WOAH! Tom Homan warns mayors and governors: “Review Title 8 U.S.C. § 1324 - It’s a felony to harbor illegal aliens. Don’t cross that line.”

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§1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees​

(a) Powers without warrant​

Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-
(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;
(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;
(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and
(5) to make arrests-
(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or
(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,

Your bold part only applies to non-citizens.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Your bold part only applies to non-citizens.

Cite the section of the law and copy/paste the text to that effect.

 

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Cite the section of the law and copy/paste the text to that effect.

(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;

 

[M14 Shooter]

(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;

There are 5 concurrent powers listed, each independent of one another.
The the reference to aliens in (1) does not carry over to (4) and (5).

 

[d0gbreath]

There are 5 concurrent powers listed, each independent of one another.
The the reference to aliens in (1) does not carry over to (4) and (5).

The only time that they can detain a citizen is when they think that they might not be one. I doubt that mistake would be made with a known governor. The powers listed are not independent of one another. They are all referring to illegal immigrants. Which are all that ICE can deal with.

 

[SweetTea]

The stupidity is thinking that if you hold up people's assistance checks, they are going to happily take the crap jobs that undocumented immigrants are currently doing.

You'd be surprised what people will do when faced with the idea of not being able to feed themselves or working. Isn't that exactly what the illegals are doing that are not receiving assistance? Why are Americans any different, other than being spoiled with freebees.

Blacks and Hispanics voted overwhelmingly for Harris.

Only 52% of Hispanics voted for Harris. Black support is still heavily Democrat, but that will take longer to swing as many black people still haven't figured out that the Democratic Party is full of racists, like yourself.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The only time that they can detain a citizen is when they think that they might not be one.

The text of the law proves otherwise as (4) and (5) allow them to arrest anyone, with no respect to their citizenship.

The powers listed are not independent of one another.

As each of these powers can be exercised without needing to also exercise the other powers - they are.

They are all referring to illegal immigrants. Which are all that ICE can deal with.

"Alien" is mentioned specifically as the target of the powers given in (1), (2), and (3), but not (4) and (5)
Thus, (1), (2), and (3) may only be exercised with respect to aliens, but (4) and (5) have no such restriction.
Thus, the text of the law proves otherwise.

 

[d0gbreath]

The text of the law proves otherwise as (4) and (5) allow them to arrest anyone, with no respect to their citizenship.

As each of these powers can be exercised without needing to also exercise the other powers - they are.

"Alien" is mentioned specifically as the target of the powers given in (1), (2), and (3), but not (4) and (5)
Thus, (1), (2), and (3) may only be exercised with respect to aliens, but (4) and (5) have no such restriction.
Thus, the text of the law proves otherwise.

Nice conversation, but we're going in circles now.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a Governor, or Mayor, being arrested by ICE. Please let me know if you see that happen.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nice conversation, but we're going in circles now.

Because you refuse to accept the fact the text of the law which creates, defines and confers ICE's arrest and detention powers proves your position wrong.

If your interpretation of the law is correct, a citizen could stab and kill and ICE officer and the ICE officer next to him does not power to make an arrest.

 

[d0gbreath]

Because you refuse to accept the fact the text of the law which creates, defines and confers ICE's arrest and detention powers proves your position wrong.

If your interpretation of the law is correct, a citizen could stab and kill and ICE officer and the ICE officer next to him does not power to make an arrest.

Since you're getting silly now; why wouldn't the murderer stab and kill both of them?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Since you're getting silly now; why wouldn't the murderer stab and kill both of them?

Can't admit you're wrong, eh?
Bless your heart.

 

[d0gbreath]

Can't admit you're wrong, eh?
Bless your heart.

I do not feel that I'm incorrect. I believe that you are seeing in the statute, what you want to see, which isn't there. Now, ICE might be able to call another law enforcement agency and complain about illegal immigrants being harbored, but that is all that they can legally do.

 

[Rawley]

Homan's new position seems to have gone to his head. He should realize that he has no power to arrest Governors and Mayors, at all.

If they interfere with Federal immigration LEOs, he certainly can. I wouldn't call his bluff.

"More than us having [Denver Police] stationed at the county line to keep them out, you would have 50,000 Denverites there," he said. "It's like the Tiananmen Square moment with the rose and the gun, right? You'd have every one of those Highland moms who came out for the migrants. And you do not want to mess with them."

Mayor predicts "Tiananmen Square moment" with Trump deportation plan

Denver Mayor Mike Johnston said his city has vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump's immigration policies.

www.newsweek.com

 

[M14 Shooter]

I do not feel that I'm incorrect. I believe that you are seeing in the statute, what you want to see, which isn't there. Now, ICE might be able to call another law enforcement agency and complain about illegal immigrants being harbored, but that is all that they can legally do.

You're lying to yourself.
And you have lied your last to me.

 

[d0gbreath]

You're lying to yourself.
And you have lied your last to me.

Bless your heart.

 

[d0gbreath]

If they interfere with Federal immigration LEOs, he certainly can. I wouldn't call his bluff.

"More than us having [Denver Police] stationed at the county line to keep them out, you would have 50,000 Denverites there," he said. "It's like the Tiananmen Square moment with the rose and the gun, right? You'd have every one of those Highland moms who came out for the migrants. And you do not want to mess with them."

Mayor predicts "Tiananmen Square moment" with Trump deportation plan

Denver Mayor Mike Johnston said his city has vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump's immigration policies.

www.newsweek.com

Thanks for the link. I haven't been to Denver in a very long time, but even back then, they had an enormous Hispanic neighborhood. They're good people, and the people of Colorado will support them, with force if necessary.

 

[Rawley]

Thanks for the link. I haven't been to Denver in a very long time, but even back then, they had an enormous Hispanic neighborhood. They're good people, and the people of Colorado will support them, with force if necessary.

You support state and local police as well as civilians using force against ICE agents? Really? You want to think about that? Perhaps you should listen to Holman directly. He's not going after "good people" he's going after criminals. Why on God's green earth anyone would want criminals in their communities is beyond me.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Perhaps you should listen to Holman directly. He's not going after "good people" he's going after criminals.

What a nauseating lie.

 

[MarathonMike]

Yep. You Mayors, you Governors, violate Federal law come January 21, 2025 and find out.

MAGA!

I just love me some Tom Homan!! His face says "You think I'm fucking around, just try me!"

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The thousands employing illegals.

Maybe they can take this warning and get rid of them. poof problem solved, your fear mongering concerns no longer exist