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You need an ID to by booze, cigarettes,board planes, etc. but you won't need an ID to vote? Does that mean ANYONE illegally in USA will vote?
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Crepitus
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Where did I say they couldn't?Why can't people defend their homes and property and lives?Why would you need one to vote?why would you need an id to own a gun?Voting is, and you want to require ID for that. But not for owning a gun?None of those things you mention are a right except owning a gun, scumbag.You need a license to drive a car or a boat, to hunt or fish, to fly a plane, even to be a contractor or handle refrigerant,. It you don't need one to own a firearm?For most people, driver's licenses issued by the respective state and territorial governments have become the de facto identity cards, and are used for many identification purposes, such as when :
Individuals who do not drive are able to obtain an identification card with the same functions from the same state agency that issues driver's licenses. In addition, many schools issue student and teacher ID cards.
- purchasing alcohol and tobacco,
- opening bank accounts, and boarding planes,
- along with confirming a voter's identity in states with voter photo identification initiatives.
Identity document - Wikipedia
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Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls.
Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exception
One of the ACLU's example: In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,”
House Dems Pass Bill To Federalize Vote By Mail & 'Override All State Voter ID Laws' - Patriot Newsfeed
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,” which Republicans have warned will compromise the integrity of future elections. In a vote along party lines the bill narrowly passed the Democrat majority in a vote 220-210. The bill “expands...patriotnewsfeed.com
The last point confirming a voter's identity will be under Federal law UNNECESSARY to vote.
So how many swing states for Trump/Biden election didn't require photo id?
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until,
in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted.
Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’;
No, Joe Biden Did Not Only Improve in Four Major Swing-State Cities | National Review
If you’re still looking for proof that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, you will need to do better than this.www.nationalreview.com
Slade3200
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You use your license to register and then you get either a pin code or a fob or a keychain scan card. Then to access the facility you use the pin or fob or scan card, not your ID... get it now?No.. It didn't. Because in order to get into the gym, you get scanned first before you use the services. Not after.Haha that analogy went right over your head. The gym door scan is equivalent to the name/signature at the polls. Neither involve the photo ID
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Anyone who drives has a gvt issued photo id, including poorer people.....good call.......we need Birth Certificates/etc to get a driver's license/etc...this is just basic COMMON SENSE--which the left doesn't have--for various reasons--one of which they think with their emotions and not their brainsFor most people, driver's licenses issued by the respective state and territorial governments have become the de facto identity cards, and are used for many identification purposes, such as when :
Individuals who do not drive are able to obtain an identification card with the same functions from the same state agency that issues driver's licenses. In addition, many schools issue student and teacher ID cards.
- purchasing alcohol and tobacco,
- opening bank accounts, and boarding planes,
- along with confirming a voter's identity in states with voter photo identification initiatives.
Identity document - Wikipedia
Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls.
Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exception
One of the ACLU's example: In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,”
House Dems Pass Bill To Federalize Vote By Mail & 'Override All State Voter ID Laws' - Patriot Newsfeed
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,” which Republicans have warned will compromise the integrity of future elections. In a vote along party lines the bill narrowly passed the Democrat majority in a vote 220-210. The bill “expands...patriotnewsfeed.com
The last point confirming a voter's identity will be under Federal law UNNECESSARY to vote.
So how many swing states for Trump/Biden election didn't require photo id?
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until,
in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted.
Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’;
No, Joe Biden Did Not Only Improve in Four Major Swing-State Cities | National Review
If you’re still looking for proof that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, you will need to do better than this.
It's anyone who does not have access to a car and does not have a driver's license, where some difficulty arises for a select number of that group.
Number of Licensed Drivers in US in 2023
In 2023 there are 243.4 million licensed drivers in the US, which includes 89% of US adults. That's up from 238.6 million in 2022.
