You Don't Understand ...

[Bush92]

I have been hearing this for years and the Ferguson incident has only highlighted this for me. When a White person brings up common sense on social issues in the Black community such as : 70+%of children born out of wedlock , crime and gang culture, or personal responsibility , the answer you get from the left is, "your not Black, you don't understand." That's an "avoid the issue"argument, just like when liberals are losing an argument to a conservative they scream "racist" and walk away. I do understand. I understand I am a tax paying citizen of my community,state, and nation. I have a stake in this. Anybody else feel the frustration?

 

[Mac1958]

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The predictable result of the isolation that is forced on blacks from the day they're born. They're effectively separated from American society and "kept" in a cultural vacuum. A few manage to escape, but most do not.

So, they're essentially right. Their isolation from the rest of society does make it very difficult for people outside of their vacuum to understand what is like in there. The reverse holds true as well, of course.

They've been victimized twice in our nation's history, and it's horrible. What a ******* waste.

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[Youch]

I have been hearing this for years and the Ferguson incident has only highlighted this for me. When a White person brings up common sense on social issues in the Black community such as : 70+%of children born out of wedlock , crime and gang culture, or personal responsibility , the answer you get from the left is, "your not Black, you don't understand." That's an "avoid the issue"argument, just like when liberals are losing an argument to a conservative they scream "racist" and walk away. I do understand. I understand I am a tax paying citizen of my community,state, and nation. I have a stake in this. Anybody else feel the frustration?

Yes, in spades!!! (pun not intended)

Libs CANNOT justify their ideology on the grounds of fact, history or reason. They are left with emotion, spin, ad hominems and deceit. I LOVE debating that exact issue, as it is so easy to prove.

 

[Bush92]

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The predictable result of the isolation that is forced on blacks from the day they're born. They're effectively separated from American society and "kept" in a cultural vacuum. A few manage to escape, but most do not.

So, they're essentially right. Their isolation from the rest of society does make it very difficult for people outside of their vacuum to understand what is like in there. The reverse holds true as well, of course.

They've been victimized twice in our nation's history, and it's horrible. What a ******* waste.

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It's self imposed isolation, not dejure segregation. There's that word victim again. Birds of a feather flock together. Irish, Italian,Mexican, German, Swedish,Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indian,...all these groups have managed to achieve economic independence. Liberals have put Blacks into generational welfare dependence. Also you avoided all three of the major issues I brought up in my post.

 

[CitizenSeven]

There's absolutely no doubt that there are physical differences between the races. Besides the obvious one of skin, there are skeletal as well as susceptability to different diseases. In addition, while more controversial, there are intellectual differences as well. This is often dismissed as test bias, as well as the ability to point to outliers (~3 SD from mean) in any subset of the various races. It is also an uncomfortable truth, as it brings into question the belief that "all men are created equal", forgetting that applies to rights not abilities. Is it so far-fetched that there may be inherent statistical differences between the races in the ability to be socialized, and hence ability to function in a technologically advanced civilization as a group?

 

[Bush92]

I have always found it interesting, for instance, that Asian student super excel at math and engineering. But I think if we understand this an not use cop out rhetoric , then we can be the better for it.

 

[Mac1958]

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The predictable result of the isolation that is forced on blacks from the day they're born. They're effectively separated from American society and "kept" in a cultural vacuum. A few manage to escape, but most do not.

So, they're essentially right. Their isolation from the rest of society does make it very difficult for people outside of their vacuum to understand what is like in there. The reverse holds true as well, of course.

They've been victimized twice in our nation's history, and it's horrible. What a ******* waste.

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It's self imposed isolation, not dejure segregation. There's that word victim again. Birds of a feather flock together. Irish, Italian,Mexican, German, Swedish,Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indian,...all these groups have managed to achieve economic independence. Liberals have put Blacks into generational welfare dependence. Also you avoided all three of the major issues I brought up in my post.

I'm not trying to avoid anything, I addressed your post on macro level. Ask a specific question.

It's not just a self-imposed isolation. The American Left reinforces it with the screams of "racism" to which you referred in your post, that's my point. The Left defends the self-destructive behavior that is crippling blacks and it all feeds on itself, it grows and grows.

