Wow - "Hide the Decline" Fully Exposed

[KMAN]

It's useless talking to people like Ed... The fact is there is data to hide that doesn't support the global warming theory and Ed refuses to acknowledge it... You caould tell him the grass is green and if Obama told him it was blue he would say it was blue.

It global warming was really happening then there would be no need to hide/delete data...bottom line... Ed has no defense for that.

 

[edthecynic]

67% of the ones in the US are within 10 meters of a heat source. Sounds deliberate to me. Most scientific measuring devices I have ever seen, come with instructions on its use and set up. Common sense tells you to keep a thermometer away from an air conditioner condenser unit. Climatologists have some involvement with these stations. Are you calling them stupid? Not sure I can defend against that one.

...and how do they know if it is warmer or colder Ed? THEY TAKE TEMPERATURE READINGS AND NOTE HOW MUCH HIGHER OR LOWER THE TEMPERATURE IS. I have tried to be nice to you about your apparent stupidity on this subject. There is no second instrument readings recorded to verify the first instruments accuracy. If there is a heat source too close it just gets included or a subjective adjustment is made by the scientist. Assuming no changes near the instrument you would be right on recording that difference. Most places are going to change in a twenty to thirty year time frame. A fence, wall, new building, old structure taken down, change an a/c unit location, install a larger unit or more efficient one, tree grows or is cut down, parking lot is placed near the instrument. I don't have time to explain all of this to you. 67% of these units in the US are within 10 meters of a heat source. The climatologists know this and is on purpose to skew results.

If you let CON$ foam at the mouth long enough, they will always contradict themselves.

Since deniers have no supporting data, they are reduced to discrediting the scientists and the data. First you claim that scientists DELIBERATELY set up the measuring stations near heat sources to skew the results. Then you say that over time the heat sources were added later.

In the first case, using anomalies it would make no difference if a heat source was near because it would make higher the average the anomaly is measured against. If the anomalies progressively get larger there is a warming trend and if the anomalies get progressively smaller the trend is cooler.

In the second case, if a heat source is added after a station has been set up, you simply start a new average from that point in time.

The scientists must be doing something right because the ground stations match the satellite data and none of these heat islands exist in satellite data. Furthermore, there are no heat islands in the ocean and the ocean temps have also warmed over the last 100 years.

You deniers are just desperate for a red herring to discredit the data because the data is completely against your denials.

 

[saveliberty]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

 

[edthecynic]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

How is a deminimus increase in Earth's atmospheric trace element CO2 melting the polar ice caps on Mars?

 

[saveliberty]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

Be sure to bow a little more Northeast for your noon prayers. Your Gods are over that way.

 

[edthecynic]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

How is a deminimus increase in Earth's atmospheric trace element CO2 melting the polar ice caps on Mars?

Notice how when CON$ lose an argument badly they desperately try to change the subject.

Well, we know it wasn't increased solar activity because the Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978.

One theory is that winds have recently swept some areas of Mars clean of dust, darkening the surface, warming the Red Planet and leading to further increases in windiness - a positive feedback effect.

Another theory is the warming could be a regional effect. And recent results from the thermal imaging system on the Mars Odyssey probe suggest that the polar cap is not shrinking at all, but varies greatly from one Martian year to the next.

 

[Big Fitz]

Dammit! Our solar powered rovers are melting the Martian ice caps!

Paging Dr. Little! Calling Dr. Chicken Little!

 

[edthecynic]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

Be sure to bow a little more Northeast for your noon prayers. Your Gods are over that way.

How do you know I'm not an Atheist???? Your post is a sign of complete desperation.

I have repeatedly pointed out that Creation violates the First Law of Thermodynamics.
I have also many times pointed out that chronologically, Adam was not separated from God by sin until AFTER Eve was created. So before Eve existed, Adam was in a heavenly state of physical perfection, without sin, in paradise, and one with God.

So how could Adam have been so "alone" it was "not good" BEFORE he was separated from God by sin??????
God saw Adam was lacking a mate and created Eve, but how could Adam have been lacking anything while he was without sin and one with God??????

Gen 2: 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Now in heaven we will have no mate, so heaven will be the eternal loneliness of being one with God.

Matthew 22: 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate.
- David Pratt

Heaven will be no heaven to me if I do not meet my wife there.
Andrew Jackson

 

[Big Fitz]

Anomalies do not tell you the temp, they only tell you whether it is getting warmer or colder in that location over time, but they do that quite accurately.
GET IT????

Okay. Let's take a good close look at what you're saying.

You're saying that because those surface stations have been compromised, that these errors have been taken into account by the researchers in their silly anomaly chart. Then, because of this, global warming is manmade of course.

What I'm saying is that the error was NOT known or if it WAS known, it was ignored because it backed the desired result. Their goal was to keep the money flowing to them and help the growth of socialism by any means necessary... even by committing fraud.

It wasn't until Surfacestations.org and others came out decrying the bad data coming in by compromised NOAA surfacestations less than 2 years ago did anything start being considered of it. Much of this compromising happened over time. A development here, a highway there. Added A/C on this building, windows reflecting light onto it from here. It happened over time, and slowly.

