You Can Not Be Civil

[Avatar4321]

What I thought I heard her say is “you can’t be civil with people destroying what you stand for” something to that effect. (I don’t have it in front of me)

What she is saying to me is that Americans can’t be civil with Democrats.

I disagree personally. I think it’s important to be civil and kind while fighting for our beliefs. But she is so blind she doesn’t realize she is telling people not to be civil with her.

 

[Avatar4321]

The difference is that liberals are capable of civility, intellectual discussion, honest disagreement. I was a Kav supporter right up until he invoked the Clintons in his partisan address last week. I still think he will be a fair justice up until there are political overtones to a case. The outrage from my liberal colleagues was minimum. We regularly see what cons do to their own when they cross the aisle and it isn’t civil in the least.

You guys falsely accused him of gang rape. Many of you still are. That’s a civil intellectual discussion?

 

[Faun]

well I knew that cons are crazy but I wasn't aware of the high rate of suicide.....

WTF does that have to do with the high rate of homo suicide?

I would imagine that gays might have higher rates of suicide based on years of hatred from conservatives....

but i'm not sure the rates are as high as they use to be or even as high as you suggest (source? other than alex jones or rush limbaugh)

regardless.

I know MANY gays.....and all of them are decent hard working and industrious people who tend to be MUCH NICER than most conservatives.....

So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. The left hates me and has done vile nasty things to me, yet I've never contemplated suicide. The fact is the homo lifestyle is a miserable lie. Homos are angry and lost. Angry and lost people kill themselves.

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

The difference is that liberals are capable of civility, intellectual discussion, honest disagreement. I was a Kav supporter right up until he invoked the Clintons in his partisan address last week. I still think he will be a fair justice up until there are political overtones to a case. The outrage from my liberal colleagues was minimum. We regularly see what cons do to their own when they cross the aisle and it isn’t civil in the least.

You guys falsely accused him of gang rape. Many of you still are. That’s a civil intellectual discussion?

you don't know if it was false.

besides....you guys accused hillary of selling babies out of pizza ships. is THAT a civil intellectual discussion?


here's a typical discussion I have with cons....

me: i support gay rights
cons: you fkn ***....why do you hate America?

me: i'd love to see affordable education and health care like in norway and finland
cons: so you want complete socialism like venezuela.....ya fkn libernazidemocrap......

me: I don't want the christian religion dictating laws in the USA
cons: so you hate gods and christians! you stinking devil worshipper!

me:I believe MOST muslims (like most christians) are not terrorists.
cons: you filthy terrorist loving piece of shit....

When cons start debating LOGICALLY and CIVILLY with me I will gladly reciprocate.....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

WTF does that have to do with the high rate of homo suicide?

I would imagine that gays might have higher rates of suicide based on years of hatred from conservatives....

but i'm not sure the rates are as high as they use to be or even as high as you suggest (source? other than alex jones or rush limbaugh)

regardless.

I know MANY gays.....and all of them are decent hard working and industrious people who tend to be MUCH NICER than most conservatives.....

So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. The left hates me and has done vile nasty things to me, yet I've never contemplated suicide. The fact is the homo lifestyle is a miserable lie. Homos are angry and lost. Angry and lost people kill themselves.

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

I would imagine that gays might have higher rates of suicide based on years of hatred from conservatives....

but i'm not sure the rates are as high as they use to be or even as high as you suggest (source? other than alex jones or rush limbaugh)

regardless.

I know MANY gays.....and all of them are decent hard working and industrious people who tend to be MUCH NICER than most conservatives.....

So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. The left hates me and has done vile nasty things to me, yet I've never contemplated suicide. The fact is the homo lifestyle is a miserable lie. Homos are angry and lost. Angry and lost people kill themselves.

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

"We actually have something to live for."

hate?

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

why do they feel the need of violence to try and make that point? hmmm, most humans don't behave like that to other humans. so are they really human? that was the point.

There is very little politically-motivated violence in the US, thankfully. You're arguing in favor of treating tens of millions of people worse than you would treat a dog on the basis of a wildly over-generalized and unsupportable accusation that you made up out of whole cloth. Not only that, but of the politically-motivated violence that has occurred in the US over the last few years, quite a bit -- perhaps even the majority -- was committed by people who held more right-wing views. Charlottesville is one example, but also the church shooting in Charleston, the 2014 shootings in Santa Barbara, and other examples.

That said, I think it would be absolutely abhorrent and horrifying for leftists to suggest that conservatives deserved to be treated as sub-human on the basis of this kind of argument. I think we all ought to avoid dehumanizing language about our political opponents, and really about any large and and diverse group of people. We ought to avoid that kind of stereotyping and over-generalization. I've chided liberals in the past for veering a little too far in that direction for my comfort. I think it's a result of increasing polarization, and an unfortunate cognitive bias that we all have to watch out for.

yes you are right, because most of those millions of demolosers won't denounce those doing the political violence. therefore they wish they were there. I can see two points and draw a line.

