Windfarms can kill Eagles for 30 years

[westwall]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.


Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."


Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com





Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

 

[ScienceRocks]

A oil guy attacking something that kills 20 times less then his favorite source. LOL.

Yes, making energy is going to KILL animals. Fine balance we have to make and I believe with the new radars going into place that less are now being killed.

 

[TheOldSchool]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.


Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."


Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com





Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Why are you acting like you give a fuck about eagles?

You must've missed the other 5 or 6 threads made by republicans who all of a sudden want to save the eagles.

Who knows maybe it's in earnest! Save the eagles! Stand by your sudden convictions!

 

[RollingThunder]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.

Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

So, walleyed, you've glommed onto one of the latest propaganda ploys that the fossil fuel industry is trying to use to attack the clean renewable energy sources that threaten their dominance of the energy market and, of course, their profits. Why am I not surprised?

Although everyone involved regrets the bird deaths being caused by some of the wind turbines, which the turbine designers and operators are working hard to prevent, the number of bird deaths due to the wind turbines is extremely minuscule compared to all of the other bird deaths that humans are responsible for. The extraction, processing and refining, and burning of fossil fuels kills orders of magnitude more birds than the wind turbines do. Also unchecked global warming from the use of fossil fuels, which the clean renewable energy wind turbines can help offset, will eventually kill tens of thousands of times as many birds as the wind turbines do now and may well drive some bird species into extinction.

Federal Study Highlights Spike in Eagle Deaths at Wind Farms
National Geographic
by Patrick J. Kiger
September 12, 2013
(excerpts)
A newly published study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service researchers says that wind energy facilities have killed at least 85 golden and bald eagles between 1997 and 2012—and that eagle fatalities possibly may be much higher. The study also indicates that eagle deaths have increased dramatically in recent years as the nation has turned increasingly to wind farms as a source of renewable, low-pollution energy, with nearly 80 percent of the fatalities occurring between 2008 and 2012 alone. (See related post: “Wind Farm Faces Fine Over Golden Eagle’s Death.”) The study, published in the September issue of Journal of Raptor Research, is one of the first efforts to calculate the injuries and deaths suffered by eagles that fly into the blades of horizontal wind turbines. Many of the areas that are promising sources of wind energy unfortunately also overlap with eagle habitats, and eagles are at risk because their senses tend to be focused upon the ground as they look for prey, rather than staring ahead to see spinning blades. Dismemberment or blunt-force trauma from colliding with the turbines seems to be the most common fate for the eagles that fly into the facilities, though at least one eagle was electrocuted.

John Anderson, an official with the American Wind Energy Association, said that the eagle deaths cited in the study only represent an “extremely small portion” of human-caused mortality for both golden and bald eagle species. A statement on the industry association’s website also noted that most eagle fatalities are concentrated at a small number of older wind facilities built in the 1980s, before the interaction of eagles with turbines was well understood. The study found that the majority of the eagle deaths between 1997 and 2012 occurred in Wyoming, which had 29 deaths, and California, which had 27. Oregon came in a distant third with six deaths, and three states—Washington, Colorado and New Mexico—each had five eagles killed during that period. (See related post: “Montana Wind Turbines Give Way to Raptors.”) The researchers warned that the survey most likely understates the number of eagle deaths, because of a lack of rigorous monitoring and reporting. The study also excluded the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area in California, where various studies suggest that between 40 and 116 golden eagles are killed annually, according to a 2006 California Energy Commission report, though recently the farm has shown progress in reducing overall bird deaths. (See related post: “Notorious Altamont Wind Area Becomes Safer for Birds.”) Fish and Wildlife official King said there is a lack of reliable data about overall eagle mortality, but noted that wind energy facilities are just one of numerous risks to the birds, who also die in collisions with power lines and buildings, and are sometimes killed by cars while eating roadkill.