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People living in democrat cities can't do math, read, write or can figure out how to get a photo ID. Ask our USMB homies about how systemic racism denies people photo ID
Slade3200
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Hey mr math, why did you bail on our discussion? Is leaving your way of conceding ?Anyone who drives has a gvt issued photo id, including poorer people.....good call.......we need Birth Certificates/etc to get a driver's license/etc...this is just basic COMMON SENSE--which the left doesn't have--for various reasons--one of which they think with their emotions and not their brainsFor most people, driver's licenses issued by the respective state and territorial governments have become the de facto identity cards, and are used for many identification purposes, such as when :
Individuals who do not drive are able to obtain an identification card with the same functions from the same state agency that issues driver's licenses. In addition, many schools issue student and teacher ID cards.
- purchasing alcohol and tobacco,
- opening bank accounts, and boarding planes,
- along with confirming a voter's identity in states with voter photo identification initiatives.
Identity document - Wikipedia
Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls.
Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exception
One of the ACLU's example: In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,”
House Dems Pass Bill To Federalize Vote By Mail & 'Override All State Voter ID Laws' - Patriot Newsfeed
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,” which Republicans have warned will compromise the integrity of future elections. In a vote along party lines the bill narrowly passed the Democrat majority in a vote 220-210. The bill “expands...patriotnewsfeed.com
The last point confirming a voter's identity will be under Federal law UNNECESSARY to vote.
So how many swing states for Trump/Biden election didn't require photo id?
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until,
in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted.
Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’;
No, Joe Biden Did Not Only Improve in Four Major Swing-State Cities | National Review
If you’re still looking for proof that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, you will need to do better than this.
It's anyone who does not have access to a car and does not have a driver's license, where some difficulty arises for a select number of that group.
USA Population of 2021 --- 332,225,037 of which nearly 70% have driver's license.Number of Licensed Drivers in US in 2023
In 2023 there are 243.4 million licensed drivers in the US, which includes 89% of US adults. That's up from 238.6 million in 2022.
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Shelzin
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Well... that wasn't my point but I guess it really doesn't matter to me how the voter ID to prove you are a citizen happens, so long as it's actually secure.You use you license to register and then you get either a pin code or a fob or a keychain scan card. Then to access the facility you use the pin or fob, not your ID... get it now?No.. It didn't. Because in order to get into the gym, you get scanned first before you use the services. Not after.Haha that analogy went right over your head. The gym door scan is equivalent to the name/signature at the polls. Neither involve the photo ID
Slade3200
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How do you think it currently isn’t secure?Well... that wasn't my point but I guess it really doesn't matter to me how the voter ID to prove you are a citizen happens, so long as it's actually secure.You use you license to register and then you get either a pin code or a fob or a keychain scan card. Then to access the facility you use the pin or fob, not your ID... get it now?No.. It didn't. Because in order to get into the gym, you get scanned first before you use the services. Not after.Haha that analogy went right over your head. The gym door scan is equivalent to the name/signature at the polls. Neither involve the photo ID
Shelzin
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Well.. If it's true that people have been voting without an address or, that address doesn't exist, as an example... That's pretty damn unsecure. Not to mention we don't know for sure who we voted for. I know who I voted for, I do not know how it was counted. Or even IF it was counted. Do you want me to post the video again?How do you think it currently isn’t secure?
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Have moved a few times, Always have to prove who I am to get voter registration card. Sure its that way for most people.
Slade3200
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Do you have anything besides a video? I’m not in a good place to watch plus I find videos highly unreliable. Is there a court case or law or something that can be verified that you can show me?Well.. If it's true that people have been voting without an address or, that address doesn't exist, as an example... That's pretty damn unsecure. Not to mention we don't know for sure who we voted for. I know who I voted for, I do not know how it was counted. Or even IF it was counted. Do you want me to post the video again?How do you think it currently isn’t secure?
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Just to ensure it is the same person voting that register to vote.For most people, driver's licenses issued by the respective state and territorial governments have become the de facto identity cards, and are used for many identification purposes, such as when :
Individuals who do not drive are able to obtain an identification card with the same functions from the same state agency that issues driver's licenses. In addition, many schools issue student and teacher ID cards.
- purchasing alcohol and tobacco,
- opening bank accounts, and boarding planes,
- along with confirming a voter's identity in states with voter photo identification initiatives.