Do you denounce all violoence?

"Do you denounce all violoence?"

yes.

do you?

 

[jc456]

The difference is that liberals are capable of civility, intellectual discussion, honest disagreement. I was a Kav supporter right up until he invoked the Clintons in his partisan address last week. I still think he will be a fair justice up until there are political overtones to a case. The outrage from my liberal colleagues was minimum. We regularly see what cons do to their own when they cross the aisle and it isn’t civil in the least.

You guys falsely accused him of gang rape. Many of you still are. That’s a civil intellectual discussion?

you don't know if it was false.

besides....you guys accused hillary of selling babies out of pizza ships. is THAT a civil intellectual discussion?


here's a typical discussion I have with cons....

me: i support gay rights
cons: you fkn ***....why do you hate America?

me: i'd love to see affordable education and health care like in norway and finland
cons: so you want complete socialism like venezuela.....ya fkn libernazidemocrap......

me: I don't want the christian religion dictating laws in the USA
cons: so you hate gods and christians! you stinking devil worshipper!

me:I believe MOST muslims (like most christians) are not terrorists.
cons: you filthy terrorist loving piece of shit....

When cons start debating LOGICALLY and CIVILLY with me I will gladly reciprocate.....

you don't know if it was false.

you don't know it was true. right?

 

[jc456]

why do they feel the need of violence to try and make that point? hmmm, most humans don't behave like that to other humans. so are they really human? that was the point.

There is very little politically-motivated violence in the US, thankfully. You're arguing in favor of treating tens of millions of people worse than you would treat a dog on the basis of a wildly over-generalized and unsupportable accusation that you made up out of whole cloth. Not only that, but of the politically-motivated violence that has occurred in the US over the last few years, quite a bit -- perhaps even the majority -- was committed by people who held more right-wing views. Charlottesville is one example, but also the church shooting in Charleston, the 2014 shootings in Santa Barbara, and other examples.

That said, I think it would be absolutely abhorrent and horrifying for leftists to suggest that conservatives deserved to be treated as sub-human on the basis of this kind of argument. I think we all ought to avoid dehumanizing language about our political opponents, and really about any large and and diverse group of people. We ought to avoid that kind of stereotyping and over-generalization. I've chided liberals in the past for veering a little too far in that direction for my comfort. I think it's a result of increasing polarization, and an unfortunate cognitive bias that we all have to watch out for.

yes you are right, because most of those millions of demolosers won't denounce those doing the political violence. therefore they wish they were there. I can see two points and draw a line.

Do you denounce all violoence?

"Do you denounce all violoence?"

yes.

do you?

Hell yes, and I hold my representative to task if they don't denounce it. Why don't you want that from yours?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The difference is that liberals are capable of civility, intellectual discussion, honest disagreement. I was a Kav supporter right up until he invoked the Clintons in his partisan address last week. I still think he will be a fair justice up until there are political overtones to a case. The outrage from my liberal colleagues was minimum. We regularly see what cons do to their own when they cross the aisle and it isn’t civil in the least.

You guys falsely accused him of gang rape. Many of you still are. That’s a civil intellectual discussion?

you don't know if it was false.

besides....you guys accused hillary of selling babies out of pizza ships. is THAT a civil intellectual discussion?


here's a typical discussion I have with cons....

me: i support gay rights
cons: you fkn ***....why do you hate America?

me: i'd love to see affordable education and health care like in norway and finland
cons: so you want complete socialism like venezuela.....ya fkn libernazidemocrap......

me: I don't want the christian religion dictating laws in the USA
cons: so you hate gods and christians! you stinking devil worshipper!

me:I believe MOST muslims (like most christians) are not terrorists.
cons: you filthy terrorist loving piece of shit....

When cons start debating LOGICALLY and CIVILLY with me I will gladly reciprocate.....

You have just won the hyperbole trophy for the month!!!
Congratulations!!!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. The left hates me and has done vile nasty things to me, yet I've never contemplated suicide. The fact is the homo lifestyle is a miserable lie. Homos are angry and lost. Angry and lost people kill themselves.

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

"We actually have something to live for."

hate?

Nope.
Family and money.
And of course we aren't insane.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

The difference is that liberals are capable of civility, intellectual discussion, honest disagreement. I was a Kav supporter right up until he invoked the Clintons in his partisan address last week. I still think he will be a fair justice up until there are political overtones to a case. The outrage from my liberal colleagues was minimum. We regularly see what cons do to their own when they cross the aisle and it isn’t civil in the least.

