensic evidence, the removal of clothes, the 2nd photographing, and then the cleaning in homicide cases. Then technically he's correct.


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[Uncensored2008]

heh, you made a claim that you can't back up and now you're whining.

Nutters are very entertaining.

ROFL

One of us backs up claims Rati - and there are no links in your posts.

All you or Luissa have is your racism - the facts of the case prove you wrong.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The LEGAL question is if Zimmerman feared for his live, the bigger and younger Martin was on top of him, pummeling him; that you view Zimmerman as white isn't enough to mitigate the facts. Martin beat Zimmerman to a bloody pulp, this is established fact.

The FIRST LEGAL question that the Jury will have to decide is if Zimmerman was the agrressor and if Martin was defending himself. If the jury feels Zimmerman was the aggressor then he looses self-defense immunity and therefore becomes responsibile for his actions.

... and that Zimmerman did not follow Martin.

Zimmerman said he followed Martin, you don't believe Zimmerman?


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[Gadawg73]

Postmortem : by Dr. Steven A. Kohler and Dr. Cyril H. Wecht.

"Who Conducts an Autopsy on a Murder Victim:
An autopsy is done by 3 groups of people, autopsy technicians, autopsy photographers and forencisc pathologists. The autopsy technicians prepare the autopsy area and bring the body to the stainless steel examination table. Photos are taken and descriptions of clothing and forensic evidence are collected.
Once this is done the technicians remove the clothing and place it on sheets of paper. a 2nd set of photographs are taken AND THEN THE BODY IS WASHED."

So there you have it in black and white. How many more do I need to post that the facts are, without any doubt, THAT THE BODY IS ALWAYS WASHED, WIPED BEFORE AUTOPSY IN MURDER VICTIM AUTOPSY?

Dumbass fools here. Wonder if any of you have the balls to admit you were wrong.
Hello.
I doubt it. You people are too ignorant to admit you are wrong. ******* know it alls.

Fair and reasonable answer. I respect that.
Serious debate is always your first charge.
No problem. But there is no collection of evidence from the body other than the clothes as the trace evidence is collected at the scene. There are always exceptions to that and that is the FPs call.
Ravi and her CSI team denied that.

That's not what the first quote above says.

It says Autopsy Technicians prepare the body on a stainless steel examination table, that is not usually present at the scene, that is in the ME's office. Your statement then goes on to say that one of the preliminary steps (after receipt of the body by the ME and it being placed on the stainless steel table) is taking of photographs and "forensic evidence are collected".

Your own statement confirms that in a homicide case that forensic evidence is collected by the ME's office after the body was received. (Not trying to say that "all" forensic evidence is collected at the ME's office, that would be silly as the whole crime scene isn't moved. However what is available on the body is and should be collected in a homicide case.)



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Where did I state "trace" evidence?
No where. As hard as you try to stretch the truth it never works in a criminal investigation.
Read what I stated, not what you want it to be.
I never said forensic evidence WAS NOT collected was not collected there.

Again, GO BY WHAT I STATE.

 

[Ravi]

"Implied" is to suggest something indirectly. "not to state something but to indirectly associate it"

I STATED the facts, never implied it.

You didn't state any facts. You stated that the body is wiped BEFORE autopsy. If that were true, forensic evidence would be very hard to collect.

You have a real hard time with facts.

If technically the autopsy doesn't start until after the preliminary photographing of the body, the collection of trace & forensic evidence, the removal of clothes, the 2nd photographing, and then the cleaning in homicide cases. Then technically he's correct.


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Autopsy
Definition
An autopsy is a postmortem assessment or examination of a body to determine the cause of death. An autopsy is performed by a physician trained in pathology.

autopsy - definition of autopsy in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Once a body is received (usually in a body bag), it is photographed, has its clothes removed, and is then subjected to ultraviolent light. Samples of hair and nails are taken, and the body is then cleaned, weighed, and measured before any incisions are made for internal examination.

Forensic Pathology

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, Zimmerman followed a kid for no reason.

You KNOW that is not true, NBC was busted and has admitted that they falsified the 911 call. Yet you persist, due to racism.

It has nothing to do with him being white.

Bullshit. Zimmerman is Hispanic and LOOKS Hispanic, yet the filthy leftist press declared this a "white on black" killing. This is and was 100% demagoguery to foster racist hatred between blacks and whites.

The democrats, the party of the KKK, are waging a propaganda war to foster hatred of whites, and this was a crisis that the leftist press was not going to let go to waste.

