Yikes! Beanballs For The Astros????

[Jarlaxle]

The Astros have been a classless dishonest franchise for decades. That being said, any attempt to injure another player should be dealt with harshly by MLB.

For decades?
Surely you have proof of your claim.

His proof consists of squatting and bearing down.

And when I hear the plop, it makes me think of you...a turd.

Did you ever wonder why so many current and former Astro players seem to die early?

Have any actual PROOF of that claim, boy?

 

[candycorn]

The Astros have been a classless dishonest franchise for decades. That being said, any attempt to injure another player should be dealt with harshly by MLB.

For decades?
Surely you have proof of your claim.

His proof consists of squatting and bearing down.

And when I hear the plop, it makes me think of you...a turd.

Did you ever wonder why so many current and former Astro players seem to die early?

Have any actual PROOF of that claim,?

Lima
Caminitti
Kyle
Just to name a few.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The Astros have been a classless dishonest franchise for decades. That being said, any attempt to injure another player should be dealt with harshly by MLB.

For decades?
Surely you have proof of your claim.

His proof consists of squatting and bearing down.

And when I hear the plop, it makes me think of you...a turd.

Did you ever wonder why so many current and former Astro players seem to die early?

Have any actual PROOF of that claim,?

Lima
Caminitti
Kyle
Just to name a few.

Three players? Yeah...right.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

"Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from 'premeditated' beanballs
Chris Bumbaca
USA TODAY

Houston Astros introduced Dusty Baker as their new manager, and he's had to already defend the team's sign-stealing scandal that has dominated the conversation during the start of spring training.

Now, he's beseeching Major League Baseball to prevent pitchers from throwing at Astros hitters as a form of retaliation for electronically decoding and stealing signs in real time.

With the threats becoming less veiled, the 70-year-old Baker found it necessary to speak up and begin protecting his new players.

"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker told reporters Saturday morning, per ESPN. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt."

As camps have opened in Arizona and Florida this week, player after player have ripped the Astros for not only cheating, but the initial lack of sincerity in their apologies.

Los Angeles Angels lefty Andrew Heaney laced into an expletive-filled tirade, as did the Cincinnati Reds' Trevor Bauer. Los Angeles Dodgers righty Ross Stripling said had he been traded to the Angels he probably would have thrown at Astros players. Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood said "someone will take it into their own hands."

Cody Bellinger Dodgers said Houston "stole" the 2017 World Series from them.

Two-time Cy Young award winner and Astros right-hander Justin Verlander told reporters retaliating in that manner is archaic.

"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know."
Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from beanballs





Heard a radio report that the average team was thrown at 66 times last year....and Las Vegas oddsmakers are saying Astros will be thrown at 86 times this year....

Be fair!
The least teams can do is bang a garbage can when they're gonna throw at 'em.....

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from 'premeditated' beanballs
Chris Bumbaca
USA TODAY

Houston Astros introduced Dusty Baker as their new manager, and he's had to already defend the team's sign-stealing scandal that has dominated the conversation during the start of spring training.

Now, he's beseeching Major League Baseball to prevent pitchers from throwing at Astros hitters as a form of retaliation for electronically decoding and stealing signs in real time.

With the threats becoming less veiled, the 70-year-old Baker found it necessary to speak up and begin protecting his new players.

"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker told reporters Saturday morning, per ESPN. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt."

As camps have opened in Arizona and Florida this week, player after player have ripped the Astros for not only cheating, but the initial lack of sincerity in their apologies.

Los Angeles Angels lefty Andrew Heaney laced into an expletive-filled tirade, as did the Cincinnati Reds' Trevor Bauer. Los Angeles Dodgers righty Ross Stripling said had he been traded to the Angels he probably would have thrown at Astros players. Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood said "someone will take it into their own hands."

Cody Bellinger Dodgers said Houston "stole" the 2017 World Series from them.

Two-time Cy Young award winner and Astros right-hander Justin Verlander told reporters retaliating in that manner is archaic.

"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know."
Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from beanballs





Heard a radio report that the average team was thrown at 66 times last year....and Las Vegas oddsmakers are saying Astros will be thrown at 86 times this year....

Be fair!
The least teams can do is bang a garbage can when they're gonna throw at 'em.....