Conspiracies Don’t Kill Birds. People, However, Do.
The New York Times
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
January 17, 2011
(excerpts)
At the beginning of this month when about 5,000 red-winged blackbirds fell from the sky in one night in Arkansas, biologists were called on to put a damper on public speculation about pesticides and secret military tests by reminding everyone how many birds there are and how many die. They often do so as a result of human activity, but in far more mundane and dispiriting ways than conspiracy buffs might imagine. “Five billion birds die in the U.S. every year,” said Melanie Driscoll, a biologist and director of bird conservation for the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi Flyway for the National Audubon Society. That means that on average, 13.7 million birds die in this country every day. This number, while large, needs to be put into context. The federal Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that a minimum of 10 billion birds breed in the United States every year and that as many as 20 billion may be in the country during the fall migratory season.

Even without humans, tens of millions of birds would be lost each year to natural predators and natural accidents — millions of fledglings die during their first attempts at flight. But according to the Fish and Wildlife Service, people have severely complicated the task of survival. Although mortality rates are difficult to calculate for certain, using modeling and other methods like extrapolation from local research findings, the government has come up with estimates of how many birds die from various causes in the United States. Some of the biggest death traps are surprising. Almost everyone has an experience with a pet proudly bringing home a songbird in its jaws. Nationally, domestic and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds each year, according to the government. One study done in Wisconsin found that domestic rural cats alone (thus excluding a large number of suburban and urban cats) killed roughly 39 million birds a year. Pesticides kill 72 million birds directly, but an unknown and probably larger number ingest the poisons and die later unseen. Orphaned chicks also go uncounted. And then there is flying into objects, which is most likely what killed the birds in Arkansas. The government estimates that strikes against building windows alone account for anywhere from 97 million to nearly 976 million bird deaths a year. Cars kill another 60 million or so. High-tension transmission and power distribution lines are also deadly obstacles. Extrapolating from European studies, the Fish and Wildlife Service estimates 174 million birds die each year by flying into these wires. None of these numbers take into account the largest killer of birds in America: loss of habitat to development.


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[ScienceRocks]

Yeah, it is truly mindblowing watching these assholes give a damn about wild life. If they had their way this nation would look like China.

Fuck em.

 

[Politico]

Yeah exactly like China where all the batteries are made. Oh wait.....nevermind.

 

[Old Rocks]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.


Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."


Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com





Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

And the dingleberries like Walleyes still deny that DDT affected the Eagle and Raptor population. The mills killing the raptors is not a good thing. And engineering needs be done to prevent it. But the mills do not present an extinction threat as the DDT did, yet the 'Conservatives' from the obese junkie on down are still screaming about how DDT was perfectly safe for the birds.

 

[percysunshine]

'Windfarms can kill Eagles for 30 years'

...and the eagles stay dead forever. Crony Capitalism is where you find it.

 

[westwall]

A oil guy attacking something that kills 20 times less then his favorite source. LOL.

Yes, making energy is going to KILL animals. Fine balance we have to make and I believe with the new radars going into place that less are now being killed.

I'm not an "oil guy" Matthew. And I am in favor of alternatives, but only if they do less environmental harm than that which they are replacing and are at least as efficient as that which they replace. Wind and solar are neither. And windfarms kill more critters in a year than big oil has killed in 100.

 

[westwall]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.


Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."


Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com





Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Why are you acting like you give a fuck about eagles?

You must've missed the other 5 or 6 threads made by republicans who all of a sudden want to save the eagles.

Who knows maybe it's in earnest! Save the eagles! Stand by your sudden convictions!

Because I do, and I am a DEMOCRAT asswipe.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Oil spills kill more animals in a single spill then wind has killed over the past 20.

 

[Mr Natural]

The eagles are going to commit mass suicide on these things.

 

[Papageorgio]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.

Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

So, walleyed, you've glommed onto one of the latest propaganda ploys that the fossil fuel industry is trying to use to attack the clean renewable energy sources that threaten their dominance of the energy market and, of course, their profits. Why am I not surprised?

