"You´ll be a field wife (institute of sex services for soviet WW2 officers, Zhukov and all other stalin´s generals had the FW) ." Pleasure of putin´s

[ESay]

And "38 parallel" at Zbruch river? Highly unlikely. Russia won't accept it without demilitarisation of the whole Eastern Europe, and Xiden is too stupid to make a deal with the Russians.

Roughly at the current frontline. A deal with the Russians is pointless. Security in Europe should be guaranteed by military and economic means, not some senseless deals.

Demilitarization of the Eastern Europe.. Dude, it is a political forum not a clown show.

 

[Litwin]

Roughly at the current frontline. A deal with the Russians is pointless. Security in Europe should be guaranteed by military and economic means, not some senseless deals.

Demilitarization of the Eastern Europe.. Dude, it is a political forum not a clown show.

Decolonize Russia

To avoid more senseless bloodshed, the Kremlin must lose what empire it still retains.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Litwin]

Russia won't accept it without demilitarisation

 

[Silver Cat]

Roughly at the current frontline. A deal with the Russians is pointless. Security in Europe should be guaranteed by military and economic means, not some senseless deals.

Demilitarization of the Eastern Europe.. Dude, it is a political forum not a clown show.

Ukraine, with all foreign support, can't hold the whole frontline forever anyway.
Russia, allied with China and 85% of the world can't be defeated economically. Nuclear Russia can't be defeated military (at least with Xiden's administration). So, there will be peace acceptable for Russia, or there won't be any peace at all.

 

[Silver Cat]

Decolonize Russia

To avoid more senseless bloodshed, the Kremlin must lose what empire it still retains.

www.theatlantic.com

Sure. That's why the Russians don't consider this bloodshed as "senseless". They have pretty traumatic experience about such "decolonizators" - Hitler, Napoleon, Charles XII, Sigismond II, and many, many others.

 

[Litwin]

Sure. That's why the Russians don't consider this bloodshed as "senseless". They have pretty traumatic experience about such "decolonizators" - Hitler, Napoleon, Charles XII, Sigismond II, and many, many others.

DONT LISTEN PAPUANS "MUSIC " IVAN

SOME FACTS : AFTER INDUSTRIALIZATION , YOU HORDE FOUGHT 3 BIG WARS, AND ALL YOU LOST . you know that ussr was a Marxist empire and had nothing to do with Romanov (the real surname kobyla) ´s ulus

Moscow horde´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

 

[Silver Cat]

As we enter the 14th month of Putin's 3 day war, the question is, how long? With the Russian military clearly inferior to the Ukrainian military and the Russian political leadership clearly inferior to the Ukrainian leadership, and by nearly all reports the Russian economy beginning to collapse, how long will the Russian people allow Putin to hold them hostage while he tries to escape responsibility for his colossal **** up of invading Ukraine?

They don't think that it is any sort of **** up. They'd "liberated" millions of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine, and believe that they are going to liberate much more soon. It's going pretty well, much better than in 1941-42, where they fought at Moscow outskirts.

Now, when German tanks came on the Russian soil, they are expecting that the Russians tanks will come on the German soil.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine, with all foreign support, can't hold the whole frontline forever anyway.
Russia, allied with China and 85% of the world can't be defeated economically. Nuclear Russia can't be defeated military (at least with Xiden's administration). So, there will be peace acceptable for Russia, or there won't be any peace at all.

sure you with red hans together

will putin send T-34 against the leopards , other our modern tanks? if yes, what chances they´ll have on the battlefield ? I PICTURES MADE IN ussr

will putin send T-34 against the leopards and other our modern tanks? if yes, what chances they will have on the battlefield ? MADE IN ussr coffins

www.usmessageboard.com

Putin has send MADE IN 1943 IS-3 tanks to front-line in Ukraine to contra Free World Leopard 2A6 & Challenger2 tanks

are you a trumpist , yes or no ? No, I'm a guitarist. You're neither witty nor intelligent enough to keep my interest, Nitwit.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Silver Cat]

DONT LISTEN PAPUANS "MUSIC " IVAN

SOME FACTS : AFTER INDUSTRIALIZATION , YOU HORDE FOUGHT 3 BIG WARS, AND ALL YOU LOST . you know that ussr was a Marxist empire and had nothing to do with Romanov (the real surname kobyla) ´s ulus

Moscow horde´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

You see, Russians are Orks. They don't care if they are beaten. They will just make another attempt.

