With 30 Million Unemployed American Citizens, Why Do We Have 600k H1-B Visa Holders Working in US Jobs?

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This is the fraud the media is conducting right now by promoting Marxist Black Lives Matter movement while the real damage to STEM de3gree blacks and Hispanics is done by the H1-B visa programs.

Most places I have worked over the last 15 years, even jobs that required a secret background check, were mostly filled by H1-Bs. How does that work?


The DHS agency studied the shifting number of H-1Bs working in 2018 and 2019. The resident population usually declines in September as the foreign workers go home or get green cards. For most of the year, the number of working H-1Bs was about 600,000, says the report, titled “H-1B Authorized-to-Work Population Estimate.” ...
The USCIS report admits that “no unique identifier exists for all H-1B petitions in the USCIS electronic [system of record, so] we use a methodology of statistical inference.”
“There is no count, so they had to estimate,” said John Miano, a lawyer at the Immigration Reform Law Institute. He said:
The whole thing is astounding. For years, [DHS] has deliberately not stored [visa worker] information into their databases. They only enter selected information into the computers. That was deliberate so that no one could know what is going on. We have sent in all kinds of [Freedom of Information Act] requests, and often the response is ‘we don’t keep track of that.’
The calculation is poorly explained, so “the estimate would be much more believable if that whole process had been explained carefully,” said David North, an expert with the Center for Immigration Studies. “Close to a quarter of the records — dealing with workers who often make $100,000 a year or more — there is no SSN,” he added. “What an admission!”
The failure to track legitimate H-1B documents and workers — or to punish groups for using fake H-1B documents — is routine. For many years, business advocates have kept legislators in the dark by splitting and subdividing oversight of the visa-worker economy between the Departments of State, Homeland Security, and Labor, he said.
This fragmentation has helped to minimize awareness of the scale among journalists and the public. For example, very few reporters describe the scale of the H-1B population to their readers, and most rely on talking points from business advocates who say the program brings in 65,000 or 85,000 “high skilled” workers each year when companies cannot fund U.S. workers.
In reality, up to 85,000 H-1B visas are given out to companies each year, while roughly 15,000 are provided to non-profit groups, including hospitals, research centers, government agencies, and hospitals.



“Of the entire [American technology] workforce, only about a third of those with STEM [science, technology, engineering, or math] degrees are employed in STEM jobs,” according to testimony provided by Hal Salzman, a workforce professor, to a Senate committee on February 25, 2020. He told the Senate’s judiciary committee:
The glut of scientists at the Ph.D. level is so great in areas such as the life sciences, the National Institutes of Health, the global leader in public funding for health science and research, has an $11 million program in universities to develop alternative careers for the nation’s recent doctorates and post-doctoral Fellows. That is, the NIH is funding efforts to find alternative employment for the 30 to 50 percent of recent Ph.D.s who cannot find career employment in the sciences.
Many of the jobs sought by Americans are filled up by visa workers who have no workplace rights, who cannot complain or change jobs, and who will work for low wages in the hope of getting green cards. These visa workers are delivered by pipelines — including the H-1B, OPT, CPT, J-1, and O-1 programs — which allow U.S. employers to ignore U.S. graduates.
This displacement policy is backed by many top investors and CEOs — and is largely ignored by the establishment’s media.
“The science establishment fights to make sure that it doesn’t have to take extraordinary measures to bring blacks, women, other minorities into science by using our immigration system,” said a June 11 video by Weinstein, a Harvard-trained scientist who is also the managing director at Thiel Capital.
“Cancelling the evil H1-B program would/will cause a tremendous amount of short term damage to the U.S. and will be painful for many wonderful highly skilled workers and is also long overdue,” he said via a June 22 tweet.
 
This is the fraud the media is conducting right now by promoting Marxist Black Lives Matter movement while the real damage to STEM de3gree blacks and Hispanics is done by the H1-B visa programs.

Most places I have worked over the last 15 years, even jobs that required a secret background check, were mostly filled by H1-Bs. How does that work?


The DHS agency studied the shifting number of H-1Bs working in 2018 and 2019. The resident population usually declines in September as the foreign workers go home or get green cards. For most of the year, the number of working H-1Bs was about 600,000, says the report, titled “H-1B Authorized-to-Work Population Estimate.” ...
The USCIS report admits that “no unique identifier exists for all H-1B petitions in the USCIS electronic [system of record, so] we use a methodology of statistical inference.”
“There is no count, so they had to estimate,” said John Miano, a lawyer at the Immigration Reform Law Institute. He said:
The whole thing is astounding. For years, [DHS] has deliberately not stored [visa worker] information into their databases. They only enter selected information into the computers. That was deliberate so that no one could know what is going on. We have sent in all kinds of [Freedom of Information Act] requests, and often the response is ‘we don’t keep track of that.’
The calculation is poorly explained, so “the estimate would be much more believable if that whole process had been explained carefully,” said David North, an expert with the Center for Immigration Studies. “Close to a quarter of the records — dealing with workers who often make $100,000 a year or more — there is no SSN,” he added. “What an admission!”
The failure to track legitimate H-1B documents and workers — or to punish groups for using fake H-1B documents — is routine. For many years, business advocates have kept legislators in the dark by splitting and subdividing oversight of the visa-worker economy between the Departments of State, Homeland Security, and Labor, he said.
This fragmentation has helped to minimize awareness of the scale among journalists and the public. For example, very few reporters describe the scale of the H-1B population to their readers, and most rely on talking points from business advocates who say the program brings in 65,000 or 85,000 “high skilled” workers each year when companies cannot fund U.S. workers.
In reality, up to 85,000 H-1B visas are given out to companies each year, while roughly 15,000 are provided to non-profit groups, including hospitals, research centers, government agencies, and hospitals.



