Women's Rights and the GOP

[logical4u]

Wonderful. You've convinced me, the moral decline in our culture is all the fault of women, premarital sexual relations and the billions of women who use abortion as a means of birth control.

This all began with granting women the right to vote. Had we not allowed them this privilege - denied them by the founders, BTW, and hence an unconstitutional act of a radical liberal Congress and a socialist president supporting the femanazi cabal - we would be the moral leader in a world of debauchery, our military would police the world so the world would be safe for theocracy.

Thank you for enlightening me, later today I will go to the elections office and registered to vote as a Republican. I will work hard with you and other patriots to return our nation to the 10th Century, when men were men and women were kept barefoot, pregnant and silent.

Who is doing the lying to them?

Women are intelligent, and thanks to the USA, do not need a man to protect them as in third world countries. It is the left that seeks to destroy the liberty and freedom of citizens to protect the imoral behavior of those that want abortions (how many women do not have abortions?). Encouraging imoral behavior, destroys society. It does not make for a better world. So keep voting for fraud and change, it is not for the better.

Well, this thread has been hijacked and I've been lectured on morality by an imbecile who can't spell immoral (imoral?).

A spelling error makes you an imbecile? That is sooooo judgmental (thought you guys were all about "acceptance")

 

[logical4u]

Notwithstanding the fact that this thread has been hijacked and I've been lectured on morality by an imbecile who can't spell immoral (imoral?)" I will continue.

In 2011 a record number of anti-abortion laws were passed in State Legislatures. See:

2011 Already Sets Record Of Anti-Abortion Laws - COLORLINES

From the link above:

"The seemingly endless battle over women’s rights to reproductive health care has taken a substantial legal step backwards. So far this year, just 19 states have enacted a total of 162 new laws relating to reproductive health. Unsurprisingly, 49 percent of these work to restrict access to abortion services, smashing the already unsettling record of 34 legalized restrictions passed in 2005".

"conservative lawmakers have combined established and inventive strategies in an effort to reduce both access to reproductive health care and the influence of family planning programs and institutions."

Duly elected officials are representing the people?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Rights Windbag? I suggest you read your signature line. In fact, Windbag, you've answered the question better then anything I might write.

"I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

Do these ideals you hold so high apply only to men?

Women are free to choose, by law, and all the efforts to roadblock their access to a legal medical procedure by men like you and Republican legislatures around the nation are "too obnoxious".

Only to men? You are the one that is talking about rights like they are based on sex, not me. Apparently you misunderstood my signature. Rules are for people who are not free, not for people who are. people who are free acknowledge that others need rules, and chose for themselves whether to pay attention to them, or not. That would include women.

Rules cannot prevent anyone from doing anything, if they could we wouldn't have prisons.

Honestly, that's a nutty thing to post. In context, what you are saying is that a rule requiring a women to undergo a non medically necessary invasive procedure before she is able to receive a legal abortion isn't repressive. Because under your rather bizarre thinking if she were free she could choose to conspire to break the law and have an abortion possibly in a 'back alley'.

And you reserve your right to nullify the law. For example, you might choose to obey a speed limit in the afternoon, but in the early morning hours you feel no obligation to obey the law and will at your whim speed excessively.

Where did I say anything that remotely resembles what you claim?

What I said is that rules are for people who are not free. All rules are oppressive. Let me repeat that for the less intelligent among us, like the person I am replying to, all rules are oppressive. The nature of rules is that they take away choice, every single time.

Note, that does not mean rules are not needed. People need rules, even I need them, I am just smart enough to know you need different ones.

You like your rules, and want the entire world to run with them in place. Then you complain when others, who need different rules, want to use theirs. You complain this means they want to impose their rules on you, which they do, but you ignore the fact that you are quite willing to impose your rules on them.

If you don't like their rules, ignore them. If they don't like yours, they should ignore yours. If everyone did this, and stopped insisting that their rules are the only ones that matter, everyone would be free.

By the way, that non medically necessary procedure you are complaining about is one every competent doctor already uses, voluntarily. They impose that rule on themselves, and you act like it is wrong for the state, which you insist should regulate doctors in the first place, actually regulates them to follow a procedure they already use.

