"You didn't get there on your own"

[Inthemiddle]

Or you saying Dredd Scott was Constitutional?

Yes, it was. Eventually, the constitution was amended.

Or are you saying Citizens UNITED is Constitutional?

Yes, is. Perhaps one day the constitution will be amended if the will of the people is so strong as to do so.

(can't wait to see libs double talk their way out of that!)

Don't hold your breath.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's a question for all those who think "society" trained my employees.

Since "society" is responsible for training my people so I can "make money off them" does society have any responsibility when an employee ***** up and costs me money?

I only ask because I caught an employee mistake last month that cost me over 700 dollars

So all of you can pay up.

How many of your employees had no schooling before you hired them?

 

[JoeNormal]

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Obama is taking an interesting and dangerous approach on the campaign trail, telling successful business owners that they "didn't get there on their own", that their success is predicated in part on the labor and efforts (and taxes) of others. This gives the GOP an opening to say, "see, he hates business owners, we told you so."

On the other hand, it opens up a national conversation that I've never seen before, building on Elizabeth Warren's comments as she runs for office.

This tactic is flying right into the teeth of the GOP's strength, that business and employers are the key to economic success. He's betting that the GOP, so controlled by absolutists right now, is going to look anti-ALL workers, not just union.

Pretty brave, and I think it's a good conversation to have.

Obama Mocks Rich: 'You Didn't Get There On Your Own'

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Oh he totally screwed himself with that comment...

He basically insulted every self-made successful individual when he said that.

It really goes to show how fucked up Obama actually is and it sheds light on the notion that he certainly believes that government should play a central role in every individuals life and that government should play a central role in every business...

He may as well should have came out and said: "you don't make you successful - government makes you successful."

Obama is such an arrogant piece of shit....

That's probably the way most conservatives would interpret it because they tend to think in black-and-white. But then, conservatives won't be voting for Obama anyway.

 

[Murf76]

Actually, the "Self-Made" myth was used by American families who climbed up the ladder using the full benefits of public investments but who - once they reached the top - no longer wanted to pay into the system that benefited them.

Ronald Reagan is a perfect example. He grew up in a poor family that was on the way to being crushed by the Great Depression. Reagan's father was saved by an FDR work program - a BIG Government work program literally saved Ronald Reagan. FDR's theory was that the American people had greatness inside them. And that all you needed to do was give them a leg-up during hdd times, than then they would survive and thrive. FDR called it an investment in human capital. Do you think this nation's public or government investment in the Reagan family paid off? But it wasn't just the Reagans. Countless returning veterans from WWII were put to work by Republican presidents like Eisenhower building this nation's interstate's and energy grids and water plants. Big Government put jobless people to work building modern industrial America - and all of today's profit makers are dependent on ll the advantages of a modern industrial state. Indeed, there was a massive public investment in turning America into the most technologically advanced nation earth. This had a huge multiplier effect enjoyed by business. Today, however, we don't invest in infrastructure; nope - we just sell it to China because of the free market logic of selling to the highest bidder. [You ******* morons. The market isn't patriotic. It will sell everything you own until you lose your country to outsiders]

Private profits in the Southwest would not exist but for the Hoover Dam. The technology that fueled the 80s consumer electronics boom came out of the Cold War Pentagon/NASA. All the people who profit wildly because of these public investments use the self-made myth to avoid paying anything back. Therefore,, we have to cut education and let new infrastructureprojects go unfinished so that we can keep letting the wealthy walk away with everything. The country is dying because we have been taken over by an Ayn Rand narrative which 100% ignores how dependent business and the wealthy are on the Public.

When America was at it's economic apex in the 50s and 60s, there was a proud and successful partnership between business and government. Indeed, business craves this partnership. This is why they build massive lobbying bases in Washington, so they can suckle at the public teet in the back of the room; and then they slither out of that dark room pockets stuffed with public money, and they use the "self-made" myth so they don't have to pay taxes on all the benefits they're sucking from the system.

The anti-tax revolution has always been about maximizing what you take from government and the public, but paying as little back as possible. This includes moving all your profits offshore, like Romney. The point is to suck this country dry. To use all it's free resources, and then not pay anything back to future. This has been going on for 30 years, It was the point of the Reagan Revolution: to increase what the private sector takes from the pubic (in terms of subsidies, bail-outs, and regulatory favors) while radically decreasing what they pay back.

And it was kind of funny to watch it happen. As the wealthy began to gain control over more and more wealth, they also gained control of the Republican Party, who now 100% works for this small collection of ultra wealthy corporate interests. They began shipping jobs to freedom-hating labor markets (mostly in communist China) in order to realize a higher return on investment. Companies like Bain were essential to this transfer of jobs to China on behalf of a small collection of American investors. All the while they'd say "give us tax cuts, and we'll give you more jobs." So we gave them more and more tax cuts and they'd ship more and more jobs to China. It was hoax, and only naive people who listened to talk radio and FOX News bought it.