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

Did you see where one Yankee affiliate is giving out trash cans when the Astro affiliate comes to town?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from 'premeditated' beanballs
Chris Bumbaca
USA TODAY

Houston Astros introduced Dusty Baker as their new manager, and he's had to already defend the team's sign-stealing scandal that has dominated the conversation during the start of spring training.

Now, he's beseeching Major League Baseball to prevent pitchers from throwing at Astros hitters as a form of retaliation for electronically decoding and stealing signs in real time.

With the threats becoming less veiled, the 70-year-old Baker found it necessary to speak up and begin protecting his new players.

"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker told reporters Saturday morning, per ESPN. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt."

As camps have opened in Arizona and Florida this week, player after player have ripped the Astros for not only cheating, but the initial lack of sincerity in their apologies.

Los Angeles Angels lefty Andrew Heaney laced into an expletive-filled tirade, as did the Cincinnati Reds' Trevor Bauer. Los Angeles Dodgers righty Ross Stripling said had he been traded to the Angels he probably would have thrown at Astros players. Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood said "someone will take it into their own hands."

Cody Bellinger Dodgers said Houston "stole" the 2017 World Series from them.

Two-time Cy Young award winner and Astros right-hander Justin Verlander told reporters retaliating in that manner is archaic.

"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know."
Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from beanballs





Heard a radio report that the average team was thrown at 66 times last year....and Las Vegas oddsmakers are saying Astros will be thrown at 86 times this year....

Be fair!
The least teams can do is bang a garbage can when they're gonna throw at 'em.....

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

Did you see where one Yankee affiliate is giving out trash cans when the Astro affiliate comes to town?

I see a new trend .....
Fans banging bathroom trash cans everytime an Astro steps up to the plate.
Thank God for the XFL!!! Football purgatory will be at least two and a half months shorter this year since I dont think I'll be watching much of the Stros this season.
Unless of course they can find a way to cheat and not get caught.....seriously though,the whole cheating thing really pisses me off.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from 'premeditated' beanballs
Chris Bumbaca
USA TODAY

Houston Astros introduced Dusty Baker as their new manager, and he's had to already defend the team's sign-stealing scandal that has dominated the conversation during the start of spring training.

Now, he's beseeching Major League Baseball to prevent pitchers from throwing at Astros hitters as a form of retaliation for electronically decoding and stealing signs in real time.

With the threats becoming less veiled, the 70-year-old Baker found it necessary to speak up and begin protecting his new players.

"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker told reporters Saturday morning, per ESPN. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt."

As camps have opened in Arizona and Florida this week, player after player have ripped the Astros for not only cheating, but the initial lack of sincerity in their apologies.

Los Angeles Angels lefty Andrew Heaney laced into an expletive-filled tirade, as did the Cincinnati Reds' Trevor Bauer. Los Angeles Dodgers righty Ross Stripling said had he been traded to the Angels he probably would have thrown at Astros players. Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood said "someone will take it into their own hands."

Cody Bellinger Dodgers said Houston "stole" the 2017 World Series from them.

Two-time Cy Young award winner and Astros right-hander Justin Verlander told reporters retaliating in that manner is archaic.

"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know."
Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from beanballs





Heard a radio report that the average team was thrown at 66 times last year....and Las Vegas oddsmakers are saying Astros will be thrown at 86 times this year....

Be fair!
The least teams can do is bang a garbage can when they're gonna throw at 'em.....

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

Did you see where one Yankee affiliate is giving out trash cans when the Astro affiliate comes to town?

I see a new trend .....
Fans banging bathroom trash cans everytime an Astro steps up to the plate.
Thank God for the XFL!!! Football purgatory will be at least two and a half months shorter this year since I dont think I'll be watching much of the Stros this season.
Unless of course they can find a way to cheat and not get caught.....seriously though,the whole cheating thing really pisses me off.

We live in interesting times.....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

"Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from 'premeditated' beanballs
Chris Bumbaca
USA TODAY

Houston Astros introduced Dusty Baker as their new manager, and he's had to already defend the team's sign-stealing scandal that has dominated the conversation during the start of spring training.

Now, he's beseeching Major League Baseball to prevent pitchers from throwing at Astros hitters as a form of retaliation for electronically decoding and stealing signs in real time.

With the threats becoming less veiled, the 70-year-old Baker found it necessary to speak up and begin protecting his new players.

"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker told reporters Saturday morning, per ESPN. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt."

