"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of pros

[washamericom]

You can't help the poor by being one of them.

And you can't employ anyone if you are poor....

Yeah.....we only have to wait until The Rich are finished GORGING THEMSELVES!!!​

who are you....robin hood ?

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working class heros...

 

[boedicca]

Considering the ever increasing Girth and prevalence of Type II Diabetes among The Poor, The Poor of America appear to be gorging on something.

Just sayin'.

 

[rightwinger]

Considering the ever increasing Girth and prevalence of Type II Diabetes among The Poor, The Poor of America appear to be gorging on something.

Just sayin'.

I guess that reflects a poor diet.

Too bad for them huh?

 

[boedicca]

They certainly aren't Starving as they gobble up junk food while watching their big screen TVs.

There are serious issues with the status of the poor in our society - lack of food is not one of them.

 

[washamericom]

Considering the ever increasing Girth and prevalence of Type II Diabetes among The Poor, The Poor of America appear to be gorging on something.

Just sayin'.

whoa...bodee that's cold....where'd everybody go ?

 

[Joe Steel]

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Adrian Rogers, 1931

Wonderful quote! Have to add that to my list of favorites.

Simplistic noise.

Fluff.

A waste of time.

 

[rightwinger]

They certainly aren't Starving as they gobble up junk food while watching their big screen TVs.

There are serious issues with the status of the poor in our society - lack of food is not one of them.

This is one of my favorite right wing tactics. Take attention away from the rich by blaming the poor. Its the old "Poor people drive Escalades" myth. Selling the mistruth that the poor are living high off the hog.

I personally,am more concerned with the working poor. Those Americans who work 40-50 hours a week and have less and less to show for it. People who would lose everything if they become sick, people who must assume tens of thousands in debt to send their kids to college, people who wonder if they should pay the doctor bill or the rent.

Used to be, you could support a family on a high school education and one spouse working. That American dream has vanished as the wealthy have become richer and the standard of living has declined

 

[JBeukema]

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

Gotta spend money to make money

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

History proves that wrong. Compare the condition of the working class in 1844 to today. Socialism for the win.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

Tell it to the teabaggers


Abe Lincoln enslaved the states, btw; he made the constitution a suicide pact

 

[JBeukema]

i knew abe lincoln ..... abe lincoln was a friend of mine, barrak obama, you are no abe lincoln...

well, no... but then again, Abe Lincoln wouldn't be a republican now.

but to the "point" of the thread... the middle class doesn't exist without protection and a society where businesses are unfettered looks like Dickens' England.

Or should we go back to the days of sweat shops so as not to somehow offend corporatists?

Ummm...we have never left the "days of sweat shops".
Chances are right now what you are wearing was made by people making between $.50 - $1.00 an hour working usually 14 hours a day.

The fight against capitalism isn't over.

The Right would have us surrender what we've won and join the children in the sweatshop- all in the name of a bigger profit margin.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Once again, the right wing takes everything to the absurd extremes. Nobody is confiscating the wealth of the rich and giving it to the poor. Yes, you are right. There is a redistribution of wealth going on. It is removing wealth from the working class and giving it to the wealthy.

Guess what? Nobody came to the working class and confiscated their bank accounts. It was done slowly and methodically as wages did not keep up with the cost of living, housing prices skyrocketed, education costs skyrocketed, the cost of healthcare went through the roof. The working class was told to sacrifice and work harder. So they did, they put in more hours for a lower standard of living and the rich got richer

Workers were told that if we only cut taxes on the wealthy (the people who give them jobs) that this money would actually "trickle down" in the form of more jobs, higher wages and a surging economy.

....And, who'd remember that, better, than the Reagan Admin's sales-and-marketing man??!!!

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[JBeukema]

Jefferson espoused the 'class warfare' the Right keeps going on about

Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation.

Equality: Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

"Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by
the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.

 

[boedicca]

They certainly aren't Starving as they gobble up junk food while watching their big screen TVs.

There are serious issues with the status of the poor in our society - lack of food is not one of them.

This is one of my favorite right wing tactics. Take attention away from the rich by blaming the poor. Its the old "Poor people drive Escalades" myth. Selling the mistruth that the poor are living high off the hog.

I personally,am more concerned with the working poor. Those Americans who work 40-50 hours a week and have less and less to show for it. People who would lose everything if they become sick, people who must assume tens of thousands in debt to send their kids to college, people who wonder if they should pay the doctor bill or the rent.