This is not a complicated story. The wealthy took over this country. They bought Washington and mass media. They locked down our laws and then they used media to promote the "self-made" myth to keep from having to pay back all the resources and subsidies they sucked from the system. (You people have no idea how much they rely on publicly funded infrastructure and public subsidies and public FDIC laws and public regulations which provect their monopolies.) The only way they get away with this shit is because Republican voters don't know how to question their information sources. We are still living under the essential logic of the Reagan Revolution. Tax cuts and deregulation. The result has been to concentrate all the wealth and resources into the hands of avery smaller group. And then these ******* billionaires who own the political system and mass media claim to be John Gault so that we give them even more money and resources.

We call them job creators. This is such a ******* joke. They've been job shippers since Reagan.

What's really amazing about the useful idiots Democrats keep like sheep... is that they CAN'T SEE how Democrat policies keep them poor. You think big corporations are concerned about taxation or regulatory law?
Nope. They've got cadres of lawyers to lead them through the regulatory jungle and the ability to pass onerous taxation off onto consumers by raising prices. The little guy that your local Democrat snake-oil salesman claims to support is the guy who gets squeezed out.

You guys have got this whole thing ass-backwards, never comprehending that all the policies you support HELP the corporate climate you purport to despise. They're USING federal power to eliminate smaller competitors and you sit there with your thumbs up your butts whining about how poor you're getting.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Here's a question for all those who think "society" trained my employees.

Since "society" is responsible for training my people so I can "make money off them" does society have any responsibility when an employee ***** up and costs me money?

I only ask because I caught an employee mistake last month that cost me over 700 dollars

So all of you can pay up.

How many of your employees had no schooling before you hired them?

You didn't answer my question.

Is "society " responsible for the loss caused by my employee that "society" supposedly "trained"?

 

[Full-Auto]

Yikes.

I think the foundational issue is...

All, hell with it.

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The foundational issue is that Democrats are economically to the left of the Vietnam Communists who have embraced Free Enterprise

The foundational issue is that you are a liar. You know damn well that Democrats aren't calling for socialism. What they are calling for is what they believe would be a more healthy balance within our MIXED economic system. The fact that you can't address them on that front that not only are you completely ignorant and intellectually deplete, but that your own position is as weak as wet spagetti holding a ton of feathers.

Please explain that healthy balance. My figures show you are full of shit.

Thiose figures can be found at the US DEPT OF TREASURY.

Ahalf trillion in interest payments. So that balance is where?


All you have to argue back are what ifs.....P.O.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The ink was barely dry on the Constitution when the government began helping industry, and govenment has helped business ever since. An example of the different philosophies was exhibited during the Great Depression when conservatives and Hoover believed it was business that should be rescued and so money was made available to industry. Industry, of course, sat on the money waiting for people to begin buying. and with no money the people didn't buy. FDR believed it was people that needed help. Those beliefs have never changed since Hamilton, and are still with us.

Unemployment averaged 20% for FDR's first 2 terms and only abated after Hitler conquered France

How did FDR help people?

He didn't! The prosperity everyone eqautes with FDR didn't happen until the Eisenhower admin (and ooops! He was a Republican)

The New Deal was a ******* failure.....

It's funny how democrats **** everything up and make a mess and republicans clean it up...

Wilson, FDR, Carter, Obama.....

Democrats are economically retarded....

What works in theory doesn't necessarily work in practice...

 

[Murf76]

Here's a question for all those who think "society" trained my employees.

Since "society" is responsible for training my people so I can "make money off them" does society have any responsibility when an employee ***** up and costs me money?

I only ask because I caught an employee mistake last month that cost me over 700 dollars

So all of you can pay up.

How many of your employees had no schooling before you hired them?

It's people who pay taxes who pay for public education... and infrastructure, and emergency services, and national security, and everything else.

 

[teapartysamurai]

All you are whining about is you can't refute what I said.

I'm not whining about anything. And I was never trying to refute what you said. If you hadn't noticed, I my comment wasn't even directed at you. It was directed at two entirely different people. All you're doing now is tearing down straw men.

YOu are trying to hide behind the handicapped

I'm going to politely advise you to move away from trying to make claims about my feelings and view of the disabled, particularly allegations that I would somehow try to take advantage of the disabled. My younger brother has a disability not entirely unlike Mr. Hawking's condition.

because you know your greed for other people's money is ONLY TOO OBVIOUS, so you must hide.