The isolation is destructive in two ways: It increases animosity by blacks for anyone who is either not in their vacuum or reinforcing it, and it increases animosity by anyone who is outside of the vacuum and just trying to live their lives. We end up with questions like yours, which is essentially "WTF"?

A vicious cycle that does nothing but grow and divide us further.

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[LoneLaugher]

Yeah, Mac. The left isolates minorities. Absolutely! You've figured it all out.

 

[Bush92]

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The predictable result of the isolation that is forced on blacks from the day they're born. They're effectively separated from American society and "kept" in a cultural vacuum. A few manage to escape, but most do not.

So, they're essentially right. Their isolation from the rest of society does make it very difficult for people outside of their vacuum to understand what is like in there. The reverse holds true as well, of course.

They've been victimized twice in our nation's history, and it's horrible. What a ******* waste.

.

It's self imposed isolation, not dejure segregation. There's that word victim again. Birds of a feather flock together. Irish, Italian,Mexican, German, Swedish,Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indian,...all these groups have managed to achieve economic independence. Liberals have put Blacks into generational welfare dependence. Also you avoided all three of the major issues I brought up in my post.

I'm not trying to avoid anything, I addressed your post on macro level. Ask a specific question.

It's not just a self-imposed isolation. The American Left reinforces it with the screams of "racism" to which you referred in your post, that's my point. The Left defends the self-destructive behavior that is crippling blacks and it all feeds on itself, it grows and grows.

The isolation is destructive in two ways: It increases animosity by blacks for anyone who is either not in their vacuum or reinforcing it, and it increases animosity by anyone who is outside of the vacuum and just trying to live their lives. We end up with questions like yours, which is essentially "WTF"?

A vicious cycle that does nothing but grow and divide us further.

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I got ya now. Thanks.

 

[Bush92]

The liberal policies of Democrats contribute to isolation like Mac says, but personal responsibility issues remain. I do understand, that, and I do understand the pressure the lack of responsibility puts on rest of society because Blacks and liberals keep making excuses. And most of the isolation is self imposed.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There's absolutely no doubt that there are physical differences between the races. Besides the obvious one of skin, there are skeletal as well as susceptability to different diseases. In addition, while more controversial, there are intellectual differences as well. This is often dismissed as test bias, as well as the ability to point to outliers (~3 SD from mean) in any subset of the various races. It is also an uncomfortable truth, as it brings into question the belief that "all men are created equal", forgetting that applies to rights not abilities. Is it so far-fetched that there may be inherent statistical differences between the races in the ability to be socialized, and hence ability to function in a technologically advanced civilization as a group?

Wouldn't that be cool if it were true? Then we could send black children to vocational pre-school and teach them their limitations from day one. Of course...since they can't function in groups....they'll need to be separated from their families and placed with white overseers. The outliers.....the ones who must have some white blood in them.....can earn the right to live with other blacks with good behavior.

 

[USNavyVet]

I have been hearing this for years and the Ferguson incident has only highlighted this for me. When a White person brings up common sense on social issues in the Black community such as : 70+%of children born out of wedlock , crime and gang culture, or personal responsibility , the answer you get from the left is, "your not Black, you don't understand." That's an "avoid the issue"argument, just like when liberals are losing an argument to a conservative they scream "racist" and walk away. I do understand. I understand I am a tax paying citizen of my community,state, and nation. I have a stake in this. Anybody else feel the frustration?

The problem is you are using facts. The left and Democrats in particular use emotion to sell and unfortunately in the ignorant masses emotion wins over facts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I have been hearing this for years and the Ferguson incident has only highlighted this for me. When a White person brings up common sense on social issues in the Black community such as : 70+%of children born out of wedlock , crime and gang culture, or personal responsibility , the answer you get from the left is, "your not Black, you don't understand." That's an "avoid the issue"argument, just like when liberals are losing an argument to a conservative they scream "racist" and walk away. I do understand. I understand I am a tax paying citizen of my community,state, and nation. I have a stake in this. Anybody else feel the frustration?

This fails as both a hasty generalization fallacy and a straw man fallacy.

The factors contributing to issues in the African-American community are complex and varied, there is no single set of 'causes' nor are there quick and easy 'solutions.'