As camps have opened in Arizona and Florida this week, player after player have ripped the Astros for not only cheating, but the initial lack of sincerity in their apologies.

Los Angeles Angels lefty Andrew Heaney laced into an expletive-filled tirade, as did the Cincinnati Reds' Trevor Bauer. Los Angeles Dodgers righty Ross Stripling said had he been traded to the Angels he probably would have thrown at Astros players. Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood said "someone will take it into their own hands."

Cody Bellinger Dodgers said Houston "stole" the 2017 World Series from them.

Two-time Cy Young award winner and Astros right-hander Justin Verlander told reporters retaliating in that manner is archaic.

"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know."
Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from beanballs





Heard a radio report that the average team was thrown at 66 times last year....and Las Vegas oddsmakers are saying Astros will be thrown at 86 times this year....

Be fair!
The least teams can do is bang a garbage can when they're gonna throw at 'em.....

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

Did you see where one Yankee affiliate is giving out trash cans when the Astro affiliate comes to town?

I see a new trend .....
Fans banging bathroom trash cans everytime an Astro steps up to the plate.
Thank God for the XFL!!! Football purgatory will be at least two and a half months shorter this year since I dont think I'll be watching much of the Stros this season.
Unless of course they can find a way to cheat and not get caught.....seriously though,the whole cheating thing really pisses me off.

We live in interesting times.....

I'm sure the days of yesteryear were just as interesting,we just weren't around to witness them.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

"Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from 'premeditated' beanballs
Chris Bumbaca
USA TODAY

Houston Astros introduced Dusty Baker as their new manager, and he's had to already defend the team's sign-stealing scandal that has dominated the conversation during the start of spring training.

Now, he's beseeching Major League Baseball to prevent pitchers from throwing at Astros hitters as a form of retaliation for electronically decoding and stealing signs in real time.

With the threats becoming less veiled, the 70-year-old Baker found it necessary to speak up and begin protecting his new players.

"I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker told reporters Saturday morning, per ESPN. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt."

As camps have opened in Arizona and Florida this week, player after player have ripped the Astros for not only cheating, but the initial lack of sincerity in their apologies.

Los Angeles Angels lefty Andrew Heaney laced into an expletive-filled tirade, as did the Cincinnati Reds' Trevor Bauer. Los Angeles Dodgers righty Ross Stripling said had he been traded to the Angels he probably would have thrown at Astros players. Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood said "someone will take it into their own hands."

Cody Bellinger Dodgers said Houston "stole" the 2017 World Series from them.

Two-time Cy Young award winner and Astros right-hander Justin Verlander told reporters retaliating in that manner is archaic.

"The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know."
Houston manager Dusty Baker asks MLB to protect Astros from beanballs





Heard a radio report that the average team was thrown at 66 times last year....and Las Vegas oddsmakers are saying Astros will be thrown at 86 times this year....

Be fair!
The least teams can do is bang a garbage can when they're gonna throw at 'em.....

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

Did you see where one Yankee affiliate is giving out trash cans when the Astro affiliate comes to town?

I see a new trend .....
Fans banging bathroom trash cans everytime an Astro steps up to the plate.
Thank God for the XFL!!! Football purgatory will be at least two and a half months shorter this year since I dont think I'll be watching much of the Stros this season.
Unless of course they can find a way to cheat and not get caught.....seriously though,the whole cheating thing really pisses me off.

We live in interesting times.....

I'm sure the days of yesteryear were just as interesting,we just weren't around to witness them.

Ty Cobb was the most dirtiest player ever to play the sport!

The man would go feet first at the catcher chest with metal spikes sharpened to hurt or kill the catcher!

The greats of yesteryear like Cobb would be in prison for most of what they did on and off the field...

 

[Gdjjr]

People act as though cheating never happens- that's number 1. Number 2 is; do the rules say you can't do what they did?

I'm not a baseball fan BTW

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bang the trash can afterwards as " oops, we forgot to give you the sign to get out of the way " ...

Players should have been banned from the game because to me this is as bad as the Black Sox scandal when the White Sox threw the World Series...

Did you see where one Yankee affiliate is giving out trash cans when the Astro affiliate comes to town?

I see a new trend .....
Fans banging bathroom trash cans everytime an Astro steps up to the plate.
Thank God for the XFL!!! Football purgatory will be at least two and a half months shorter this year since I dont think I'll be watching much of the Stros this season.
Unless of course they can find a way to cheat and not get caught.....seriously though,the whole cheating thing really pisses me off.