The fact that you and others assume Martin with no criminal record started it does have to do with him being black, though.

What the **** are you babbling about?

{According to an investigation by the Miami Herald, Martin was suspended twice - once in October of last year for graffiti, and prior to the shooting for possession of a bag with traces of marijuana and a “marijuana pipe.” Martin was also found in possession of some jewelry and what the Herald describes as a “burglary tool,” though these items were not convincingly established as being owned by Martin himself, following an independent investigation by police.

Both offenses, which would fall under the umbrellas of “vandalism” and “possession or use of alcohol and/or controlled substances,” would be sufficient to merit ten day suspensions under district policy. Martin was apparently also suspended at an indeterminate time in the past for tardiness and/or truancy, though the Herald does not specify for how long.}

Revealed: Trayvon Martin’s Suspension Record, George Zimmerman’s Statement to Police | TheBlaze.com

But you know who has no criminal record? George Zimmerman - the man you are trying to lynch - for being white.

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Witnesses say Zimmerman killed Martin"

With your logic, that means Zimmerman is guilty of first degree murder.

Dummier and dummier you are.

Good god but you're ******* stupid...

I mean that most sincerely, Rati.

 

[Gadawg73]

The LEGAL question is if Zimmerman feared for his live, the bigger and younger Martin was on top of him, pummeling him; that you view Zimmerman as white isn't enough to mitigate the facts. Martin beat Zimmerman to a bloody pulp, this is established fact.

The FIRST LEGAL question that the Jury will have to decide is if Zimmerman was the agrressor and if Martin was defending himself. If the jury feels Zimmerman was the aggressor then he looses self-defense immunity and therefore becomes responsibile for his actions.

... and that Zimmerman did not follow Martin.

Zimmerman said he followed Martin, you don't believe Zimmerman?


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There will be a hearing before a Judge to determine the validity of the Stand Your Ground defense as that is not a jury matter. If the Judge rules in Zimmerman's favor all charges are dismissed and the case is over.
The "aggressor" means nothing. Who hit who first is the only thing that matters. What is "aggressive"?
"attacked" is the ONLY criteria they can debate.

 

[Gadawg73]

Zimmerman following Martin does not mean he attacked him.
Aggressor is in a civil matter with preponderance of the evidence.
Attacked is the criminal code.
If Martin was attacked by Zimmerman first then he had every reason to bash his face in. Zimmerman is guilty of 2nd degree murder 100% then.
If Zimmerman pursued and followed Martin, which is NOT against the law, and Martin attacked Zimmerman FIRST then he walks on the murder charge.
But even if he walks on the murder charge I would still be open for evidence on the manslaughter as that STILL is a strong case even IF Martin hit Zimmerman first.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where was anyone convicted of starting a fight?
Did this case go to trial today? What was the outcome?
I was working all day.

What saves Zimmerman is the racist SA shot her wad with a second degree murder charge. With the current evidence, that charge cannot be substantiated. At this point, not only will Angela Corey not get a conviction, she'll be lucky not to be disbarred.

Zimmerman is dumb though, he and his wife could face perjury charges that they would be convicted on.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He wasn't trespassing on someone else's property, he was in a gated community where his father was a resident.

Zimmerman's going to prison, because no jury in its right mind is going to have a race riot over this bit of white trash.

So maybe Angela Corey should modify the charge to simply "being white?"

That's the bottom line with you racist ***** anyway.

 

[paperview]

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But you know who has no criminal record? George Zimmerman - the man you are trying to lynch - for being white.

Wrong.

Zimmerman was arrested for a FELONY WITH VIOLENCE on a Law Enforcement Officer.

He was able to reduce it to misdemeanor, but only because he was force to attend an ANGER MANAGEMENT course.

I'm surprised someone who thinks they know a lot about this case doesn't know that.

Well, not really.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The FIRST LEGAL question that the Jury will have to decide is if Zimmerman was the agrressor and if Martin was defending himself. If the jury feels Zimmerman was the aggressor then he looses self-defense immunity and therefore becomes responsibile for his actions.

Apparently not.

{A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.}

Drop Zimmerman?s murder charge  - New York Daily News

Stand your ground is not the question here, but rather self-defense, and the law is clear that Zimmerman was well within the statute.

Zimmerman said he followed Martin, you don't believe Zimmerman?


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False, NBC fabricated the audio claiming Zimmerman followed Martin.