“Of the entire [American technology] workforce, only about a third of those with STEM [science, technology, engineering, or math] degrees are employed in STEM jobs,” according to testimony provided by Hal Salzman, a workforce professor, to a Senate committee on February 25, 2020. He told the Senate’s judiciary committee:
The glut of scientists at the Ph.D. level is so great in areas such as the life sciences, the National Institutes of Health, the global leader in public funding for health science and research, has an $11 million program in universities to develop alternative careers for the nation’s recent doctorates and post-doctoral Fellows. That is, the NIH is funding efforts to find alternative employment for the 30 to 50 percent of recent Ph.D.s who cannot find career employment in the sciences.
Many of the jobs sought by Americans are filled up by visa workers who have no workplace rights, who cannot complain or change jobs, and who will work for low wages in the hope of getting green cards. These visa workers are delivered by pipelines — including the H-1B, OPT, CPT, J-1, and O-1 programs — which allow U.S. employers to ignore U.S. graduates.
This displacement policy is backed by many top investors and CEOs — and is largely ignored by the establishment’s media.
“The science establishment fights to make sure that it doesn’t have to take extraordinary measures to bring blacks, women, other minorities into science by using our immigration system,” said a June 11 video by Weinstein, a Harvard-trained scientist who is also the managing director at Thiel Capital.
“Cancelling the evil H1-B program would/will cause a tremendous amount of short term damage to the U.S. and will be painful for many wonderful highly skilled workers and is also long overdue,” he said via a June 22 tweet.
/——/ Mainly because American students have been dumbed down so much, they don’t meet the requirements for specialized jobs. And the foreigners will work for lower pay.
 
Didn't Trump block most of this?

I will say, there are some programs, such as A.I, Machine Learning, programming (which I have focused on for over a year now) which one cannot just learn from even a degree. There are so many changes and applications of new software libraries, that one has to be actively curious to stay current.

Also, sometimes the best talent isn't in the U.S.A and you want to have it, though I think this is overplayed at times by companies who just want lower wages. I do find it interesting that such companies are interested in recruiting from India, which is sure to just bring lower wages to that sector. I believe there is great talent in Europe that the U.S and Canada is missing out on simply to chase lower wages.

Also ask Tucker Carlson why he isn't reporting Trumps latest order after he whined that Trump should do something along these lines. He now goes silent on the issue when Trump fixes it...so weird...
 
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This is the fraud the media is conducting right now by promoting Marxist Black Lives Matter movement while the real damage to STEM de3gree blacks and Hispanics is done by the H1-B visa programs.

Most places I have worked over the last 15 years, even jobs that required a secret background check, were mostly filled by H1-Bs. How does that work?


The DHS agency studied the shifting number of H-1Bs working in 2018 and 2019. The resident population usually declines in September as the foreign workers go home or get green cards. For most of the year, the number of working H-1Bs was about 600,000, says the report, titled “H-1B Authorized-to-Work Population Estimate.” ...
The USCIS report admits that “no unique identifier exists for all H-1B petitions in the USCIS electronic [system of record, so] we use a methodology of statistical inference.”
“There is no count, so they had to estimate,” said John Miano, a lawyer at the Immigration Reform Law Institute. He said:
The whole thing is astounding. For years, [DHS] has deliberately not stored [visa worker] information into their databases. They only enter selected information into the computers. That was deliberate so that no one could know what is going on. We have sent in all kinds of [Freedom of Information Act] requests, and often the response is ‘we don’t keep track of that.’
The calculation is poorly explained, so “the estimate would be much more believable if that whole process had been explained carefully,” said David North, an expert with the Center for Immigration Studies. “Close to a quarter of the records — dealing with workers who often make $100,000 a year or more — there is no SSN,” he added. “What an admission!”
The failure to track legitimate H-1B documents and workers — or to punish groups for using fake H-1B documents — is routine. For many years, business advocates have kept legislators in the dark by splitting and subdividing oversight of the visa-worker economy between the Departments of State, Homeland Security, and Labor, he said.
This fragmentation has helped to minimize awareness of the scale among journalists and the public. For example, very few reporters describe the scale of the H-1B population to their readers, and most rely on talking points from business advocates who say the program brings in 65,000 or 85,000 “high skilled” workers each year when companies cannot fund U.S. workers.
In reality, up to 85,000 H-1B visas are given out to companies each year, while roughly 15,000 are provided to non-profit groups, including hospitals, research centers, government agencies, and hospitals.



