Women need birth control because "they can't control their libido"

[Faun]

Crap.

Pay for your own medications and the prices will come down.

The best recent example of that is Cliratin: When it was prescription and covered by insurance plans, it was expensive. When it went OTC, the price plummeted.

Object lesson. Wake the hell up.

And you think paying for your own medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

Insurance doesn't pay for OTC.

It's the insurance moochers and the pharm companies that don't want relatively safe medications like Caritin made OTC. One gets the freebie and the other gets the jacked-up price.

Wake....the.....hell....up.

I understand prescription drugs are more expensive, that's not what I'm asking.

Do you think paying for your own [prescription] medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

 

[Noomi]

Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'control their libido' - NBC Politics

"If the Democrats want to insult women by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system


What is the matter with you women? Can't keep your legs closed?

Too many unwanted babies in the country. If men slapped on a condom before slipping it in, you wouldn't have such a problem!

 

[koshergrl]

Really.

Where are these *unwanted babies* stored, pray tell?

Because as far as I know, there is a definite shortage of babies available for adoption.

 

[koshergrl]

Or..are you just referring to all poor/minority babies as *unwanted babies* because you don't want them around?

 

[candycorn]

So what?

Pay for both by yourselves, you cheapskates!

You pay for your drug plan through your insurance premiums.

The reason viagra isn't on the list of meds covered is that there isn't a therapeutic use for it that is widely recognized. The reason contraceptives (some) should be on is because there is a therapeutic use.

I, personally, believe that happiness that men gain through erections (use your imagination) is therapeutic and should be on drug plans myself.

Crap.

Pay for your own medications and the prices will come down.

The best recent example of that is Claritin: When it was prescription and covered by insurance plans, it was expensive. When it went OTC, the price plummeted.

Object lesson. Wake the hell up.

Or you could have brought Benadryl years before (talk about being asleep)

 

[HelenaHandbag]

And you think paying for your own medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

Insurance doesn't pay for OTC.

It's the insurance moochers and the pharm companies that don't want relatively safe medications like Caritin made OTC. One gets the freebie and the other gets the jacked-up price.

Wake....the.....hell....up.

I understand prescription drugs are more expensive, that's not what I'm asking.

Do you think paying for your own [prescription] medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

At least some of them. Wouldn't that be enough?

As mentioned, the people who fought hardest against Claritin being made OTC were those on insurance plans and the pharm companies.

When it became OTC, Claritin had to compete with Sudafed and other antihistamines. Competition has a leveling effect on prices. There is no argument.

Given my druthers, everything would be OTC. But that's another fish to fry.

 

[Noomi]

Really.

Where are these *unwanted babies* stored, pray tell?

Because as far as I know, there is a definite shortage of babies available for adoption.

If men controlled their sex drives, you wouldn't have any babies up for adoption - adoptable babies were unwanted babies.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Really.

Where are these *unwanted babies* stored, pray tell?

Because as far as I know, there is a definite shortage of babies available for adoption.

If men controlled their sex drives, you wouldn't have any babies up for adoption - adoptable babies were unwanted babies.

Women have no sex drive?

That's news to me.

 

[Faun]

Insurance doesn't pay for OTC.

It's the insurance moochers and the pharm companies that don't want relatively safe medications like Caritin made OTC. One gets the freebie and the other gets the jacked-up price.

Wake....the.....hell....up.

I understand prescription drugs are more expensive, that's not what I'm asking.

Do you think paying for your own [prescription] medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

At least some of them. Wouldn't that be enough?

As mentioned, the people who fought hardest against Claritin being made OTC were those on insurance plans and the pharm companies.

When it became OTC, Claritin had to compete with Sudafed and other antihistamines. Competition has a leveling effect on prices. There is no argument.

Given my druthers, everything would be OTC. But that's another fish to fry.

I don't understand your logic. When you pay full price for prescription drugs because you're paying for it out of pocket instead of through your healthcare plan, big pharma gets the most bang for their buck since they're getting paid full price as opposed to accepting what the insurance company is willing to pay.

How does paying more for prescription medications motivate the drug manufacturers to lower the cost of the medications by making them OTC?

 

[auditor0007]

Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'control their libido' - NBC Politics

"If the Democrats want to insult women by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system


What is the matter with you women? Can't keep your legs closed?