Zimmerman stopped following when told. The transcripts make it clear that Zimmerman halted pursuit and started back to his truck to meet the police. Martin attacked Zimmerman at some point between the clubhouse and his truck, as Zimmerman was making his way back.

Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police

 

[paperview]

Zimmerman also had a restraining order slapped on him because he had hit his girlfriend.

 

[paperview]

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False, NBC fabricated the audio claiming Zimmerman followed Martin.

Zimmerman stopped following when told. The transcripts make it clear that Zimmerman halted pursuit and started back to his truck to meet the police. Martin attacked Zimmerman at some point between the clubhouse and his truck, as Zimmerman was making his way back.

Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police

What??

Zimmerman, after saying "Oh shit, he's running" went hightailing after Trayvon.

Zimmerman DID follow him and he admitted to that. NBC did not fabricate that.

Then, after running after him - he made up a stupid excuse about needing to find a street sign.

A street sign - for HIS OWN STREET.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Wrong.

Zimmerman was arrested for a FELONY WITH VIOLENCE on a Law Enforcement Officer.

He was able to reduce it to misdemeanor, but only because he was force to attend an ANGER MANAGEMENT course.

I'm surprised someone who thinks they know a lot about this case doesn't know that.

Well, not really.

Sigh, you're lying - as leftists tend to do.

Zimmerman has no criminal record - he has never been convicted of any crime. Because you are a demagogue on a racist witch hunt, you are referencing an arrest in 2005 where the charges were dropped.

{In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.}

Zimmerman accused of domestic violence, fighting with a police officer - U.S. News

 

[paperview]

Wrong.

Zimmerman was arrested for a FELONY WITH VIOLENCE on a Law Enforcement Officer.

He was able to reduce it to misdemeanor, but only because he was force to attend an ANGER MANAGEMENT course.

I'm surprised someone who thinks they know a lot about this case doesn't know that.

Well, not really.

Sigh, you're lying - as leftists tend to do.

Zimmerman has no criminal record - he has never been convicted of any crime. Because you are a demagogue on a racist witch hunt, you are referencing an arrest in 2005 where the charges were dropped.

{In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.}

Zimmerman accused of domestic violence, fighting with a police officer - U.S. News

I am not lying, asshole.

I never lie. What I said is correct, and that March article does not contain the details we have since learned. That article doesn't even get his age right. He was 22 at the time, not 20.
It was ANGER MANAGEMENT Classes. 9 months worth. Why would have to attend an alcohol program? His drinking was not the charge.

THAT was the only reason he was able to have the charge reduced.

They do that for many first time offenders.

If anyone want's to see the court record of that 2005 incident, it's here:

You'll have to enter "Zimmerman, George" :

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5797428

You can see the full chronology below, and note the dates he was ordered by the court to attend PTD

STATE OF FLORIDA VS. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL §
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---------->> Case Type: Criminal Felony
Date Filed: 07/18/2005
Location: Div 10
Judicial Officer: OKane, Julie H
Inmate Booking Number: 05200584
Uniform Case Number: 482005CF009525000AOX

Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL

Statute
Level
Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
843.01Third Degree - Felony07/16/20052. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

Defendant
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL

DOB: 10/05/1983
ZAHRA SHANAZ UMANSKY, Esquire
Retained

407-228-3838(W) Plaintiff
STATE OF FLORIDA

Charge Information
Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL

Statute
Level
Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
843.02First Degree - Misd0
7/14/2005Events & Orders of the Court

OTHER EVENTS AND HEARINGS
07/28/2006 Nolle ProsequiNOLLE PROSEQUI COUNT 001
06/15/2006 PTD Program Agreement for Supervision