We live in interesting times.....

I'm sure the days of yesteryear were just as interesting,we just weren't around to witness them.

Ty Cobb was the most dirtiest player ever to play the sport!

The man would go feet first at the catcher chest with metal spikes sharpened to hurt or kill the catcher!

The greats of yesteryear like Cobb would be in prison for most of what they did on and off the field...

False.

One of those myths so many seem to believe....


Rescuing Ty Cobb....

....from the internet....or from Oliver Stone, Comedy Central, or government school...or from Liberalism in general.


Of course it's easy to accept the gossip, the slanders: one simply sits and nods, absorbs the repetitions.....but that's indoctrination....so very many have been trained to allow others to do their thinking for them.

It's what allows the dominant political group to pass off lies about opponents.



"..... Cobb has been portrayed as a virtual psychotic in articles, books, and films, including Ron Shelton’s 1994 feature starring Tommy Lee Jones and Ken Burns’s epic, 18-hour documentary, Baseball, in which Cobb plays the villain to Jackie Robinson’s hero.

There’s only one problem: this venomous character is predominantly fictional." A Wronged Man



There is a lesson here that goes well beyond the destruction of a single individual's reputation, and extends to the way far too many of us get our information.
Best is to remember the insightful words of the finest President of the last 100 years:

"Trust, but verify."

1. Case in point.....Ty Cobb, "....one of the greatest baseball players of all time and king of the so-called Deadball Era. He played in the major leagues—mostly for the Detroit Tigers but a bit for the Philadelphia Athletics—from 1905 to 1928, and was the first player ever voted into the Hall of Fame.

His lifetime batting average of .366 is amazing, and has never been equaled." Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong


a. "In 1936 Cobb received the most votes of any player on the inauguralBaseball Hall of Fame ballot, .... In 1999,editorsatThe Sporting Newsranked Ty Cobb 3rd on their list of "Baseball's 100 Greatest Players".[1]

... credited with setting 90 MLB records during his career.[2][3][4][5]He still holds several records as of the end of the 2014 season, including the highestcareerbatting average(.366 or .367, depending on source) and most careerbatting titleswith 11 (or 12, depending on source).[6]

....and themodern recordfor most careerstolen bases(892) until 1977.[12]He still holds the career record for stealing home (54 times) and for stealing second base, third base, and home in succession (5 times), and as the youngest player ever to compile 4,000 hits and score 2,000 runs." Ty Cobb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. "But for all that, most Americans think of him first as an awful person—a racist and a low-down cheat who thought nothing of injuring his fellow players just to gain another base or score a run. Indeed, many think of him as a murderer. "
Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong




Here's where most people's knowledge of Cobb comes from:


2. In the mid-90s, Hollywood made a film about this baseball immortal:

"Al Stump is a famous sports-writer chosen by Ty Cobb to co-write his official, authorized 'autobiography' before his death. Cobb, widely feared and despised, feels misunderstood and wants to set the record straight about 'the greatest ball-player ever,' in his words.

However, when Stump spends time with Cobb, interviewing him and beginning to write, he realizes that the general public opinion is largely correct. In Stump's presence, Cobb is angry, violent, racist, misogynistic, and incorrigibly abusive to everyone around him. Torn between printing the truth by plumbing the depths of Cobb's dark soul and grim childhood, and succumbing to Cobb's pressure for a whitewash of his character and a simple baseball tale of his greatness, Stump writes two different books. One book is for Cobb, the other for the public."
Cobb (1994) - IMDb


a. And this: " Ron Shelton, the director of the 1995 movieCobb, starring Tommy Lee Jones in the title role, [reported that] it was “well known” that Cobb had killed “as many as” three people." Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong


b. "Cobb himself wrote shortly before his death, "In legend I am a sadistic, slashing, swashbuckling despot who waged war in the guise of sport." Schwartz, Larry."He was a pain ... but a great pain". ESPN.




'Say it ain't so!'
It ain't.


This is a cautionary tale.

I'll reveal the truth, and you can see the same process in operation, lies accepted as truth, throughout our society.

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3. "Cobb himself wrote shortly before his death, "In legend I am a sadistic, slashing, swashbuckling despot who waged war in the guise of sport." Schwartz, Larry."He was a pain ... but a great pain". ESPN.