Used to be, you could support a family on a high school education and one spouse working. That American dream has anished as the wealthy have become richer and the standard of living has declined

Blah blah blah.

You and your fellow cadre of Pea Green With Envy Morons started this attacking nonsense in the first place.

If uneducated people can no longer support their families on unskilled labor, perhaps you should look at why they are uneducated and unskilled instead of attacking those who are actually in a position to create jobs for qualified people.

 

[JBeukema]

You can't help the poor by being one of them.

And you can't employ anyone if you are poor....

Let us know when anyone advocates making the rich poor.

I've seen no such proposals in congress.

Care to join us in the real world, now?

 

[jillian]

i knew abe lincoln ..... abe lincoln was a friend of mine, barrak obama, you are no abe lincoln...

well, no... but then again, Abe Lincoln wouldn't be a republican now.

but to the "point" of the thread... the middle class doesn't exist without protection and a society where businesses are unfettered looks like Dickens' England.

Or should we go back to the days of sweat shops so as not to somehow offend corporatists?

right... because we all know how Abraham Lincoln loved enslaving people to government

no. he just told people they couldn't enslave other people.

the rest was done when the constitution was ratified.

you see any exit strategy in that document?

 

[JBeukema]

Considering the ever increasing Girth and prevalence of Type II Diabetes among The Poor, The Poor of America appear to be gorging on something.

Just sayin'.

You can blame corporate-government corruption for that one

Corn subsidies make unhealthy food choices the rational ones | Grist

 

[JBeukema]

well, no... but then again, Abe Lincoln wouldn't be a republican now.

but to the "point" of the thread... the middle class doesn't exist without protection and a society where businesses are unfettered looks like Dickens' England.

Or should we go back to the days of sweat shops so as not to somehow offend corporatists?

right... because we all know how Abraham Lincoln loved enslaving people to government

no. he just told people they couldn't enslave other people.

the rest was done when the constitution was ratified.

you see any exit strategy in that document?

The entire presime of the document is that it's only valid because of people's right to tear down, replace, or leave a government they don't like

 

[boedicca]

You can't help the poor by being one of them.

And you can't employ anyone if you are poor....

Let us know when anyone advocates making the rich poor.

I've seen no such proposals in congress.

Care to join us in the real world, now?

Why should anyone wish to make the rich poor? What possible benefit would that achieve?

 

[boedicca]

Considering the ever increasing Girth and prevalence of Type II Diabetes among The Poor, The Poor of America appear to be gorging on something.

Just sayin'.

You can blame corporate-government corruption for that one

Corn subsidies make unhealthy food choices the rational ones | Grist

You should know by now that I do not support Big Government Crony Corporatism.

 

[shintao]

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Adrian Rogers, 1931

The person who worked for giving to another, has received benefits from America owned by the receiver. For instance, the receiver may have been a combat vet preserving freedom, so the other person could make a protected living. The receiver may not drive a car, so gives up his share of oil to the person working.

The government is a concept and has nothing.

Why would half the people get such strange ideas. Obviously the end is not in sight.

Yes, math is problematic. To multiply wealth you must use the other people you are railing against.

 

[rikules]

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Adrian Rogers, 1931

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity."


1. nobody is trying to legislate the entire wealth away from the wealthy

what MOST rational people are trying to do is to get the extremely wealthy to pay a fair share of their wealth (while still leaving them extremely wealthy) so that the bottom feeders can have just a little bit more $ to live on


2. you also cannot legislate the poor into comfort by legislating the wealthy into GREATER prosperity

the more the wealthy are allowed to take (withOUT working for it)
then the LESS there is for everyone else

stealing ALL the wealth from the overly wealthy is NOT the answer
but allowing the overly wealthy to take as much as they want while leaving crumbs for everyone else is ALSO not the answer










"What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving."


i imagine you are speaking about the CEOs who don't actually work but get ALL the money while the ACTUAL WORKERS get very little to live on?



"The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else."


thank god we have a government that is willing to take a little bit from the non-working overly wealthy class in order to provide some crumbs to the poor who would be forced to live in shacks and eat mud pies if the overly wealthy were not held in check



"When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them,"


i see you are still talking about the rich....
who do NOT work
but expect everyone else to work to take care of them



"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

so you SUPPORT allowing 1% of the population to force everyone else to work for peanuts while they get richer and richer?