Although everyone involved regrets the bird deaths being caused by some of the wind turbines, which the turbine designers and operators are working hard to prevent, the number of bird deaths due to the wind turbines is extremely minuscule compared to all of the other bird deaths that humans are responsible for. The extraction, processing and refining, and burning of fossil fuels kills orders of magnitude more birds than the wind turbines do. Also unchecked global warming from the use of fossil fuels, which the clean renewable energy wind turbines can help offset, will eventually kill tens of thousands of times as many birds as the wind turbines do now and may well drive some bird species into extinction.

Federal Study Highlights Spike in Eagle Deaths at Wind Farms
National Geographic
by Patrick J. Kiger
September 12, 2013
(excerpts)
A newly published study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service researchers says that wind energy facilities have killed at least 85 golden and bald eagles between 1997 and 2012—and that eagle fatalities possibly may be much higher. The study also indicates that eagle deaths have increased dramatically in recent years as the nation has turned increasingly to wind farms as a source of renewable, low-pollution energy, with nearly 80 percent of the fatalities occurring between 2008 and 2012 alone. (See related post: “Wind Farm Faces Fine Over Golden Eagle’s Death.”) The study, published in the September issue of Journal of Raptor Research, is one of the first efforts to calculate the injuries and deaths suffered by eagles that fly into the blades of horizontal wind turbines. Many of the areas that are promising sources of wind energy unfortunately also overlap with eagle habitats, and eagles are at risk because their senses tend to be focused upon the ground as they look for prey, rather than staring ahead to see spinning blades. Dismemberment or blunt-force trauma from colliding with the turbines seems to be the most common fate for the eagles that fly into the facilities, though at least one eagle was electrocuted.

John Anderson, an official with the American Wind Energy Association, said that the eagle deaths cited in the study only represent an “extremely small portion” of human-caused mortality for both golden and bald eagle species. A statement on the industry association’s website also noted that most eagle fatalities are concentrated at a small number of older wind facilities built in the 1980s, before the interaction of eagles with turbines was well understood. The study found that the majority of the eagle deaths between 1997 and 2012 occurred in Wyoming, which had 29 deaths, and California, which had 27. Oregon came in a distant third with six deaths, and three states—Washington, Colorado and New Mexico—each had five eagles killed during that period. (See related post: “Montana Wind Turbines Give Way to Raptors.”) The researchers warned that the survey most likely understates the number of eagle deaths, because of a lack of rigorous monitoring and reporting. The study also excluded the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area in California, where various studies suggest that between 40 and 116 golden eagles are killed annually, according to a 2006 California Energy Commission report, though recently the farm has shown progress in reducing overall bird deaths. (See related post: “Notorious Altamont Wind Area Becomes Safer for Birds.”) Fish and Wildlife official King said there is a lack of reliable data about overall eagle mortality, but noted that wind energy facilities are just one of numerous risks to the birds, who also die in collisions with power lines and buildings, and are sometimes killed by cars while eating roadkill.


Conspiracies Don’t Kill Birds. People, However, Do.
The New York Times
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
January 17, 2011
(excerpts)
At the beginning of this month when about 5,000 red-winged blackbirds fell from the sky in one night in Arkansas, biologists were called on to put a damper on public speculation about pesticides and secret military tests by reminding everyone how many birds there are and how many die. They often do so as a result of human activity, but in far more mundane and dispiriting ways than conspiracy buffs might imagine. “Five billion birds die in the U.S. every year,” said Melanie Driscoll, a biologist and director of bird conservation for the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi Flyway for the National Audubon Society. That means that on average, 13.7 million birds die in this country every day. This number, while large, needs to be put into context. The federal Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that a minimum of 10 billion birds breed in the United States every year and that as many as 20 billion may be in the country during the fall migratory season.