Extension ORANGE CO. PTD AGGREEMENT FOR SUPERVISION EXT.
01/26/2006 Bond Discharged CLOSED BOND DISCHARGED #61766193
01/12/2006 Approval for Participation in PTD APPROVAL FOR PART.IN PTD
12/30/2005 Pre-Trial DefermentPRE-TRIAL DEFERMENT FILED
12/30/2005 Waiver of Speedy TrialWAIVER OF SPEEDY TRIAL FILED
11/22/2005 Notice Returned UnservedNOTICE RETURNED UNSERVED FILED
10/27/2005 Defendant Not PresentDEFENDANT NOT PRESENT
10/27/2005 In Open CourtIN OPEN COURT
10/27/2005 Appearance of Attorney EnteredAPPEAR. OF ATTORNEY ENTERED
10/27/2005 Per the Court:ORDERED FILED IN OPEN COURT*
10/27/2005 Defendant Referred to PreTrial DiversionDEF REFERRED TO PTD
10/27/2005 Case Held in AbeyanceCASE HELD IN ABEYANCE
10/27/2005 Waiver of Speedy TrialWAIVER OF SPEEDY TRIAL ANNOUNCED IN OPEN COURT
10/27/2005 Pre-Trial Conference (8:30 AM) () TRIAL PERIOD 10/31-11/09/05.
10/25/2005 Hearing (9:00 AM) () DEF'S MOTION TO COMPEL
10/17/2005 State's Witness ListSTATE'S WITNESS LIST FILED
10/17/2005 Notice of Filing of State's Discovery ExhibitNOTICE OF FILING STATE'S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
10/07/2005 Notice of HearingNOTICE OF HEARING FILED <10/25/2005> 09:00 A.M.
10/06/2005 Motion to CompelMOTION TO COMPEL FILED
09/28/2005 Notice for Pre-TrialNOTICE FOR PRETRIAL RET: 10/27/2005
09/28/2005 Defendant Not PresentDEFENDANT NOT PRESENT
09/28/2005 In Open CourtIN OPEN COURT
09/28/2005 Counsel Not PresentATTY/PD NOT PRESENT
09/28/2005 Written Plea of Not GuiltyWRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY PREVIOUSLY ENTERED
09/28/2005 Arraignment (1:00 PM) () 09/28/2005 Arraignment (8:00 AM) () 09/27/2005 ArraignmentARRAIGNMENT SCHEDULED FOR 09/28/2005
09/06/2005 NoticeNOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT ISSUED <09/28/2005> 01:00 P.M.
08/31/2005 Notice of AppearanceNOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED ZAHRA S. UMANSKY
08/31/2005 Waiver of ArraignmentWAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT
08/31/2005 Written Plea of Not GuiltyWRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY ENTERED
08/31/2005 Notice of Intent to Participate in DiscoveryNOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
08/31/2005 Demand for Disclosure of Criminal RecordsDEMAND FOR DISCLOSURE OF CRIMINAL RECORDS
08/31/2005 Demand for Exculpatory InformationDEMAND FOR EXCULPATORY INFORMATION
08/30/2005 Complete Case TransferredCOMPLETE CASE TRANSFERRED FROM 05-CF-9525
08/30/2005 Bond FiledPOLAKOFF BOND FILED RET TBN #A061766193 $1000
08/29/2005 Information FiledINFORMATION FILED
Financial Information
Defendant ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL Total Financial Assessment 265.48 Total Payments and Credits 265.48 Balance Due as of 03/26/2012 0.00 08/07/2006 Transaction Assessment 7.5008/07/2006 Payment Added for Conversion Only Receipt # 5000386023 SEALED (7.50)03/12/2012 Transaction Assessment 1.0003/12/2012 Counter Payment Receipt # CR-2012-13569 MEDIA (1.00)03/22/2012 Transaction Assessment 180.9903/22/2012 Counter Payment Receipt # CR-2012-15164 JOHN F. COUWELS (180.99)03/22/2012 Transaction Assessment 20.0003/22/2012 Counter Payment Receipt # CR-2012-15191 MEDIA (20.00)03/23/2012 Transaction Assessment 55.9903/23/2012 Counter Payment Receipt # CR-2012-15477 BARBARA J. LISTON (55.99)

 

[paperview]

Here, from a Florida Lawyer:

The Office of the State Attorney has structured an alternative prosecution program called the Pre-Trial diversion program. Pre-Trial Diversion is the only approved method of alternative prosecution in Orange and Osceola counties. If a defendant successfully completes Pre-Trial Diversion, the State Attorney's Office will drop the charges. Furthermore, once the charges are dropped, the defendant is likely eligible to have their record expunged.
What are the conditions of Pre-Trial Diversion?

Felony PTD is a nine month program with a program cost of $450. Misdemeanor PTD is a 6month program that costs $300. Each program requires at a minimum, community service hours, bi-weekly or monthly reporting and offense related classes and/or counseling.

Read the rest here: Pre-Trial Diversion | The Bigney Law Firm | Orlando Florida

If you look at the dates on that file, you'll see Z attended the 9 month program. In his case, it was not community service, it was ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES.

He completed the PTD, and the SA office dropped the charges to a misdemeanor, as is standard for most successful completions. Sometimes the record gets expunged.

As you can see, Zimmerman's record was not expunged, or else I wouldn't be able to show that record to you via the government website.