You guys falsely accused him of gang rape. Many of you still are. That’s a civil intellectual discussion?

you don't know if it was false.

besides....you guys accused hillary of selling babies out of pizza ships. is THAT a civil intellectual discussion?


here's a typical discussion I have with cons....

me: i support gay rights
cons: you fkn ***....why do you hate America?

me: i'd love to see affordable education and health care like in norway and finland
cons: so you want complete socialism like venezuela.....ya fkn libernazidemocrap......

me: I don't want the christian religion dictating laws in the USA
cons: so you hate gods and christians! you stinking devil worshipper!

me:I believe MOST muslims (like most christians) are not terrorists.
cons: you filthy terrorist loving piece of shit....

When cons start debating LOGICALLY and CIVILLY with me I will gladly reciprocate.....

you don't know if it was false.

you don't know it was true. right?

I'll accept and agree that NEITHER of us knows.

will you?

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

why do they feel the need of violence to try and make that point? hmmm, most humans don't behave like that to other humans. so are they really human? that was the point.

There is very little politically-motivated violence in the US, thankfully. You're arguing in favor of treating tens of millions of people worse than you would treat a dog on the basis of a wildly over-generalized and unsupportable accusation that you made up out of whole cloth. Not only that, but of the politically-motivated violence that has occurred in the US over the last few years, quite a bit -- perhaps even the majority -- was committed by people who held more right-wing views. Charlottesville is one example, but also the church shooting in Charleston, the 2014 shootings in Santa Barbara, and other examples.

That said, I think it would be absolutely abhorrent and horrifying for leftists to suggest that conservatives deserved to be treated as sub-human on the basis of this kind of argument. I think we all ought to avoid dehumanizing language about our political opponents, and really about any large and and diverse group of people. We ought to avoid that kind of stereotyping and over-generalization. I've chided liberals in the past for veering a little too far in that direction for my comfort. I think it's a result of increasing polarization, and an unfortunate cognitive bias that we all have to watch out for.

yes you are right, because most of those millions of demolosers won't denounce those doing the political violence. therefore they wish they were there. I can see two points and draw a line.

Do you denounce all violoence?

"Do you denounce all violoence?"

yes.

do you?

Hell yes, and I hold my representative to task if they don't denounce it. Why don't you want that from yours?

and just like that you accuse me of a crime I haven't committed!.....

I DO want that.

I want the hate and fear and lies to stop from BOTH sides.

do you?

(this is your opportunity to insist that there is NO hate coming from republicans or conservatives.....so don't disappoint me!)

 

[Faun]

I would imagine that gays might have higher rates of suicide based on years of hatred from conservatives....

but i'm not sure the rates are as high as they use to be or even as high as you suggest (source? other than alex jones or rush limbaugh)

regardless.

I know MANY gays.....and all of them are decent hard working and industrious people who tend to be MUCH NICER than most conservatives.....

So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. The left hates me and has done vile nasty things to me, yet I've never contemplated suicide. The fact is the homo lifestyle is a miserable lie. Homos are angry and lost. Angry and lost people kill themselves.

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

Yeah, cons wear teabag hats instead of ***** hats. Y’all are still mentally ill — the posts here are evidence of that.

 

[jc456]

why do they feel the need of violence to try and make that point? hmmm, most humans don't behave like that to other humans. so are they really human? that was the point.

There is very little politically-motivated violence in the US, thankfully. You're arguing in favor of treating tens of millions of people worse than you would treat a dog on the basis of a wildly over-generalized and unsupportable accusation that you made up out of whole cloth. Not only that, but of the politically-motivated violence that has occurred in the US over the last few years, quite a bit -- perhaps even the majority -- was committed by people who held more right-wing views. Charlottesville is one example, but also the church shooting in Charleston, the 2014 shootings in Santa Barbara, and other examples.

That said, I think it would be absolutely abhorrent and horrifying for leftists to suggest that conservatives deserved to be treated as sub-human on the basis of this kind of argument. I think we all ought to avoid dehumanizing language about our political opponents, and really about any large and and diverse group of people. We ought to avoid that kind of stereotyping and over-generalization. I've chided liberals in the past for veering a little too far in that direction for my comfort. I think it's a result of increasing polarization, and an unfortunate cognitive bias that we all have to watch out for.

yes you are right, because most of those millions of demolosers won't denounce those doing the political violence. therefore they wish they were there. I can see two points and draw a line.

Do you denounce all violoence?

"Do you denounce all violoence?"

yes.

do you?

Hell yes, and I hold my representative to task if they don't denounce it. Why don't you want that from yours?

and just like that you accuse me of a crime I haven't committed!.....

I DO want that.

I want the hate and fear and lies to stop from BOTH sides.

do you?

(this is your opportunity to insist that there is NO hate coming from republicans or conservatives.....so don't disappoint me!)