That makes one of us really confused, but it isn't me.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Who is doing the lying to them?

Women are intelligent, and thanks to the USA, do not need a man to protect them as in third world countries. It is the left that seeks to destroy the liberty and freedom of citizens to protect the imoral behavior of those that want abortions (how many women do not have abortions?). Encouraging imoral behavior, destroys society. It does not make for a better world. So keep voting for fraud and change, it is not for the better.

Well, this thread has been hijacked and I've been lectured on morality by an imbecile who can't spell immoral (imoral?).

A spelling error makes you an imbecile? That is sooooo judgmental (thought you guys were all about "acceptance")

Wrong again, you're an imbecile who can't spell.

 

[gallantwarrior]

A premise is asserted, the GOP is engaged in a war on Women's rights. Since evidence exists to establish this premise one would think the defenders of the GOP would offer excuses for cutting funding for the Violence Against Women Act, attacking Ms. Fluke with vile an unsupported allegations of promiscuity, requiring invasive and unnecessary medical procedures before a women can receive an abortion and making it a crime for a women to go to another state to obtain an abortion.

They don't, and that is shameful. Rather then acknowledge these and other actions are being pursued by Republican legislators they resort to ad hominem attacks and some very screwing comments (the latter, a shout out to Odd-dude & crusaderfrank - no surprise there); beyond attacking the messenger, nothing bubbles up from the gray matter which supposedly resides between their ears.

So we, as a society, pay for the first abortion. Mandatory counseling about what causes pregnancy and how to prevent it follows. No exceptions. Mandatory issue of birth control as determined appropriate by a medical specialist. If you show up for a second abortion, the taxpayers pay for that, as well as the mandatory sterilization. Oh, and when you get all weepy a few years down the road about having murdered your unborn children, tough crap. The taxpayer will not foot the bill for your counseling, although a cheap pine box will be provided when you commit suicide as a result of the remorse. If you feel the need for counseling, you are on your own.
Damn, tough love is....well, tough.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Is the 'Big Tent' shrinking?

Tell me something, what rights are you talking about? Are there rights women have that I, as a man, don't? If there are, wouldn't that be discrimination, and thus illegal, immoral, and illiberal?

You might have a problem with that abortion thingy...and how would you ever be able to decide tampons or pads?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

These are more Trap laws. I would post more but there are some who will never believe a war on women exists and it is an unwritten policy of the GOP.

The GOP is waging a war on privacy rights and equal access to the law; women are but ‘collateral damage.’

I don't think so; I think women are targeted. I can't imagine a member of the GOP introducing a Jim Crow law today, some may wish they could, but to do so would result in public condemnation and a movement for recall.

Even that fool crusaderfrank wouldn't go so far as to advocate separate but equal drinking fountains and restrooms (well, he's so FU he might). As for the GOP's efforts to wage war on other citizens, DOMA and DADT are too more issues wherein their bigotry is well known.

We also know that the Dixiecrats who ran Strom Thurmand for President left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed and was signed into law by LBJ.

This is one more distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans and one of many reason I'm a registered D and have almost always voted for the D candidate (I voted for John Anderson in 1980).

It’s all part of the conservative fallacy that contraception and abortion ‘facilitate irresponsible behavior.’ That by banning abortion and restricting contraception, women would refrain from being ‘promiscuous.’ The right is oblivious to the fact that women were having abortions long before Roe and will continue to do so should the practice again be criminalized.
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[logical4u]

Well, this thread has been hijacked and I've been lectured on morality by an imbecile who can't spell immoral (imoral?).

A spelling error makes you an imbecile? That is sooooo judgmental (thought you guys were all about "acceptance")

Wrong again, you're an imbecile who can't spell.

Yes, love that civility that comes from the left....

 

[logical4u]

The GOP is waging a war on privacy rights and equal access to the law; women are but ‘collateral damage.’

I don't think so; I think women are targeted. I can't imagine a member of the GOP introducing a Jim Crow law today, some may wish they could, but to do so would result in public condemnation and a movement for recall.