Identity document - Wikipedia
Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls.
Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exception
One of the ACLU's example: In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,”
House Dems Pass Bill To Federalize Vote By Mail & 'Override All State Voter ID Laws' - Patriot Newsfeed
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,” which Republicans have warned will compromise the integrity of future elections. In a vote along party lines the bill narrowly passed the Democrat majority in a vote 220-210. The bill “expands...patriotnewsfeed.com
The last point confirming a voter's identity will be under Federal law UNNECESSARY to vote.
So how many swing states for Trump/Biden election didn't require photo id?
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until,
in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted.
Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’;
No, Joe Biden Did Not Only Improve in Four Major Swing-State Cities | National Review
If you’re still looking for proof that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, you will need to do better than this.
you forgot you need an ID to register to vote,, so they already have an ID so why cant that be used to vote also??
Again – your thread premise fails as a false comparison fallacy.Anyone who drives has a gvt issued photo id, including poorer people.....good call.......we need Birth Certificates/etc to get a driver's license/etc...this is just basic COMMON SENSE--which the left doesn't have--for various reasons--one of which they think with their emotions and not their brainsFor most people, driver's licenses issued by the respective state and territorial governments have become the de facto identity cards, and are used for many identification purposes, such as when :
Individuals who do not drive are able to obtain an identification card with the same functions from the same state agency that issues driver's licenses. In addition, many schools issue student and teacher ID cards.
- purchasing alcohol and tobacco,
- opening bank accounts, and boarding planes,
- along with confirming a voter's identity in states with voter photo identification initiatives.
Identity document - Wikipedia
Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls.
Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exception
One of the ACLU's example: In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,”
House Dems Pass Bill To Federalize Vote By Mail & 'Override All State Voter ID Laws' - Patriot Newsfeed
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,” which Republicans have warned will compromise the integrity of future elections. In a vote along party lines the bill narrowly passed the Democrat majority in a vote 220-210. The bill “expands...patriotnewsfeed.com
The last point confirming a voter's identity will be under Federal law UNNECESSARY to vote.
So how many swing states for Trump/Biden election didn't require photo id?
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until,
in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted.
Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’;
No, Joe Biden Did Not Only Improve in Four Major Swing-State Cities | National Review
If you’re still looking for proof that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, you will need to do better than this.
It's anyone who does not have access to a car and does not have a driver's license, where some difficulty arises for a select number of that group.
USA Population of 2021 --- 332,225,037 of which nearly 70% have driver's license.Number of Licensed Drivers in US in 2023
In 2023 there are 243.4 million licensed drivers in the US, which includes 89% of US adults. That's up from 238.6 million in 2022.
View attachment 464893
Whether it’s the right to vote or the right to possess a firearm, both are fundamental rights immune form burdensome government regulation – requiring an ID to vote is an unwarranted burden on that right, just as requiring a license to possess a firearm is an unwarranted burden on the right to bear arms.
Shelzin
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No no.. See... I'm arguing this from my own stance. I want to be able to validate my own vote, I want anyone to be able to do that.Do you have anything besides a video? I’m not in a good place to watch plus I find videos highly unreliable. Is there a court case or law or something that can be verified that you can show me?
The thing with people voting without an address or one that doesn't exist feel free to look up on your own time. I feel no need to prove that or not.
I'm arguing this from a place of... This is stupid that we can't do this, and you would have to be a total fuck'n hack to believe this would be wrong or it would hurt our government in some way. I make no bones about that. I've posted the E-vote video so many times it's not funny... You've likely seen it.
progressive hunter
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its your premise thats a false comparison,,,Again – your thread premise fails as a false comparison fallacy.Anyone who drives has a gvt issued photo id, including poorer people.....good call.......we need Birth Certificates/etc to get a driver's license/etc...this is just basic COMMON SENSE--which the left doesn't have--for various reasons--one of which they think with their emotions and not their brainsFor most people, driver's licenses issued by the respective state and territorial governments have become the de facto identity cards, and are used for many identification purposes, such as when :
Individuals who do not drive are able to obtain an identification card with the same functions from the same state agency that issues driver's licenses. In addition, many schools issue student and teacher ID cards.
