XMAS 2024

[Luckyone]

I cut her some slack knowing that she uses 40 y/o picks for her avatar.

I did cut her a lot of slack. I was looking to ignore her weeks ago but I was being a caring-for-women-and-mentally-disabled-people person, so I let weeks go by before I ignored her.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I did cut her a lot of slack. I was looking to ignore her weeks ago but I was being a caring-for-women-and-mentally-disabled-people person, so I let weeks go by before I ignored her.

You two soy boys should go private

 

[ThisIsMe]

Okay, you win. Feel good now?

I don't feel any different.

I'm not trying to win, and I don't feel.good. Just making a point.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I did cut her a lot of slack. I was looking to ignore her weeks ago but I was being a caring-for-women-and-mentally-disabled-people person, so I let weeks go by before I ignored her.

Well, there goes your earlier comment about someone ridiculing you...guess that's out the window.

 

[Luckyone]

You might be a believer in God, but you're not following Him when you state that you justify hating other people. Here's a hint, He doesn't do that. He doesn't hate those who oppose Him, in fact sacrificed His own life for them. Take a second look at yourself.

So saying he is going to seek revenge and sic the military on people like Schumer and Pelosi, looking for revenge on the judges and prosecutors that presented evidence against him, seeking revenge on the FBI for getting a court order to raid his home, means he doesn't hate them?

From my understanding of the definition of revenge, revenge means hate.

As far as sacrificing himself for others, did he do that with his charity (which was found being used to pay his own bills), his University (which was found to be scamming people). Was he sacrificing himself when he cheated his own employees, his own contractors, his own clients and his own partners in the over 4000 lawsuits that have been brought against him?

Just 2 months ago, he fumed and refused to pay for the funeral of Vanessa Guillen (wife of an American soldier) that he had said he would cover totally. Was he being unselfish there?

Unselfish is an antithesis definition of Trump. He does not do anything without there being a benefit to him first.

 

[Luckyone]

I'm not trying to win, and I don't feel.good. Just making a point.

Fantastic, you made it, now what?

You do realize that all of us are human, don't you? Judging a person should always be done by the total (not by anyone instance) of everything he believes in and has done. So what do you feel you have accomplished by showing that I do not follow God's words, word by word. Does that make me a bad person? does that make me wrong about everything else I have stated and shown.

Please be specific. Oh and by the way, I do not personally believe I am wrong in what I said but given that under some technical definitions "I am wrong", I am giving you that.

So expand on your statement. I am waiting with open eyes.

 

[Luckyone]

Well, there goes your earlier comment about someone ridiculing you...guess that's out the window.

?????? Explain your meaning

 

[ThisIsMe]

Fantastic, you made it, now what?

You do realize that all of us are human, don't you? Judging a person should always be done by the total (not by anyone instance) of everything he believes in and has done. So what do you feel you have accomplished by showing that I do not follow God's words, word by word. Does that make me a bad person? does that make me wrong about everything else I have stated and shown.

Please be specific. Oh and by the way, I do not personally believe I am wrong in what I said but given that under some technical definitions "I am wrong", I am giving you that.

So expand on your statement. I am waiting with open eyes.

I never said any of that. You are expanding this WAY beyond the original point, which was, you can't use religion to justify hatred.

I don't think you're a bad person, i don't know you. I'm not judging you either. Yes, we are all humans. None of that is relevant to our discussion.

 

[ThisIsMe]

?????? Explain your meaning

Back in post 31, you said:

I do not waste my time talking to anyone (male or female) that does not debate the issue of the OP and debase and insult the messenger repeatedly.

You don't like it when people bebase and insult you, but you have no issues debasing and insulting others.

 

[hadit]

So saying he is going to seek revenge and sic the military on people like Schumer and Pelosi, looking for revenge on the judges and prosecutors that presented evidence against him, seeking revenge on the FBI for getting a court order to raid his home, means he doesn't hate them?

From my understanding of the definition of revenge, revenge means hate.

As far as sacrificing himself for others, did he do that with his charity (which was found being used to pay his own bills), his University (which was found to be scamming people). Was he sacrificing himself when he cheated his own employees, his own contractors, his own clients and his own partners in the over 4000 lawsuits that have been brought against him?

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Just 2 months ago, he fumed and refused to pay for the funeral of Vanessa Guillen (wife of an American soldier) that he had said he would cover totally. Was he being unselfish there?

Unselfish is an antithesis definition of Trump. He does not do anything without there being a benefit to him first.

I'm saying nothing about TRUMP!, I'm talking about you who says you hate those opposite of God when He commands you to not do so, in fact commands you to do the opposite, to love them. He does not hate them, why do you presume He's okay with you doing it?