Even that fool crusaderfrank wouldn't go so far as to advocate separate but equal drinking fountains and restrooms (well, he's so FU he might). As for the GOP's efforts to wage war on other citizens, DOMA and DADT are too more issues wherein their bigotry is well known.

We also know that the Dixiecrats who ran Strom Thurmand for President left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed and was signed into law by LBJ.

This is one more distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans and one of many reason I'm a registered D and have almost always voted for the D candidate (I voted for John Anderson in 1980).

It’s all part of the conservative fallacy that contraception and abortion ‘facilitate irresponsible behavior.’ That by banning abortion and restricting contraception, women would refrain from being ‘promiscuous.’ The right is oblivious to the fact that women were having abortions long before Roe and will continue to do so should the practice again be criminalized.
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Please, list those who want to see abortion "criminalized".

 

[Wry Catcher]

More examples that the GOP war on women continues unabated with news that Gov. Walker (R -WI) singed Act 219 which passed by party-line votes in the Republican controlled legislature.

The Ed Show - 'Cowardly' Scott Walker launches all-out attack on women from behind closed doors

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Walker quietly signed a set of contentious GOP bills barring abortion coverage through health insurance exchanges, requiring doctors to consult privately with women seeking abortions and mandating sex education teachers stress abstinence.

This is consistent with conservative authoritarianism, the right’s advocacy of the powerful state and big government at the expense of individual liberty.

 

[Oddball]

Walker quietly signed a set of contentious GOP bills barring abortion coverage through health insurance exchanges, requiring doctors to consult privately with women seeking abortions and mandating sex education teachers stress abstinence.

This is consistent with conservative authoritarianism, the right’s advocacy of the powerful state and big government at the expense of individual liberty.

A shame know-it-all hack douchebags like you are completely blind to advocacy of the powerful state and big gubmint at the expense of individual liberty from the left.

But it is consistent with progressive/socialist authoritarianism, which makes it all good.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Walker quietly signed a set of contentious GOP bills barring abortion coverage through health insurance exchanges, requiring doctors to consult privately with women seeking abortions and mandating sex education teachers stress abstinence.

This is consistent with conservative authoritarianism, the right’s advocacy of the powerful state and big government at the expense of individual liberty.

Wow, did you get that wrong, or what?

 

[hortysir]

The underlying issue WhiningCrapper, and other Liberals, suffer from is the uncontrollable urge to label any and every one a Victim.
There has to be the oppressed and the oppressor.

It's a fundamental flaw.
There's no changing it.

*unsub*

 

[Iplaynaked]

If men get boner pills from health insurance women should get birth control... I take that back men SHOULDN'T get boner pills and ALL women should get birth control. I'd rather have a bunch of flaccid penises and no pregnant ladies then hard-ons everywhere and girls pregnant.

 

[logical4u]

If men get boner pills from health insurance women should get birth control... I take that back men SHOULDN'T get boner pills and ALL women should get birth control. I'd rather have a bunch of flaccid penises and no pregnant ladies then hard-ons everywhere and girls pregnant.

Fact:
One assists the body in functioning "normally".
One stops the body from functioning "normally" (side affects: bleeding, heart attacks, different forms of cancer have increased risk, pregnancy, etc)

Birth control is now relatively cheap, and those that want it, can buy it over the counter at low costs. Even the perscription birth control is reasonable. Why add to everyone's medical costs for products that are readily available, and only needed by a percentage of women (between ages of ~18 and ~50, if we care about the "children" and don't encourage "children" to have sex). What is next, requiring insurance companies to cover femine hygiene products, products for jock itch, mild athlete foot products?

I thought the non-republicans were all about REDUCING health care costs for people?

 

[Arizona_Mildman]

You have been lied to about health care. The health care insurance lobbies are paying LARGE campaign contributions in order to quit paying for women's coverage and keep collecting for insurance premiums. You should all watch this video if you care about women's rights at all: Go to Youtube and search for Old Fart Rants. Look at his video entitled "Thieves in Elephant Skin" to hear what we all should know by now.

 

[Arizona_Mildman]

Insurance Lobbies are in charge of all this, it isn't really a morality issue, despite what some politicians say. Show me somewhere in the bible where it talks about birth control or abortion.