- purchasing alcohol and tobacco,
- opening bank accounts, and boarding planes,
- along with confirming a voter's identity in states with voter photo identification initiatives.
Identity document - Wikipedia
Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls.
Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exception
One of the ACLU's example: In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,”
House Dems Pass Bill To Federalize Vote By Mail & 'Override All State Voter ID Laws' - Patriot Newsfeed
House Democrats quietly passed a bill to federalize vote by mail and passed the “For the People Act,” which Republicans have warned will compromise the integrity of future elections. In a vote along party lines the bill narrowly passed the Democrat majority in a vote 220-210. The bill “expands...patriotnewsfeed.com
The last point confirming a voter's identity will be under Federal law UNNECESSARY to vote.
So how many swing states for Trump/Biden election didn't require photo id?
Trump’s victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were on target until,
in the middle of the night, counting was arbitrarily halted.
Miraculously, several hundred thousand votes – all for Biden – were mysteriously ‘found’;
No, Joe Biden Did Not Only Improve in Four Major Swing-State Cities | National Review
If you’re still looking for proof that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, you will need to do better than this.
It's anyone who does not have access to a car and does not have a driver's license, where some difficulty arises for a select number of that group.
USA Population of 2021 --- 332,225,037 of which nearly 70% have driver's license.Number of Licensed Drivers in US in 2023
In 2023 there are 243.4 million licensed drivers in the US, which includes 89% of US adults. That's up from 238.6 million in 2022.
View attachment 464893
Whether it’s the right to vote or the right to possess a firearm, both are fundamental rights immune form burdensome government regulation – requiring an ID to vote is an unwarranted burden on that right, just as requiring a license to possess a firearm is an unwarranted burden on the right to bear arms.
the ID to vote is to insure its you and that you only voted once,,
you can buy as many guns as you want anytime you want,,,
And you’re at liberty to unilaterally submit your ID to election officials if you so desire, but there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the state compelling other citizens to do the same as a condition of exercising one’s fundamental right to vote.No no.. See... I'm arguing this from my own stance. I want to be able to validate my own vote, I want anyone to be able to do that.Do you have anything besides a video? I’m not in a good place to watch plus I find videos highly unreliable. Is there a court case or law or something that can be verified that you can show me?
The thing with people voting without an address or one that doesn't exist feel free to look up on your own time. I feel no need to prove that or not.
I'm arguing this from a place of... This is stupid that we can't do this, and you would have to be a total fuck'n hack to believe this would be wrong or it would hurt our government in some way. I make no bones about that. I've posted the E-vote video so many times it's not funny... You've likely seen it.
This is how:How do you remove legal voters?Voter IDs are such a 20 yr old voter suppression tactic. Nearly everyone has them now.
Now they're trying to REMOVE legal voters from the voter rolls
Purges: A Growing Threat to the Right to Vote
Voter purges are an often-flawed process of cleaning up voter rolls by deleting names from registration lists. Done badly, they can prevent eligible people from casting a ballot that counts.
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There is debate around that because of privacy issues. For them to keep a record of your vote means they would need to keep a database storing every persons vote which some would consider a privacy issue and security vulnerability.No no.. See... I'm arguing this from my own stance. I want to be able to validate my own vote, I want anyone to be able to do that.Do you have anything besides a video? I’m not in a good place to watch plus I find videos highly unreliable. Is there a court case or law or something that can be verified that you can show me?
The thing with people voting without an address or one that doesn't exist feel free to look up on your own time. I feel no need to prove that or not.
I'm arguing this from a place of... This is stupid that we can't do this, and you would have to be a total fuck'n hack to believe this would be wrong or it would hurt our government in some way. I make no bones about that. I've posted the E-vote video so many times it's not funny... You've likely seen it.
I don’t know where you’re getting the address thing about but to get a ballot in the mail or on the voter rolls for a precinct you need to register with a valid license and address
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