That statement requires a careful reading, and an attention to detail.




"It is easy to understand why this is the prevailing view. People have been told that Cobb was a bad man over and over, all of their lives. The repetition felt like evidence."
This explanation of the Cobb statement was written by Charles Leerhsen, whose recent book, is about Cobb..."Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty."


a. The Boston Globe notes:

"But if veteran sportswriter Leerhsen is correct about Cobb — and his book is assiduously researched and his points lucidly expressed — then “A Terrible Beauty” is not only the best work ever written on this American sports legend: It’s a major reconsideration of a reputation unfairly maligned for decades." Review of “Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty” by Charles Leerhsen - The Boston Globe


".... assiduously researched....a reputation unfairly maligned..."


I'll provide some of that research.

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Let's start at the beginning.....the origin of the personal destruction of Cobb.....

4. " It started soon after Cobb’s death in 1961, with the publication of an article by a man named Al Stump, one of several articles and books he would write about Cobb.

.... Stump claimed that when children wrote to Cobb asking for an autographed picture, he steamed the stamps off the return envelopes and never wrote back.

...baseball historian Timothy Gay wrote (implausibly, if you think about it) that Cobb would pistol-whip any black person he saw on the sidewalk.

And then there were the stories about how Cobb sharpened his spikes: before every game,

In the 1989 film Field of Dreams, Shoeless Joe Jackson says that Cobb wasn’t invited to the ghostly cornfield reunion of old-time ballplayers because “No one liked that son of a bitch.” The line always gets a knowing laugh."
Imprimis, Op. Cit.




And, sure enough, several of these lies have been repeated by the mislead, earlier in this thread.




Hence.....the 'common knowledge' about Cobb.


Leerhsen continues: " But when I started in on the nuts-and-bolts research with original sources—the kind of shoe-leather reporting I had learned working atNewsweekin its heyday—it didn’t even take me ten minutes to find something that brought me up short....

.... searching old issues of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.I quickly came across a curious article written in late 1911, after the baseball season had ended, when Cobb was touring in a three-act comedy called The College Widow.

(In those days, ballplayers ... often capitalized on their fame by appearing in plays or vaudeville.) The writer of the article was recounting a backstage visit with Cobb, and described him as a man who very much wanted to please the audience. Cobb was also going out of his way to accommodate the interviewer (who was asking tedious questions) while simultaneously being hospitable to a second guest—a catcher he had played with in the minor leagues—who showed up in the small dressing room smoking a cigar. "


The episode doesn't seem to fit with “No one liked that son of a bitch.”




"...he was just doing what any decent person would do—being as polite as possible...."
Ibid.

Could it be that the other allegations are equally false?
Could be.
Coming right up.....

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5. "....I found many more stories contradicting the myth.
Was he widely hated? An old newspaper clipping reported that the Chicago White Sox gave Cobb an award—remarkably, a set of books; Cobb was known as a voracious reader of history—for being Chicago’s most popular visiting player. And it turns out that when the Detroit Tigers were in town, Ring Lardner, Chicago’s smartest and best sportswriter, bought cheap seats in the outfield so he could spend the game bantering with Cobb.

Did he steal stamps from children? Letters in museums and private collections make abundantly clear that Cobb responded to his young fans, sometimes with handwritten letters that ran to five pages. And he always told them he was honored by their autograph requests.



6. What of the stories about him sharpening his spikes and injuring opposing players? “It was no fun putting the ball on Cobb when he came slashing into the plate,” said Wally Schang, who caught for almost every American League Club. “But he never cut me up. He was too pretty a slider to hurt anyone who put the ball on him right.”

Infielder Germany Schaefer, a teammate of Cobb, called him “a game square fellow who never cut a man with his spikes intentionally in his life, and anyone who gets by with his spikes knows it.”

There is a famous photograph that is often used to indict Cobb. It shows Cobb and St. Louis Browns catcher Paul Krichell in 1912. Cobb appears to be flying foot-first into Krichell’s crotch while the catcher squints in pained anticipation. But there is a 1950s interview with Krichell, then a scout for the Yankees, and by his own testimony, Cobb was aiming his foot at the ball in Krichell’s glove, and succeeded in knocking it to the backstop.