 

[Luckyone]

I never said any of that. You are expanding this WAY beyond the original point, which was, you can't use religion to justify hatred.

I don't think you're a bad person, i don't know you. I'm not judging you either. Yes, we are all humans. None of that is relevant to our discussion.

One last thing to this story.

Hate is an emotion and rational thinking cannot prevent emotion from being inside of you.

I will say it again (and again and again as needed). Trump is a hateful person. He is selfish, uncaring of others, has no moral compass, his ethics are all about me, me, me, he no principles as he has waffled his entire life according to what benefits him and he has no humanity as he does not have any guidelines that will stop him when someone has wronged him, or any guidelines when doing something for himself but causing others pain.

That has never changed and will NEVER change. No amount of rationality can erase the emotions that he causes.

What is worse, is that he has caused those same things to surface in others to the point where immorality, unethical behavior, unprincipled actions and inhumanity is becoming the norm and applaudable.

He (in and of himself) is hateful but what he has caused to happen to this nation, increases the hate feelings to go to the extreme. He is no longer the exemption but has become the rule. This means that on my way to the store, my wife's way to the mall, and my grandchildens way to school, there is now a higher probabily of encountering someone ordinary that has hate against me/them, or even me/them losing their lives.

That is unforgivable and I have to believe that even God, would hate to see that occur.

 

[hadit]

One last thing to this story.

Hate is an emotion and rational thinking cannot prevent emotion from being inside of you.

I will say it again (and again and again as needed). Trump is a hateful person. He is selfish, uncaring of others, has no moral compass, his ethics are all about me, me, me, he no principles as he has waffled his entire life according to what benefits him and he has no humanity as he does not have any guidelines when someone has wronged him.

That has never changed and will NEVER change. No amount of rationality can erase the emotions that he causes.

What is worse, is that he has caused those same things to surface in others to the point where immorality, unethical behavior, unprincipled actions and inhumanity is becoming the norm and applaudable.

He (in and of himself) is hateful but what he has caused to happen to this nation, increases the hate feelings to go to the extreme. He is no longer the exemption but has become the rule. This means that on my way to the store, my wives way to the mall, my grandchildens way to school, there is now a higher probabily of encountering hate against them, or even their lives.

That is unforgivable and I have to believe that even God, would hate to see that occur.

God sacrificed Himself for the TRUMP!'s of this world. Do you presume to speak for God when you say He should hate TRUMP! just because you do?

 

[Luckyone]

God sacrificed Himself for the TRUMP!'s of this world. Do you presume to speak for God when you say He should hate TRUMP! just because you do?

Bottom line, it is clear and repeatedly proven that Trump has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity.

So I ask YOU the question in answer to your question "do you support Trump lacking all of those?" and if you do support it, shouldn't those those who believe in those 4 basics of God's teachings hate Trump for not having them?

By the way, if you want to debate whether Trump lacks those 4 basics or doesn't, I am open for the debate to occur, but if you do decide to debate, you will need data, statistics and fact that support your view, the same way that I have proof to support my view.

Let me just give you one example for us to debate.

Donald J. Trump was forced to pay more than $2 million in court-ordered damages to eight different charities for illegally misusing charitable funds at the Trump Foundation for political purposes:

“Not only has the Trump Foundation shut down for its misconduct, but the president has been forced to pay $2 million for misusing charitable funds for his own political gain. Charities are not a means to an end, which is why these damages speak to the president’s abuse of power and represent a victory for not-for-profits that follow the law.

Can you find any moral, ethical, principled, or humane reason why a Billionaire would do this?

I am anxiously waiting for your "debate" answer proving that my statement is incorrect/wrong

 

[hadit]

Bottom line, it is clear and repeatedly proven that Trump has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity.

So I ask YOU the question in answer to your question "do you support Trump lacking all of those?" and if you do support it, shouldn't those those who believe in those 4 basics of God's teachings hate Trump for not having them?

By the way, if you want to debate whether Trump lacks those 4 basics or doesn't, I am open for the debate to occur, but if you do decide to debate, you will need data, statistics and fact that support your view, the same way that I have proof to support my view.

Let me just give you one example for us to debate.


Can you find any moral, ethical, principled, or humane reason why a Billionaire would do this?

I am anxiously waiting for your "debate" answer proving that my statement is incorrect/wrong

I am challenging the very premise of your position, that your hate is justified. As a God-follower who is commanded to love my neighbor and do good to those who hate me, I cannot return hate for hate or for any reason. How do you justify your stance that it is not only acceptable, but admirable for you to hate someone you've never met and who has done nothing to harm you? I would not so challenge someone who does not cite belief in God as the basis of their actions.