I want the antics of the last demoloser attack on a good man to stop. all that did was incite violence. unacceptable. Un fking acceptable. there was a way to do that correctly and all it turned into was a violent game against two human beings. sad abuse of power. denounce it.

I denounce all hate. all of it. I denounce reneggers. I deonounce haters, and I denounce haters. I denounce guilty until innocent.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

"We actually have something to live for."

hate?

Nope.
Family and money.
And of course we aren't insane.

I don't hate gays and I support equal rights for them
I don't want ANY religion dictating law in the USA
I believe women should be treated equally and paid equally for equal jobs
I support legalization of pot and want the war on pot to end.
I think it would be nice if we were more like norway and finland and had a SOCIAL/democracy with affordable education and health care but retain the ability to earn different amounts of money based on different jobs and education......


how is any of that "insane"?

do you know what IS insane?

when conservatives spell "finland" V E N E Z E U L A

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. The left hates me and has done vile nasty things to me, yet I've never contemplated suicide. The fact is the homo lifestyle is a miserable lie. Homos are angry and lost. Angry and lost people kill themselves.

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

Yeah, cons wear teabag hats instead of ***** hats. Y’all are still mentally ill — the posts here are evidence of that.

Ya left out screaming at the sky...oh and ad crying when ya lose an election.
You're like a bunch of five year olds throwing a tantrum.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

There is very little politically-motivated violence in the US, thankfully. You're arguing in favor of treating tens of millions of people worse than you would treat a dog on the basis of a wildly over-generalized and unsupportable accusation that you made up out of whole cloth. Not only that, but of the politically-motivated violence that has occurred in the US over the last few years, quite a bit -- perhaps even the majority -- was committed by people who held more right-wing views. Charlottesville is one example, but also the church shooting in Charleston, the 2014 shootings in Santa Barbara, and other examples.

That said, I think it would be absolutely abhorrent and horrifying for leftists to suggest that conservatives deserved to be treated as sub-human on the basis of this kind of argument. I think we all ought to avoid dehumanizing language about our political opponents, and really about any large and and diverse group of people. We ought to avoid that kind of stereotyping and over-generalization. I've chided liberals in the past for veering a little too far in that direction for my comfort. I think it's a result of increasing polarization, and an unfortunate cognitive bias that we all have to watch out for.

yes you are right, because most of those millions of demolosers won't denounce those doing the political violence. therefore they wish they were there. I can see two points and draw a line.

Do you denounce all violoence?

"Do you denounce all violoence?"

yes.

do you?

Hell yes, and I hold my representative to task if they don't denounce it. Why don't you want that from yours?

and just like that you accuse me of a crime I haven't committed!.....

I DO want that.

I want the hate and fear and lies to stop from BOTH sides.

do you?

(this is your opportunity to insist that there is NO hate coming from republicans or conservatives.....so don't disappoint me!)

I want the antics of the last demoloser attack on a good man to stop. all that did was incite violence. unacceptable. Un fking acceptable. there was a way to do that correctly and all it turned into was a violent game against two human beings. sad abuse of power. denounce it.

I denounce all hate. all of it. I denounce reneggers. I deonounce haters, and I denounce haters. I denounce guilty until innocent.

"I denounce guilty until innocent."

do you chant "lock her up"?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

"We actually have something to live for."

hate?

Nope.
Family and money.
And of course we aren't insane.

I don't hate gays and I support equal rights for them
I don't want ANY religion dictating law in the USA
I believe women should be treated equally and paid equally for equal jobs
I support legalization of pot and want the war on pot to end.
I think it would be nice if we were more like norway and finland and had a SOCIAL/democracy with affordable education and health care but retain the ability to earn different amounts of money based on different jobs and education......


how is any of that "insane"?

do you know what IS insane?

when conservatives spell "finland" V E N E Z E U L A

I want as little government in my life as possible.

 

[doesanyoneknowmyname]

"So you would imagine that homos have a higher rate of suicide because conservatives hate them. "


do you need EVERYTHING explained to you?

I imagine that things are different now and their suicide rates are down from the past. In the PAST, however, EVERYONE (not cons, not libs) was anti-gay.

So the typical closeted homosexual would read and hear anti-gay remarks all the time....

this, i'm sure, had a deleletious affect on gays.....

but since MOST people (and all decent people) don't care any more I would NOT be surprised to find that their suicide rates are down.

Nah....they're just mentally ill.

So are conservatives.

We're not the ones wearing ***** hats and screaming at the sky.
And we sure dont have a desire to commit suicide at the rate homos do. We actually have something to live for.

Yeah, cons wear teabag hats instead of ***** hats. Y’all are still mentally ill — the posts here are evidence of that.

Ya left out screaming at the sky...oh and ad crying when ya lose an election.
You're like a bunch of five year olds throwing a tantrum.

5 year olds throwing a tantrum.......you just describe trump and most of his base......