Women are only to have sex when they are ready to become pregnant and have children. There is no other reason for women to have sex. And one other thing, they should only have sex in the missionary position, and for God's sake, no oral sex. Oh, and if you happen to be one of those freaks who enjoy anal sex, then you are going to Hell.

 

[koshergrl]

Really.

Where are these *unwanted babies* stored, pray tell?

Because as far as I know, there is a definite shortage of babies available for adoption.

If men controlled their sex drives, you wouldn't have any babies up for adoption - adoptable babies were unwanted babies.

So you maintain we have a surplus of adoptable babies?

Like I said, where is this surplus of adoptable babies? And if people want to adopt them, how are they *unwanted*?

Let's have some stats, numbers, specifics. Tell me where all the poor unwanted babies are at , Noomi. Presumably there are a whole shitload of them languishing somewhere (like they do in China...where abortion is mandated).

Tell me, because I know a lot of people who are looking to adopt, who end up going to China (where abortion is mandated) because they can't find any *unwanted babies* in this country.

 

[R.D.]

really.

Where are these *unwanted babies* stored, pray tell?

Because as far as i know, there is a definite shortage of babies available for adoption.

if men controlled their sex drives, you wouldn't have any babies up for adoption - adoptable babies were unwanted babies.

 

[candycorn]

I understand prescription drugs are more expensive, that's not what I'm asking.

Do you think paying for your own [prescription] medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

At least some of them. Wouldn't that be enough?

As mentioned, the people who fought hardest against Claritin being made OTC were those on insurance plans and the pharm companies.

When it became OTC, Claritin had to compete with Sudafed and other antihistamines. Competition has a leveling effect on prices. There is no argument.

Given my druthers, everything would be OTC. But that's another fish to fry.

I don't understand your logic. When you pay full price for prescription drugs because you're paying for it out of pocket instead of through your healthcare plan, big pharma gets the most bang for their buck since they're getting paid full price as opposed to accepting what the insurance company is willing to pay.

How does paying more for prescription medications motivate the drug manufacturers to lower the cost of the medications by making them OTC?

What drug companies do most often is called "evergreen-ing". They make a minor change in a product that is about to lose patent protection and file for a new patent (Hence Claritin D).

I think what Helen is claiming is that since insurance companies and their deep pockets aren't paying for OTC drugs, that if you make Warfarin OTC,the price will drop since the only ones that can afford them will be people paying out of pocket.

 

[Wildman]

Huckabee: Dems say women need government to 'control their libido' - NBC Politics

"If the Democrats want to insult women by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system


What is the matter with you women? Can't keep your legs closed?

These idiots will just never learn, will they.

who ? the liberals ??

 

[Faun]

At least some of them. Wouldn't that be enough?

As mentioned, the people who fought hardest against Claritin being made OTC were those on insurance plans and the pharm companies.

When it became OTC, Claritin had to compete with Sudafed and other antihistamines. Competition has a leveling effect on prices. There is no argument.

Given my druthers, everything would be OTC. But that's another fish to fry.

I don't understand your logic. When you pay full price for prescription drugs because you're paying for it out of pocket instead of through your healthcare plan, big pharma gets the most bang for their buck since they're getting paid full price as opposed to accepting what the insurance company is willing to pay.

How does paying more for prescription medications motivate the drug manufacturers to lower the cost of the medications by making them OTC?

What drug companies do most often is called "evergreen-ing". They make a minor change in a product that is about to lose patent protection and file for a new patent (Hence Claritin D).

I think what Helen is claiming is that since insurance companies and their deep pockets aren't paying for OTC drugs, that if you make Warfarin OTC,the price will drop since the only ones that can afford them will be people paying out of pocket.

Now that would make sense -- but she said paying for prescription drugs out of pocket will lower the cost and I just don't see how that would?

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I understand prescription drugs are more expensive, that's not what I'm asking.

Do you think paying for your own [prescription] medications is going to cause them to be switched to OTC?

At least some of them. Wouldn't that be enough?

As mentioned, the people who fought hardest against Claritin being made OTC were those on insurance plans and the pharm companies.

When it became OTC, Claritin had to compete with Sudafed and other antihistamines. Competition has a leveling effect on prices. There is no argument.

Given my druthers, everything would be OTC. But that's another fish to fry.