We're never even going to reach the level of talking about TRUMP!, he's not even relevant to this discussion, which is about what you think God blesses in you.

 

[Luckyone]

I am challenging the very premise of your position, that your hate is justified. As a God-follower who is commanded to love my neighbor and do good to those who hate me, I cannot return hate for hate or for any reason. How do you justify your stance that it is not only acceptable, but admirable for you to hate someone you've never met and who has done nothing to harm you? I would not so challenge someone who does not cite belief in God as the basis of their actions.

We're never even going to reach the level of talking about TRUMP!, he's not even relevant to this discussion, which is about what you think God blesses in you.

So the debate question (which is the basis of my position), where I prove that Trump has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity, you throw that away and deflect to me following God's teachings?

Let me answer YOUR question with this question (given that you have decided that you are a viable interpreter of God's words and teachings). Does God allow and support a total lack of morals, ethics, principles and humanity? Will he forgive that person and not send him to HELL if that person never repents?

If you are going to make God' teachings (and my interpretations of them being incorrect and damaging to me) be what this discussion is about, answer THAT question. I mean, sending someone to Hell is not a loving thing is it? It is not a forgiving thing, is it? Sending someone to hell for what he has done (and has never repented) is not a "love thy neighbor" action is it?

Why would God do such a hateful thing if he preaches love and forgiveness?

Can you answer that?

 

[Frankenstein]

We are just 3 days away from Xmas 2024 and this year it is different, given that Trump won the election. Here is a look from the left side of the aisle as how this Xmas is goig to be!

 

[DonGlock26]

 

[hadit]

So the debate question (which is the basis of my position), where I prove that Trump has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity, you throw that away and deflect to me following God's teachings?

My entrance to this thread was challenging your stance. It had nothing to do with TRUMP!. You can prove anything you like about him, I'm challenging your statement of being a believer in God.

Let me answer YOUR question with this question. Does God allow and support a total lack of morals, ethics, principles and humanity? Will he forgive that person and not send him to HELL if that person never repents?

That's God's call, not mine, but if you believe the Bible you HAVE to also believe that the default end for sinful humanity is hell. Despite what you hear at virtually any American funeral today, most people are not in a better place, not finally happy, blah, blah, blah. Most are in a worse place and much more unhappy.

If you are going to make God' teachings (and my interpretations of them being incorrect and damaging to m) be what this discussion is about, answer THAT question. I mean, sending someone to Hell is not a loving thing is it? It is not a forgiving thing, is it? Sending someone to hell for what he has done (and has never repented) is not a "love thy neighbor" action is it?

God is the authority, and he has set the standard to be accepted into eternity with Him. We are not His neighbors. Look at it this way, if your neighbor is a cop, he can legally hold you at gunpoint, slap handcuffs on you and put you in a jail cell until you see a judge. Try doing that to him and see how far you get. It is a matter of authority, not fairness. A parent can control his young child's location, clothing, when the child can eat, when the child can play and when the child must go to bed. The child is not the parent's neighbor, he is subordinate to the parent. Young children often think their parents are unfair and mean because they have to stop playing and go to bed or take a bath. They are simply unable to comprehend what is best for them. We are subordinate to God, He's in charge, not us, and thus is not bound by the standards to which we are bound.

Why would God do such a hateful thing if he preaches love and forgiveness?

He does love and forgive. That's the Gospel. Forgiveness is free to everyone who wants to receive it, but it's not automatically conferred regardless of your wishes. God does not force Himself on anyone, and if you reject Him, you cannot expect Him to accept you..

Can you answer that?

I absolutely can answer that and have done so many times. The answer is simple, man cannot stand before God on his own because no one is totally sinless. God, however, made a way for man to be redeemed and all man has to do is accept that way. Is it hateful then for God to reject those who refuse His offer and try to do it on their own? Is it hateful for a prisoner to be executed if the governor is standing in front of the electric chair with a pardon in hand but he refuses it?

Perhaps this will help. You're tubing down the Niagara River, unaware that the Falls are ahead. Jesus is on the bank of the river, repeatedly throwing you a rope and begging you to grab it so He can pull you to safety. You're having too much fun, however, and refuse to grab it. You are smashed to death on the rocks at the base of the falls.

Tell me, is it hateful, or God's fault, that you died horrifically?

Another example. Everyone is gathered on the beach in California, wanting to swim to Hawaii. Some make it a hundred yard into the surf and drown. Some get a mile into the ocean and drown. A few get 20 miles into the ocean, but none walk out of the surf in Hawaii. Meanwhile, Jesus is standing by on a cruise ship, begging people to get in the lifeboats so He can take them to Hawaii in safety, but most refuse because they are convinced that they are better swimmers than the guy who just drowned in front of them and can make it on their own.