 

[Litwin]

You see, Russians are Orks. They don't care if they are beaten. They will just make another attempt.

 

[ESay]

Ukraine, with all foreign support, can't hold the whole frontline forever anyway.
Russia, allied with China and 85% of the world can't be defeated economically. Nuclear Russia can't be defeated military (at least with Xiden's administration). So, there will be peace acceptable for Russia, or there won't be any peace at all.

'Forever'.. what a silly rhetoric. In the current shape the AFU is in a vulnerable position. But with enough number of military hardware and ammunition, air defence systems it has a chance. Especially if significant deal of efforts will be put in developing defence positions.

This 'peace' will be acceptable for Russia, because it can't do too much about that. They will keep the occupied territories. The Russian propaganda will declare that as a victory.

But the Putin clique will have to tolerate enlarged NATO, strengthened Eastern NATO flank maybe with permanent American presence there, hostile Ukrainian government and militarized Ukraine.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Why Korean 'truce' was possible is because the two warring sides found it impossible for further advancements.

Yes, the US guarantees also played a significant role. Something similar I expect in this case, without direct involvement of the US and NATO troops. Arms supplies, training and similar stuff.

Ukraine will never recognize the occupied territories to be part of Russia. But at this stage the most important thing is to preserve the Ukrainian state in some meaning form.

The US support of South Korea is the only reason the North has not invaded and taken control of South Korea. Siminarly, there was no deal that could have been made with Russia that would have preserved Ukraine in 2014, as we have seen, and there is no deal to be made with Russia that would preserve Ukraine now. If Ukraine cannot stop the Russians on the battlefield, then Russia will eventually take all of Ukraine, and Ukraine cannot stop Russia without support, weapons and ammo, from the West.

Let's not be distracted by Putin's bullshit about what caused this war. Putin invaded because the Ukrainian government refused to be ruled by the Kremlin. Any deal with Russia that leaves Ukraine vulnerable to Russian attack will lead to all of Ukraine being taken over by Russia, and any Ukrainian who talks about Ukrainian sovereignty or independence will be branded a Nazi and thrown in prison or worse. Clearly, there is no deal to be made with Russia that will preserve Ukraine as a sovereign state.

 

[Silver Cat]

The US support of South Korea is the only reason the North has not invaded and taken control of South Korea. Siminarly, there was no deal that could have been made with Russia that would have preserved Ukraine in 2014, as we have seen, and there is no deal to be made with Russia that would preserve Ukraine now. If Ukraine cannot stop the Russians on the battlefield, then Russia will eventually take all of Ukraine, and Ukraine cannot stop Russia without support, weapons and ammo, from the West.

Let's not be distracted by Putin's bullshit about what caused this war. Putin invaded because the Ukrainian government refused to be ruled by the Kremlin. Any deal with Russia that leaves Ukraine vulnerable to Russian attack will lead to all of Ukraine being taken over by Russia, and any Ukrainian who talks about Ukrainian sovereignty or independence will be branded a Nazi and thrown in prison or worse. Clearly, there is no deal to be made with Russia that will preserve Ukraine as a sovereign state.

Yes, without mutually (RU-USA) acceptable solution Russia will conquer the whole Ukraine. The only problem that they won't stop there.

 

[ESay]

The US support of South Korea is the only reason the North has not invaded and taken control of South Korea. Siminarly, there was no deal that could have been made with Russia that would have preserved Ukraine in 2014, as we have seen, and there is no deal to be made with Russia that would preserve Ukraine now. If Ukraine cannot stop the Russians on the battlefield, then Russia will eventually take all of Ukraine, and Ukraine cannot stop Russia without support, weapons and ammo, from the West.

Let's not be distracted by Putin's bullshit about what caused this war. Putin invaded because the Ukrainian government refused to be ruled by the Kremlin. Any deal with Russia that leaves Ukraine vulnerable to Russian attack will lead to all of Ukraine being taken over by Russia, and any Ukrainian who talks about Ukrainian sovereignty or independence will be branded a Nazi and thrown in prison or worse. Clearly, there is no deal to be made with Russia that will preserve Ukraine as a sovereign state.

I agree with what you wrote here. And my point wasn't about some deal with Russia. This deal is absolutely useless and the very idea of it is quite ridiculous.

But in order to liberate the territories, Ukraine needs virtually new army. On NATO standards, with aviation, contemporary air defense systems, with enough number of tanks, artillery and ammunition to them. With firm and stable production of this items. Not delayed deliveries of handful of pieces per weeks as it happens now. Without that this war will be just a meat grinder and nothing more.