You've got one thing right here, I do have a greed for other people's money. That's why I work hard at my job to maximize the profitability of my company, and enjoy great success at aggressively achieving the greatest possible revenues I can for my company. It's also why I zealously sell my case in every discussion I have with my supervisors to convince them to pay me as much as I can so convince them of doing. It's also why I also maintain a secondary "side" business of my own, where I again aggressively pursue every opportunity I can generate revenues, gain as many new clients as I can (and as many as my schedule permits), for maximum profit.

The only people who don't have greed for other people's money are lazy people.

I'm not one the one arguing for a "mixed" economy.

And BTW, you still haven't been honest enough to admit MIXED WITH WHAT???????

Obviously mixed with socialism.

But now you have gone from hiding behind the handicapped to hiding behind small business.

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot claim YOU do all these things with YOUR business while arguing everyone else dosn't make it without government.

That's trying to have it both ways.

Or like the conversation I had with someone once.

He said, "Well, I'm a fiscally conservative, but socially liberal."

"Oh," I replied. "A hypocrite!"

"What do you mean by that?!" He demanded.

"You want everyone else taxed, JUST NOT YOU!"

Who will you hide behind next?

 

[teapartysamurai]

All the 10th amendment does is let states do what the federal government doesn't prohibit. It's like a mom telling her kid, you can stay out as long as you like as long as you're home by 10.

Then explain that POWER component of the 10th Amendment?

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Tenth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

All this is says is powers not given to the Federal government NOR PROHIBITED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, goes to the states.

You cannot back up your assertion.

nor prohibited by it to the states

The 'it' in that statement is the Constitution. The phrase means the states can do as they please unless what they please is prohibited by the Constitution.

The Supremacy Clause says the states can make no laws that conflict with the Constitution or Federal law.

The Supremacy Clause:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Well then I guess you are against medical marijuana because it's prohibited by the Federal Government.

Can't wait to hear what you have to say to that!

 

[Douger]

True. American Airlines helped.

 

[GHook93]

It should be more specific he was talking to businesses owner. This is the scariest thing that has come out of Comrade Obama's mouth! He comes from the lazy liberal mentality that no one who makes it earned it. This is collectivist speech my friends and it should scare us all.

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Obama is taking an interesting and dangerous approach on the campaign trail, telling successful business owners that they "didn't get there on their own", that their success is predicated in part on the labor and efforts (and taxes) of others. This gives the GOP an opening to say, "see, he hates business owners, we told you so."

On the other hand, it opens up a national conversation that I've never seen before, building on Elizabeth Warren's comments as she runs for office.

This tactic is flying right into the teeth of the GOP's strength, that business and employers are the key to economic success. He's betting that the GOP, so controlled by absolutists right now, is going to look anti-ALL workers, not just union.

Pretty brave, and I think it's a good conversation to have.

Obama Mocks Rich: 'You Didn't Get There On Your Own'

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[NYcarbineer]

Here's a question for all those who think "society" trained my employees.

Since "society" is responsible for training my people so I can "make money off them" does society have any responsibility when an employee ***** up and costs me money?

I only ask because I caught an employee mistake last month that cost me over 700 dollars

So all of you can pay up.

How many of your employees had no schooling before you hired them?

You didn't answer my question.

Is "society " responsible for the loss caused by my employee that "society" supposedly "trained"?

No. Don't be stupid. Please. Stop being stupid.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Please explain that healthy balance. My figures show you are full of shit.

Thiose figures can be found at the US DEPT OF TREASURY.

Ahalf trillion in interest payments. So that balance is where?


All you have to argue back are what ifs.....P.O.

Whatever that healthy balance would be is obviously open to debate. My comment was not endorsing any given perspective on that question. I'm merely stating that labeling people things like "commie" or "fascist" simply because they don't subscribe to one's own view of what would constitute such a balance, is ridiculous. Democrats, as a group, aren't pushing for a socialist state anymore than Republicans, as a group, are pushing for theocracy. Throwing these kinds of labels around accomplishes nothing other than create a convenient way to dismiss anyone with whom one disagrees, and is usually indicative of a weak mind.

 

[Mr.Nick]

All you are whining about is you can't refute what I said.

I'm not whining about anything. And I was never trying to refute what you said. If you hadn't noticed, I my comment wasn't even directed at you. It was directed at two entirely different people. All you're doing now is tearing down straw men.



I'm going to politely advise you to move away from trying to make claims about my feelings and view of the disabled, particularly allegations that I would somehow try to take advantage of the disabled. My younger brother has a disability not entirely unlike Mr. Hawking's condition.

because you know your greed for other people's money is ONLY TOO OBVIOUS, so you must hide.