Tell me, is it hateful, or God's fault, that most people would drown and be eaten by sharks? In short, why do you think it's hateful when God rejects those who refuse to take His way of redemption? It's all totally voluntary.

 

[Luckyone]

My entrance to this thread was challenging your stance. It had nothing to do with TRUMP!. You can prove anything you like about him, I'm challenging your statement of being a believer in God.

That's God's call, not mine, but if you believe the Bible you HAVE to also believe that the default end for sinful humanity is hell. Despite what you hear at virtually any American funeral today, most people are not in a better place, not finally happy, blah, blah, blah. Most are in a worse place and much more unhappy.

God is the authority, and he has set the standard to be accepted into eternity with Him. We are not His neighbors. Look at it this way, if your neighbor is a cop, he can legally hold you at gunpoint, slap handcuffs on you and put you in a jail cell until you see a judge. Try doing that to him and see how far you get. It is a matter of authority, not fairness. A parent can control his young child's location, clothing, when the child can eat, when the child can play and when the child must go to bed. The child is not the parent's neighbor, he is subordinate to the parent. Young children often think their parents are unfair and mean because they have to stop playing and go to bed or take a bath. They are simply unable to comprehend what is best for them. We are subordinate to God, He's in charge, not us, and thus is not bound by the standards to which we are bound.

He does love and forgive. That's the Gospel. Forgiveness is free to everyone who wants to receive it, but it's not automatically conferred regardless of your wishes. God does not force Himself on anyone, and if you reject Him, you cannot expect Him to accept you..

I absolutely can answer that and have done so many times. The answer is simple, man cannot stand before God on his own because no one is totally sinless. God, however, made a way for man to be redeemed and all man has to do is accept that way. Is it hateful then for God to reject those who refuse His offer and try to do it on their own? Is it hateful for a prisoner to be executed if the governor is standing in front of the electric chair with a pardon in hand but he refuses it?

Perhaps this will help. You're tubing down the Niagara River, unaware that the Falls are ahead. Jesus is on the bank of the river, repeatedly throwing you a rope and begging you to grab it so He can pull you to safety. You're having too much fun, however, and refuse to grab it. You are smashed to death on the rocks at the base of the falls.

Tell me, is it hateful, or God's fault, that you died horrifically?

Another example. Everyone is gathered on the beach in California, wanting to swim to Hawaii. Some make it a hundred yard into the surf and drown. Some get a mile into the ocean and drown. A few get 20 miles into the ocean, but none walk out of the surf in Hawaii. Meanwhile, Jesus is standing by on a cruise ship, begging people to get in the lifeboats so He can take them to Hawaii in safety, but most refuse because they are convinced that they are better swimmers than the guy who just drowned in front of them and can make it on their own.

Tell me, is it hateful, or God's fault, that most people would drown and be eaten by sharks? In short, why do you think it's hateful when God rejects those who refuse to take His way of redemption? It's all totally voluntary.

All of this wording is useless as the reality is quite simple and I have already clearly stated it but you have refused to see it.

It is our choice to interpret God's message. God's message (as you have given it) is interpreted by man (priests) but they are men (just like all of us).

The exact words from Jesus, regarding loving our neighbors are these ""You shall love your neighbor as yourself". The exact words from Jesus regarding forgiving are these "" "If you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will forgive you" and the exact words from Jesus are " "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". At no time in any of these phrases is Jesus telling us that we are sinning by "feeling" hate for someone.

How you can sit here and tell me that I am doing wrong by not following Jesus words to a tee, is beyond my ability to comprehend. First of all, I used to hate myself when I was young. Was I sinning? I have forgiven many many people for their transgressions, suggesting that God will forgive me. Are you saying that those times I have forgiven others means nothing because I will not forgive Trump? I pray for the for those that persecute me (proof is that I have not wished anyone anything bad ever on anyone and here on this board there have been 3 posters here have stated that they wished my death. I have at no time wished anything bad for Trump even though I hate him. What I have wished for is for him not to be in power so he can hurt others,.

As such, NOTHING of what I have done goes against God's teachings. As such, I feel I have been faithful to what God wants and expects of us. God does not punish Hate. He punishes those that act on that hate and do things that will cause others harm.

Anyhow, I am finished with this discussion with you.

 

[ThisIsMe]

One last thing to this story.

Hate is an emotion and rational thinking cannot prevent emotion from being inside of you.

Agree.

That is unforgivable and I have to believe that even God, would hate to see that occur.

I'm sure He would, and I'm also sure He wouldn't want you hating people for it. Does the Bible not say you are to love your enemies?