Here is Krichell’s account: “The ball hit the grandstand on the fly. I was mad and stunned. Cobb was mad and shaken. In a way it was really my fault. I was standing in front of the plate, instead of on the side, where I could tag Ty as he slid in. But out of that mix-up I learned one thing: never stand directly in front of the plate when Cobb was roaring for home.



.... The legend of “the man who sharpened his spikes” had been around since at least the 1880s, and had been attributed to many, including John McGraw. ....Many of the quotes I found from opposing players defending Cobb’s style were in response to charges that he was a spiker. To a man, they said he wasn’t. And in 1910, Cobb wrote to the American League president asking that players be forced todull their spikes so that he might be free of the dirty-player charge." Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong



Any other material that destroys those slanders of Cobb?

Yup.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Cobb's racism was inexcusable, even for his time. "

Really?

Now, that particular slander that seems to appeal to Liberal sensibilities.....



7. What about race? It is “common knowledge” that Cobb was “an avowed racist”—but when and where did he make such a vow and where is it recorded? A 1984 biography of Cobb, written by a [Ohio University history] college professor named Charles Alexander, is typical. It describes three people who fought with Cobb—a night watchman, a bellhop, and a butcher—as being black.

Such evidence was enough for documentary filmmaker Ken Burns, whose made-for-PBS series Baseball described Cobb as an embarrassment to the game because ofhis racism and cast Cobb as the anti-Jackie Robinson.

But Burns, like so many others, was letting himself be misled by the oft-repeated myth.




[Better get your apology ready......]

Looking into census reports, birth certificates, and contemporary newspaper accounts, I found that all three of the black fighters cited by Charles Alexander were in fact white. "

[But..but.....Ohio College History Professor Charles Alexander, claimed they were black??? The same professor who wrote a book on the KKK...from a Liberal college....hmmm.]


When I asked Alexander about this, he simply replied, “I went with the best information I had at the time.”
Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong

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Let's really hammer home (pun intended, baseball, and all....) some more nails in the coffin of that myth:

8. But what about Cobb’s 19th-century Southern roots? How could someone born in Georgia in 1886notbe a racist? What I found—and again, not because I am the Babe Ruth of researchers, but because I actually did some research—is that Ty Cobb was descended from a long line of abolitionists. His great-grandfather was a minister who preached against slavery and was run out of town for it. His grandfather refused to fight in the Confederate army because of the slavery issue. And his father was an educator and state senator who spoke up for his black constituents and is known to have once broken up a lynch mob.

Cobb himself was never asked about segregation until 1952, when the Texas League was integrating, andSporting Newsasked him what he thought. “The Negro should be accepted wholeheartedly, and not grudgingly,” he said. “The Negro has the right to play professional baseball and whose [sic] to say he has not?”

By that time he had attended many Negro league games, sometimes throwing out the first ball and often sitting in the dugout with the players. He is quoted as saying that Willie Mays was the only modern-day player he’d pay to see and that Roy Campanella was the ballplayer that reminded him most of himself." Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong


Wow!

Any want to dispute that author's research???

Anyone?

Reminds one of the 'racists' mythology academia and the media use to portray the Rightwing.

In both cases, the reality is very different from the myth, and the Hollywood version of 'truth,' huh?




So.... "Cobb's racism was inexcusable, even for his time. "....better wipe that egg off your face.

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Now....on to the motive for many of these slanders of Cobb.....
Why would someone set out to destroy Ty Cobb's reputation.
Could he benefit from doing so????

You betcha'!

9. "....how did he come to be portrayed as a monster? By the late 1950s, when Cobb went on the TV quiz showI’ve Got a Secret, the panelists not only didn’t guess his “secret”—“I have the highest batting average of all time”—they couldn’t identify him by sight. Cobb didn’t like that, and he disliked even more being remembered as a dirty player. .... he became obsessed with setting the record straight, and he started to shop around an autobiography. Doubleday & Co. agreed to publish it and assigneda ghostwriter, Cobb being too ill to write it himself. For this job they picked a man who was known for quantity over quality, a hard-drinking hack newspaperman namedAl Stump.


Stump, who had never met Cobb, spent only a few days with him before setting off to write. .... Stump was filling in the gaps by making up stories out of whole cloth, .... Cobb wrote letters threatening a lawsuit if the book wasn’t cancelled or rewritten. But he died soon thereafter, and the book—entitled My Life in Baseball: The True Record—came out a few months later.