“Of the entire [American technology] workforce, only about a third of those with STEM [science, technology, engineering, or math] degrees are employed in STEM jobs,” according to testimony provided by Hal Salzman, a workforce professor, to a Senate committee on February 25, 2020. He told the Senate’s judiciary committee:
The glut of scientists at the Ph.D. level is so great in areas such as the life sciences, the National Institutes of Health, the global leader in public funding for health science and research, has an $11 million program in universities to develop alternative careers for the nation’s recent doctorates and post-doctoral Fellows. That is, the NIH is funding efforts to find alternative employment for the 30 to 50 percent of recent Ph.D.s who cannot find career employment in the sciences.
Many of the jobs sought by Americans are filled up by visa workers who have no workplace rights, who cannot complain or change jobs, and who will work for low wages in the hope of getting green cards. These visa workers are delivered by pipelines — including the H-1B, OPT, CPT, J-1, and O-1 programs — which allow U.S. employers to ignore U.S. graduates.
This displacement policy is backed by many top investors and CEOs — and is largely ignored by the establishment’s media.
“The science establishment fights to make sure that it doesn’t have to take extraordinary measures to bring blacks, women, other minorities into science by using our immigration system,” said a June 11 video by Weinstein, a Harvard-trained scientist who is also the managing director at Thiel Capital.
“Cancelling the evil H1-B program would/will cause a tremendous amount of short term damage to the U.S. and will be painful for many wonderful highly skilled workers and is also long overdue,” he said via a June 22 tweet.

This is the media's fault? Sounds like your blob is to blame.
 
"With 30 Million Unemployed American Citizens, Why Do We Have 600k H1-B Visa Holders Working in US Jobs?"

The Plutocracy, unwilling to provide for a first-rate education and supporting talent domestically - even those poor pikers unwisely choosing poor parents, who cannot pay their offspring a place at a top-rated college - would rather scoop up talent around the world, depriving developing nations of their most needed resource.

Yeah, must be the media's fault. Breitbart said so, and, right on cue, the usual spluttering apoplexy ensues.
 
"With 30 Million Unemployed American Citizens, Why Do We Have 600k H1-B Visa Holders Working in US Jobs?"

The Plutocracy, unwilling to provide for a first-rate education and supporting talent domestically - even those poor pikers unwisely choosing poor parents, who cannot pay their offspring a place at a top-rated college - would rather scoop up talent around the world, depriving developing nations of their most needed resource.

Yeah, must be the media's fault. Breitbart said so, and, right on cue, the usual spluttering apoplexy ensues.
/——/ We already spend more on education than most other countries and in the past we had enough grads to fill these jobs. It’s how the students are being taught. And being poor doesn’t stop a student from learning. So stop with the lame excuses.
 
The highly skilled workers come from India. I've had a problem with all work visas, even unskilled. The employers don't want to pay the workers what they are worth,

and Tramp is a big user of unskilled labor.
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/——/ Mainly because American students have been dumbed down so much, they don’t meet the requirements for specialized jobs. And the foreigners will work for lower pay.
I have tested at the top quarter of my profession and I have been laid off in favor of cheap H1-Bs too.

The claim that American STEM graduates are not up to the job is simply a slanderous lie on your fellow Americans.
 
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Didn't Trump block most of this?

I will say, there are some programs, such as A.I, Machine Learning, programming (which I have focused on for over a year now) which one cannot just learn from even a degree. There are so many changes and applications of new software libraries, that one has to be actively curious to stay current.

Also, sometimes the best talent isn't in the U.S.A and you want to have it, though I think this is overplayed at times by companies who just want lower wages. I do find it interesting that such companies are interested in recruiting from India, which is sure to just bring lower wages to that sector. I believe there is great talent in Europe that the U.S and Canada is missing out on simply to chase lower wages.

Also ask Tucker Carlson why he isn't reporting Trumps latest order after he whined that Trump should do something along these lines. He now goes silent on the issue when Trump fixes it...so weird...
Trump has been working on it, but it is complicated, as the lack of a primary key to ID H1-Bs alone would suggest. Corporate America has gone to enormous lengths to cover their tracks and protect their skulduggery from the public.
 
/——/ Mainly because American students have been dumbed down so much, they don’t meet the requirements for specialized jobs. And the foreigners will work for lower pay.
I have tested at the top quarter of my profession and I have been laid off in favor of che3ap H1-Bs too.

The claim that American STEM graduates are not up to the job is simply a slanderous lie on your fellow Americans.
/——/ I’m talking about students in general being dumbed down, not STEM.
 
Look to the Legal community. These companies that insist on hiring foreigners (because they will work for less) are aided by big-city law firms that are skilled at "proving" unavailability of qualified U.S. workers, when there are Americans out there looking for work.
 

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