Children being born out of wedlock does not in all cases contribute to poverty, nor is this unique to the African-American community, hence the failure of your 'argument.' Nor is 'crime and gang culture' representative of all African-Americans, and it's incorrect to infer that African-Americans don't practice 'personal responsibility.'

Let's review your fallacies and why the premise of your thread fails:

Hasty generalization fallacy: that all African-Americans are comprehensively effected by such factors as children born out of wedlock, that all African-Americans subscribe to a 'culture' of 'crime and gangs,' that all African-Americans eschew 'personal responsibility,' and that all 'liberals' respond 'the same'


Straw man fallacy: you ignore the actual 'liberal' position on the issue and contrive instead a misrepresentation of that position.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There's absolutely no doubt that there are physical differences between the races. Besides the obvious one of skin, there are skeletal as well as susceptability to different diseases. In addition, while more controversial, there are intellectual differences as well. This is often dismissed as test bias, as well as the ability to point to outliers (~3 SD from mean) in any subset of the various races. It is also an uncomfortable truth, as it brings into question the belief that "all men are created equal", forgetting that applies to rights not abilities. Is it so far-fetched that there may be inherent statistical differences between the races in the ability to be socialized, and hence ability to function in a technologically advanced civilization as a group?

Incorrect.


Race doesn't matter.


In fact, it doesn't even exist in humans.


While that may sound like the idealistic decree of a minister or rabbi, it's actually the conclusion of an evolutionary and population biologist at Washington University.


Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts and Sciences, has analyzed DNA from global human populations that reveal the patterns of human evolution over the past one million years. He shows that while there is plenty of genetic variation in humans, most of the variation is individual variation. While between-population variation exists, it is either too small, which is a quantitative variation, or it is not the right type of qualitative variation -- it does not mark historical sublineages of humanity.


Using the latest molecular biology techniques, Templeton has analyzed millions of genetic sequences found in three distinct types of human DNA and concludes that, in the scientific sense, there is no such thing as race.


Biological differences among races do not exist WU research shows

 

[Theowl32]

The ironic part is when the left say, "We need to have an honest discussion about race in this country......"

They do not want to have an honest discussion about anything when it comes to the status of race relations in this country. They cannot even acknowledge the race profiteers who exploit their grievances day and night for their personal gain. They certainly have no real concept of personal responsibility or accountability. The other side of the sword when it comes to freedom.

Of course, I am generalizing. Cause quite frankly many blacks in this country take on personal responsibility. They, are called uncle Toms. They are considered betrayers of their race. I think Ben Carson is great. I would gladly vote for him. I voted for Allen West, who is anywhere between 50 times to 100 times more qualified to be president over the socialist in chief in office now.

I would like someone to tell me why the NAACP (which is suppose to be neutral) does not honor Condoleezza Rice. She was APPOINTED to the highest office in the land that a black woman has ever held. A BLACK WOMAN. Instead that institution honors the Jena 6?

LOL at THOSE PEOPLE saying they want an "honest discussion" about race relations. They just want a discussion that fits the myth that the democrats have perpetuated for 50 years. They want the right to acknowledge that they are nothing but victims. Have always been victims, and will always be victims. That, is the narrative that is propagated, and the narrative that has gained power for many democrats. They know it, we know it, and the only ones that seem to not know it are the ones that are convinced of it.

They need the victimology to keep being pushed. They will push it and push it. The notion that they get this or that or the other will wake them up to the fact that they no longer victims is the myth. They have their own colleges, they have their own television network (could you imagine if there was a channel called the "White Entertainment Network"), they have a month that honors their history (ironic how we cannot teach the truth about how the Transatlantic slave trade began), we have a black president, there are black lawyers, there are black doctors, countless black millionaires, and the notion of them being victims has never been pushed more.

We are nowhere in this country. Honest discussion? All THOSE PEOPLE want is a dishonest discussion about their plight.

 

[haissem123]

I have always found it interesting, for instance, that Asian student super excel at math and engineering. But I think if we understand this an not use cop out rhetoric , then we can be the better for it.

a computer excels at match and logic and engineering etc.. but the computers, like many of us, has no real soul so it's not human. it's time to solve all the problems by getting rid of all the soulish sheep following the tyranical rule of any that beats you all down.