The irritating part is that these anomalies do not prove anything beyond the compromising of the data gathering system. They do not show the world warming, only very VERY localized warming caused by changes in the sensor's environment.

The 'global fever' you warmists claim is the equivalent of holding the thermometer to a lighter while mom's in the bathroom getting aspirin hoping that a fever of 120 isn't TOO much and will prove you're sick enough to stay home from school.

 

[edthecynic]

Anomalies do not tell you the temp, they only tell you whether it is getting warmer or colder in that location over time, but they do that quite accurately.
GET IT????

Okay. Let's take a good close look at what you're saying.

You're saying that because those surface stations have been compromised, that these errors have been taken into account by the researchers in their silly anomaly chart. Then, because of this, global warming is manmade of course...

Well, since I never said that, your argument built on that Straw Man is worthless.

Please explain how theoretical land heat islands can compromise ocean or space data first!

 

[saveliberty]

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

How is a deminimus increase in Earth's atmospheric trace element CO2 melting the polar ice caps on Mars?

Notice how when CON$ lose an argument badly they desperately try to change the subject.

Well, we know it wasn't increased solar activity because the Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978.

One theory is that winds have recently swept some areas of Mars clean of dust, darkening the surface, warming the Red Planet and leading to further increases in windiness - a positive feedback effect.

Another theory is the warming could be a regional effect. And recent results from the thermal imaging system on the Mars Odyssey probe suggest that the polar cap is not shrinking at all, but varies greatly from one Martian year to the next.

Regional warming on Mars, but no way on Earth huh? Please explain how a polar ice cap does not shrink but still varies greatly from year to year. I guess we'll go with no shrinking ice caps on Earth, they just vary a lot from year to year.


NOAA News Online (Story 2104)

ACRIMSAT: MEASURING THE SUN'S ENERGY

Whatever Ed.

 

[Oddball]

You believe in the manipulated data, I don't. Have a great day Ed. No point arguing with a koolaid drinker.

Keep telling yourself that. If you want to believe there are heat islands in the ocean and in space, no amount of logic will ever persuade you.
The only people who got caught manipulating data were the deniers like Christy and Spencer, and that cooked data is the only data frauds like Lord Monckton and LimpBoy use.

How is a deminimus increase in Earth's atmospheric trace element CO2 melting the polar ice caps on Mars?

Because you're a lying denying denier, who lies and denies!
And...and..and...you want the polar bear to go extinct...and...and...and...you're a tool of BEEEG OIIIIILL...and...and...and...you hate kitties, puppies and the cheeeellllldrrreeeennnn.
You..you...you...lying denying denier who lies and denies!!

 

[edthecynic]

How is a deminimus increase in Earth's atmospheric trace element CO2 melting the polar ice caps on Mars?

Notice how when CON$ lose an argument badly they desperately try to change the subject.

Well, we know it wasn't increased solar activity because the Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978.

One theory is that winds have recently swept some areas of Mars clean of dust, darkening the surface, warming the Red Planet and leading to further increases in windiness - a positive feedback effect.

Another theory is the warming could be a regional effect. And recent results from the thermal imaging system on the Mars Odyssey probe suggest that the polar cap is not shrinking at all, but varies greatly from one Martian year to the next.

Regional warming on Mars, but no way on Earth huh? Please explain how a polar ice cap does not shrink but still varies greatly from year to year. I guess we'll go with no shrinking ice caps on Earth, they just vary a lot from year to year.


NOAA News Online (Story 2104)

ACRIMSAT: MEASURING THE SUN'S ENERGY

Whatever Ed.

Back to cherry-picking a single event or short part of a cycle.

As you well know, the sun has an up and down CYCLE, but there is no increase in solar output from cycle to cycle as measured by satellites from 1978.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

meanwhile, edit is a conspiring conspirator who conspires with conspirators who conspire to forward the the global warming conspiracy

 

[Sinatra]

How is a deminimus increase in Earth's atmospheric trace element CO2 melting the polar ice caps on Mars?

Notice how when CON$ lose an argument badly they desperately try to change the subject.

Well, we know it wasn't increased solar activity because the Sun's energy output has not increased since direct measurements began in 1978.

One theory is that winds have recently swept some areas of Mars clean of dust, darkening the surface, warming the Red Planet and leading to further increases in windiness - a positive feedback effect.

Another theory is the warming could be a regional effect. And recent results from the thermal imaging system on the Mars Odyssey probe suggest that the polar cap is not shrinking at all, but varies greatly from one Martian year to the next.

Regional warming on Mars, but no way on Earth huh? Please explain how a polar ice cap does not shrink but still varies greatly from year to year. I guess we'll go with no shrinking ice caps on Earth, they just vary a lot from year to year.


NOAA News Online (Story 2104)

ACRIMSAT: MEASURING THE SUN'S ENERGY

Whatever Ed.

Martian SUV drivers are killing that planet!!!

 

[saveliberty]

Just admit the energy went up and down since 1978 Ed.

 

[edthecynic]

Just admit the energy went up and down since 1978 Ed.

I admit that is a HALF truth. The Earth has warmed since 1978 but the sun's total output has remained in the same range during this period.

 

[Big Fitz]

Back to cherry-picking a single event or short part of a cycle.

Just like your heroes at Hadley CRU?

3 trees in Siberia.