I don't understand your logic. When you pay full price for prescription drugs because you're paying for it out of pocket instead of through your healthcare plan, big pharma gets the most bang for their buck since they're getting paid full price as opposed to accepting what the insurance company is willing to pay.

How does paying more for prescription medications motivate the drug manufacturers to lower the cost of the medications by making them OTC?

Do you really think that the administrative machine of the insurance company comes on the cheap?

NO!

They are one step in the way between you and your transaction with the company selling the medication. Why would they be interested in making the medication less expensive?

 

[Faun]

At least some of them. Wouldn't that be enough?

As mentioned, the people who fought hardest against Claritin being made OTC were those on insurance plans and the pharm companies.

When it became OTC, Claritin had to compete with Sudafed and other antihistamines. Competition has a leveling effect on prices. There is no argument.

Given my druthers, everything would be OTC. But that's another fish to fry.

I don't understand your logic. When you pay full price for prescription drugs because you're paying for it out of pocket instead of through your healthcare plan, big pharma gets the most bang for their buck since they're getting paid full price as opposed to accepting what the insurance company is willing to pay.

How does paying more for prescription medications motivate the drug manufacturers to lower the cost of the medications by making them OTC?

Do you really think that the administrative machine of the insurance company comes on the cheap?

NO!

They are one step in the way between you and your transaction with the company selling the medication. Why would the be interested in making the medication less expensive?

I didn't say it was cheap. I said they don't pay full price for medicines, which is why people can get the same drug cheaper by paying for it through their insurance. But you're saying paying full price will bring the price down -- how??

 

[koshergrl]

The children in the foster system aren't *unwanted*, and they are not offal created by women who don't use birth control or who wanted to abort but were prevented. They are wanted very much by their mothers, or they would be put up for adoption at birth. The state dictated at some point that their mothers aren't able to care for them, and they will take them into custody, and then place them TEMPORARILY with foster families, who are not ALLOWED to adopt them until years of reconciliation attempts with the child's real parents have failed.

There are pretty much ZERO babies available for adoption in the foster system for that reason. And none of these are the result of lack of birth control or abortion.

So your insistence that adoption is not a good alternative to abortion is ridiculous. There is a huge demand for infants. There is no such thing as an *unwanted* infant in this country. The whole concept is false.

Even the older children who are in foster care would be adopted, if the state didn't make it such a nightmare to do so. Foster parents grow attached to foster children, but they are forced to interact with the parents of the kids, and the kids are repeatedly placed back with their parents, only to be removed again, because of the state's insistence that reunification is the primary objective of the foster system.

Reunification shouldn't be the primary focus. It should be the best interests of the children...but the foster system is a leftist machine, and leftists don't put the best interests of children before ANYTHING.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I don't understand your logic. When you pay full price for prescription drugs because you're paying for it out of pocket instead of through your healthcare plan, big pharma gets the most bang for their buck since they're getting paid full price as opposed to accepting what the insurance company is willing to pay.

How does paying more for prescription medications motivate the drug manufacturers to lower the cost of the medications by making them OTC?

Do you really think that the administrative machine of the insurance company comes on the cheap?

NO!

They are one step in the way between you and your transaction with the company selling the medication. Why would the be interested in making the medication less expensive?

I didn't say it was cheap. I said they don't pay full price for medicines, which is why people can get the same drug cheaper by paying for it through their insurance. But you're saying paying full price will bring the price down -- how??

Because "full price" becomes less when there isn't a third party involved in the transaction.

The pharm company is vested because the insurer acts as the "street dealer", as it were. The insurers are vested in keeping prescription drugs from becoming OTC because they get a cut of the inflated price. The insured end consumer doesn't really care because they get their medications for "free".

The ones who get chumped are those at the bottom of the economic ladder, who could get a safe and effective medication at market prices, were it not for all those middlemen jacking with the system.

 

[Wildman]

Huckabee wasn't expressing his own opinion but the obvious opinion that democrats have of women. Certainly democrats have to feel that women are basic slaves to an out of control libido. Women need a strong government that will provide for them including birth control. That's what he was saying.

Damn sluts like to have sex without having babies......must be Democrats

NO ! democrat women want to get screwed so they can get pregnant just to snuff out another life by getting an abortion.