 

[Bush92]

I have been hearing this for years and the Ferguson incident has only highlighted this for me. When a White person brings up common sense on social issues in the Black community such as : 70+%of children born out of wedlock , crime and gang culture, or personal responsibility , the answer you get from the left is, "your not Black, you don't understand." That's an "avoid the issue"argument, just like when liberals are losing an argument to a conservative they scream "racist" and walk away. I do understand. I understand I am a tax paying citizen of my community,state, and nation. I have a stake in this. Anybody else feel the frustration?

This fails as both a hasty generalization fallacy and a straw man fallacy.

The factors contributing to issues in the African-American community are complex and varied, there is no single set of 'causes' nor are there quick and easy 'solutions.'

Children being born out of wedlock does not in all cases contribute to poverty, nor is this unique to the African-American community, hence the failure of your 'argument.' Nor is 'crime and gang culture' representative of all African-Americans, and it's incorrect to infer that African-Americans don't practice 'personal responsibility.'

Let's review your fallacies and why the premise of your thread fails:

Hasty generalization fallacy: that all African-Americans are comprehensively effected by such factors as children born out of wedlock, that all African-Americans subscribe to a 'culture' of 'crime and gangs,' that all African-Americans eschew 'personal responsibility,' and that all 'liberals' respond 'the same'


Straw man fallacy: you ignore the actual 'liberal' position on the issue and contrive instead a misrepresentation of that position.

It's not just Blacks affected by this but the taxpayers of the whole nation. 80+ %of Blacks came to the defense of the Ferguson perp Brown. That shows a lack of responsibility. The things I mentioned are ingrained as representations of the Black community because they make excuses instead of solving the problem. Those problems are NOT complex. Very simple. Weed out the bad elements and stop making excuses when people complain such ad, " you don't understand." Children born out of wedlock in almost all cases leads to poverty. I have posted those stats from federal government before BTW.

 

[Bush92]

I have been hearing this for years and the Ferguson incident has only highlighted this for me. When a White person brings up common sense on social issues in the Black community such as : 70+%of children born out of wedlock , crime and gang culture, or personal responsibility , the answer you get from the left is, "your not Black, you don't understand." That's an "avoid the issue"argument, just like when liberals are losing an argument to a conservative they scream "racist" and walk away. I do understand. I understand I am a tax paying citizen of my community,state, and nation. I have a stake in this. Anybody else feel the frustration?

This fails as both a hasty generalization fallacy and a straw man fallacy.

The factors contributing to issues in the African-American community are complex and varied, there is no single set of 'causes' nor are there quick and easy 'solutions.'

Children being born out of wedlock does not in all cases contribute to poverty, nor is this unique to the African-American community, hence the failure of your 'argument.' Nor is 'crime and gang culture' representative of all African-Americans, and it's incorrect to infer that African-Americans don't practice 'personal responsibility.'

Let's review your fallacies and why the premise of your thread fails:

Hasty generalization fallacy: that all African-Americans are comprehensively effected by such factors as children born out of wedlock, that all African-Americans subscribe to a 'culture' of 'crime and gangs,' that all African-Americans eschew 'personal responsibility,' and that all 'liberals' respond 'the same'


Straw man fallacy: you ignore the actual 'liberal' position on the issue and contrive instead a misrepresentation of that position.

The liberal position on the issue is to waste more tax dollars by pumping them into Black communities, before those communities clean themselves up. Otherwise the money is wasted.

 

[haissem123]

You sound like my father. I thought he was full of crap too. saying how they are all baby makers out of wedlock etc... I work with some of them and like them. The ones I know have 2 jobs and one out of three has many babies and continues to make more.I had an out of wedlock child so who am I to talk. although I see mine as much as possible and teach him right from wrong. I know your saying what you feel is best for us not them, but some one of their own should tell them and not bill cosby that uncle tom sob. lol. don't give me your tax dollar crap because we waste much more on corporate welfare and war machines not to mention Israel aid and other fake friend nations.

 

[haissem123]

im using them because that's how I was taught to refer to other non white humans. sorry no offense and not by my father by my society.