You've got one thing right here, I do have a greed for other people's money. That's why I work hard at my job to maximize the profitability of my company, and enjoy great success at aggressively achieving the greatest possible revenues I can for my company. It's also why I zealously sell my case in every discussion I have with my supervisors to convince them to pay me as much as I can so convince them of doing. It's also why I also maintain a secondary "side" business of my own, where I again aggressively pursue every opportunity I can generate revenues, gain as many new clients as I can (and as many as my schedule permits), for maximum profit.

The only people who don't have greed for other people's money are lazy people.

I'm not one the one arguing for a "mixed" economy.

And BTW, you still haven't been honest enough to admit MIXED WITH WHAT???????

Obviously mixed with socialism.

But now you have gone from hiding behind the handicapped to hiding behind small business.

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot claim YOU do all these things with YOUR business while arguing everyone else dosn't make it without government.

That's trying to have it both ways.

Or like the conversation I had with someone once.

He said, "Well, I'm a fiscally conservative, but socially liberal."

"Oh," I replied. "A hypocrite!"

"What do you mean by that?!" He demanded.

"You want everyone else taxed, JUST NOT YOU!"

Who will you hide behind next?

Keynesian economics don't work - it's almost like driving around in a car with the parking break on..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then explain that POWER component of the 10th Amendment?



Tenth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

All this is says is powers not given to the Federal government NOR PROHIBITED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, goes to the states.

You cannot back up your assertion.

nor prohibited by it to the states

The 'it' in that statement is the Constitution. The phrase means the states can do as they please unless what they please is prohibited by the Constitution.

The Supremacy Clause says the states can make no laws that conflict with the Constitution or Federal law.

The Supremacy Clause:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

Well then I guess you are against medical marijuana because it's prohibited by the Federal Government.

Can't wait to hear what you have to say to that!

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You've just admitted the supremacy of the federal government.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Or you saying Dredd Scott was Constitutional?

Yes, it was. Eventually, the constitution was amended.

Or are you saying Citizens UNITED is Constitutional?

Yes, is. Perhaps one day the constitution will be amended if the will of the people is so strong as to do so.

(can't wait to see libs double talk their way out of that!)

Don't hold your breath.

Get this! Slavery was Constitutional!

I suppose then "Separate but Equal" aka Jim Crowe, was also Constitutional.

BTW, show me where in the Constitutin it says the USSC is the last word on what IS Constitutional?

 

[kwc57]

So, business should thank government for not taking more of what isn't theirs in the first place?

And just who is paying for this "labor and effort of others"?

Just like a republican to have such a narcissistic and self-centered point of view.
They cannot admit that it takes more than an idea to have it work.
If you think your hard-work alone and your money alone makes a business thrive then you have the narcissistic attitude and reality in now way shape or form can make you see the truth.

The TRUTH is that jobs are a byproduct of a successful business. Jose wants to clothe and feed his family, so he finds an old bicycle and fits a box on it. He starts selling tamales his wife makes on the street. People really like his tamales and he sells out each day with people wanting more. Jose finds another bicycle and fits a box on it. He finds a relative to start selling his tamales so he is doing twice the business. Of course, his wife can't make twice the tamales she was, so they have another relative making tamales too. Eventually, he needs to add additional bikes and workers to keep up with demands. He also has to find a commercial kitchen and centralize his tamale making with all the staff under one roof. He realizes that he can cover more territory with trucks selling tamales than with bicycles. People buying his tamales ask about tacos and burritos, so he expands his menu and on it goes.

Jose had an idea and took the initiative to act on it to make enough money to support his immediate family. He made the decisions and took the risk at each point of his journey. Because he had a good product that people desired, he was successful and with his success came growth and with growth came jobs........but he never started the company to provide others with jobs. Just to feed his family. His employees work hard and are paid for their time and ability. But if Jose hadn't decided to sell tamales, look how many less jobs there would have been. Is Jose supposed to give each employee an equal share of his profits? Is he being an evil rich greedy bastard if he doesn't? According to Obama he is. Jose doesn't deserve any praise for starting a tamale company that employees a lot of people. His bicycle salesmen made him what he is. What horse shit!

 

[Stephanie]

Here's a question for all those who think "society" trained my employees.

Since "society" is responsible for training my people so I can "make money off them" does society have any responsibility when an employee ***** up and costs me money?

I only ask because I caught an employee mistake last month that cost me over 700 dollars

So all of you can pay up.

How many of your employees had no schooling before you hired them?

A lot of people made it in LIFE with no "schooling"..they used hard work and common sense..
something many of you liberals seem to think doesn't exist in people just like your dear leader does

 

[teapartysamurai]

How many of your employees had no schooling before you hired them?

You didn't answer my question.

Is "society " responsible for the loss caused by my employee that "society" supposedly "trained"?

No. Don't be stupid. Please. Stop being stupid.

I think we see who's being stupid!