Stump also struck a deal with a sensationalist barber shop magazine called, ironically,True. For $4,000, a tidy sum in 1961, he would write a seamy tell-all about what it was like to live and work with Cobb in his final days. Stump had negotiated the fee by pitching the tale of a wild man drinking to excess and driving around the Lake Tahoe area waving a gun at (unnamed) people, cursing at (unnamed) emergency room doctors, flinging drinks at (unnamed) bartenders, and waking up an (unnamed) bank president in the middle of the night—in person, with a gun—...All the women in Cobb’s family feared him, Stump wrote, again without naming names.


Furthermore, he may have killed some unnamed person, though he was never prosecuted and the story never made the newspapers. Everyone in baseball had hated him, Stump claimed, adding meanly and dishonestly that only three people went to Cobb’s funeral.


....in 1984, when Charles Alexander published his book. The word “racist”—non-existent in Cobb’s time—was by then very much a part of the lexicon, and people were eager to make assumptions about a Southern white man."Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong


A rule in media...'if it bleeds, it leads,'......the more sensational the better.
And how could a dead man, Cobb, fight it.

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10.So.....faux-journalist Stump used Ty Cobb's reputation for his own benefit....
Stump's fabrications weren't all met with approval...

"....sportswriters rushed to Cobb’s defense, saying they had visited his homes in Tahoe and Georgia during this same period—had spent more time with him than Stump, in fact—and never witnessed such behavior. It didn’t matter that all of Stump’s sources were anonymous, all his quotes unidentified, and that Stump himself had been banned from several newspapers and magazines for making things up. It didn’t matter that Cobb’s family had put out the word that his funeral was a private service, or that four of his closest friends in baseball did attend, or that thousands of people packed the church and lined the way to the cemetery.


....director Ron Shelton bought the screen rights to Stump’sTruemagazine article and urged Stump, still alive, to write yet another book—a biography this time—that would serve to promote the movie. This 1994 book, also entitledCobb, was a huge bestseller and was excerpted inSports Illustrated. Then came Ken Burns’Baseballdocumentary, which parroted Stump and Alexander. And the myth grew further with the rise of the Internet—search for “Ty Cobb” on Twitter and see what you find.


.....having been at one time an editor atPeople magazine—that human beings take delight in the fact that the rich and famous are often worse and more miserable than they are. What I didn’t understand before was the power of repetition to bend the truth.

In Ty Cobb’s case, the repetition has not only destroyed a man’s reputation, it has obliterated a real story ..... Who Was Ty Cobb? The History We Know That’s Wrong

Is it too late to save Ty Cobb?

....or to save the concept of 'truth' itself.

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11. "..... Cobb has been portrayed as a virtual psychotic in articles, books, and films, including Ron Shelton’s 1994 feature starring Tommy Lee Jones and Ken Burns’s epic, 18-hour documentary, Baseball, in which Cobb plays the villain to Jackie Robinson’s hero.


There’s only one problem: this venomous character is predominantly fictional. InTy Cobb: A Terrible Beauty, published last year, Charles Leerhsen documents how Cobb’s wicked reputation largely dates to the years after his death in 1961, when sportswriter Al Stump created a mythical Cobb—“Ty the Ripper,” Leerhsen calls him—who displaced the real man in the public mind. Stump’s motives for spinning tall tales seem to have been financial.


Clinging to a preferred narrative about someone long dead is comparatively easy, especially when he’s a white Southerner.

The defaming of Cobb dramatically illustrates the written word’s power to exalt or slander, educate or mislead, and how the consequences of a writer’s moral choices can play out for generations.



In the meantime, it won’t hurt to remember the simplest of lessons. In Leerhsen’s words: “Just because you’ve heard something a thousand times doesn’t mean it’s true. Did you know that it’s not even true that your hair and fingernails keep growing after you’re dead?” Lies do. A Wronged Man

 

[candycorn]

For decades?
Surely you have proof of your claim.

His proof consists of squatting and bearing down.

And when I hear the plop, it makes me think of you...a turd.

Did you ever wonder why so many current and former Astro players seem to die early?

Have any actual PROOF of that claim,?

Lima
Caminitti
Kyle
Just to name a few.

Three players? Yeah...right.

there’s some more. But you’re not worth the effort.

 

[Jarlaxle]

there’s some more. But you’re not worth the effort.

Translation: "I pulled it out of my sphincter."

Pathetic, kid.