In its current form this war has become meaningless. No one side is able to do significant advances.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes, without mutually (RU-USA) acceptable solution Russia will conquer the whole Ukraine. The only problem that they won't stop there.

Wake up! Russia is being stopped in Ukraine right now.

 

[Silver Cat]

Wake up! Russia is being stopped in Ukraine right now.

Really? As far as I know, Russia is just warming up.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I agree with what you wrote here. And my point wasn't about some deal with Russia. This deal is absolutely useless and the very idea of it is quite ridiculous.

But in order to liberate the territories, Ukraine needs virtually new army. On NATO standards, with aviation, contemporary air defense systems, with enough number of tanks, artillery and ammunition to them. With firm and stable production of this items. Not delayed deliveries of handful of pieces per weeks as it happens now. Without that this war will be just a meat grinder and nothing more.

In its current form this war has become meaningless. No one side is able to do significant advances.

Russia's original objective was to capture Kiev and install its own government, but Ukrainian resistance forced Russia to downgrade its objectives to holding on to Crimea and trying to capture the Donbass, and now it is unable to do that. Considering what the world thought Ukraine's chances of survival were at the beginning of the war, Russia's inability to achieve any of its goals has to be considered a Ukrainian victory.

I'd go further and say Ukraine is currently winning this "grinding" war. Russia cannot replace the weapons systems it is losing on the battlefield, while Ukraine's allies are slowly increasing the quality and quantity of weapons they are sending to Ukraine, so the trajectory of the war is that Ukraine will eventually have a stronger military force in the field than Russia will be able to muster. Imo, everything favors an eventual Ukrainian victory.

 

[Silver Cat]

Russia's original objective was to capture Kiev and install its own government, but Ukrainian resistance forced Russia to downgrade its objectives to holding on to Crimea and trying to capture the Donbass, and now it is unable to do that. Considering what the world thought Ukraine's chances of survival were at the beginning of the war, Russia's inability to achieve any of its goals has to be considered a Ukrainian victory.

I'd go further and say Ukraine is currently winning this "grinding" war. Russia cannot replace the weapons systems it is losing on the battlefield, while Ukraine's allies are slowly increasing the quality and quantity of weapons they are sending to Ukraine, so the trajectory of the war is that Ukraine will eventually have a stronger military force in the field than Russia will be able to muster. Imo, everything favors an eventual Ukrainian victory.

Russia's goals were (and still are) :
1) In Ukraine - denazification, demilitarisation and deNATOfication.
2) In Europe - returning NATO's military (first of all - missile) infrastructure back to the 1997 borders.
3) In the world - degradation of the US dominance and building the "multipolar world".

And there are no signs that the Russians are tired or refused to achieve their goals. Russia produce brand new weapons and slowly grinder Ukrainian (and Polish) meat.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Russia's goals were (and still are) :
1) In Ukraine - denazification, demilitarisation and deNATOfication.
2) In Europe - returning NATO's military (first of all - missile) infrastructure back to the 1997 borders.
3) In the world - degradation of the US dominance and building the "multipolar world".

And there are no signs that the Russians are tired or refused to achieve their goals. Russia produce brand new weapons and slowly grinder Ukrainian (and Polish) meat.

Russia is clearly unable to achieve any of its goals in Ukraine and that is why you are foolishly trying to intimidate the West into abandoning Ukraine with your nuclear bullshit.

 

[ESay]

Russia's original objective was to capture Kiev and install its own government, but Ukrainian resistance forced Russia to downgrade its objectives to holding on to Crimea and trying to capture the Donbass, and now it is unable to do that. Considering what the world thought Ukraine's chances of survival were at the beginning of the war, Russia's inability to achieve any of its goals has to be considered a Ukrainian victory.

I'd go further and say Ukraine is currently winning this "grinding" war. Russia cannot replace the weapons systems it is losing on the battlefield, while Ukraine's allies are slowly increasing the quality and quantity of weapons they are sending to Ukraine, so the trajectory of the war is that Ukraine will eventually have a stronger military force in the field than Russia will be able to muster. Imo, everything favors an eventual Ukrainian victory.

As a whole, I agree with what you are saying. Not sure about the 'grinding' war, though.

Okay, let's wait and see what the coming Ukrainian counter-offensive will look like, of what scale it will be if any, and what consequences it will have on the battlefield.