Even without humans, tens of millions of birds would be lost each year to natural predators and natural accidents — millions of fledglings die during their first attempts at flight. But according to the Fish and Wildlife Service, people have severely complicated the task of survival. Although mortality rates are difficult to calculate for certain, using modeling and other methods like extrapolation from local research findings, the government has come up with estimates of how many birds die from various causes in the United States. Some of the biggest death traps are surprising. Almost everyone has an experience with a pet proudly bringing home a songbird in its jaws. Nationally, domestic and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds each year, according to the government. One study done in Wisconsin found that domestic rural cats alone (thus excluding a large number of suburban and urban cats) killed roughly 39 million birds a year. Pesticides kill 72 million birds directly, but an unknown and probably larger number ingest the poisons and die later unseen. Orphaned chicks also go uncounted. And then there is flying into objects, which is most likely what killed the birds in Arkansas. The government estimates that strikes against building windows alone account for anywhere from 97 million to nearly 976 million bird deaths a year. Cars kill another 60 million or so. High-tension transmission and power distribution lines are also deadly obstacles. Extrapolating from European studies, the Fish and Wildlife Service estimates 174 million birds die each year by flying into these wires. None of these numbers take into account the largest killer of birds in America: loss of habitat to development.


***

So what is the difference between one propaganda or the other propaganda.

I'm at a point where I have a tough time believing any of the propaganda.

How do you determine truth from the BS? It seems personal bias would play the biggest role.

Also these windmills are very ugly and take up thousands of square miles.

 

[R.C. Christian]

It's a stupid bird. Bird should learn how to duck.

 

[Papageorgio]

Yeah, it is truly mindblowing watching these assholes give a damn about wild life. If they had their way this nation would look like China.

Fuck em.

Standing up for the companies making money off windmill power is more upstanding than sticking up for wildlife?

 

[Warrior102]

Oil spills kill more animals in a single spill then wind has killed over the past 20.

Really? Got a credible stat, asswipe?

Didn't think so...

 

[JWBooth]

Gotta love the bird shredders

 

[ScienceRocks]

How many hundreds of millions of animals do we kill every year?
How many millions die in your fithy oil spills? Birds, fish, insects, mammals. You always defend that as you understand there's a price to pay for civilization.
How many thousands of people die from diseases like cancer from pollution from coal and oil?
How many mountain tops are clear cut and animals left to die?


All seen as acceptable to the right as it is used to heat our homes and for unlimited freedom towards drive our cars around town without thought. I also realize this as the price of civilization...

So we're going to start going down the path of killing energy sources over a small number of birds??? I won't be dumb enough to do the same against oil, natural gas or coal as I realize we're still some time away from fully transitioning away from those sources of energy...Knowing damn well and accepting the price. The choice is less of a price, not that there will ever be none.

 

[Papageorgio]

How many hundreds of millions of animals do we kill every year?
How many millions die in your fithy oil spills? Birds, fish, insects, mammals. You always defend that as you understand there's a price to pay for civilization.
How many thousands of people die from diseases like cancer from pollution from coal and oil?
How many mountain tops are clear cut and animals left to die?


All seen as acceptable to the right as it is used to heat our homes and for unlimited freedom towards drive our cars around town without thought. I also realize this as the price of civilization...

So we're going to start going down the path of killing energy sources over a small number of birds??? I won't be dumb enough to do the same against oil, natural gas or coal as I realize we're still some time away from fully transitioning away from those sources of energy...Knowing damn well and accepting the price. The choice is less of a price, not that there will ever be none.

So we do it because the energy corporations want to do it this way, so we roll over and accept it?

Because one gets away with it, the other guy also gets a pass?

Your stand is that of the oil companies.

You just prefer wind.

 

[ScienceRocks]

How many hundreds of millions of animals do we kill every year?
How many millions die in your fithy oil spills? Birds, fish, insects, mammals. You always defend that as you understand there's a price to pay for civilization.
How many thousands of people die from diseases like cancer from pollution from coal and oil?
How many mountain tops are clear cut and animals left to die?


All seen as acceptable to the right as it is used to heat our homes and for unlimited freedom towards drive our cars around town without thought. I also realize this as the price of civilization...

So we're going to start going down the path of killing energy sources over a small number of birds??? I won't be dumb enough to do the same against oil, natural gas or coal as I realize we're still some time away from fully transitioning away from those sources of energy...Knowing damn well and accepting the price. The choice is less of a price, not that there will ever be none.

So we do it because the energy corporations want to do it this way, so we roll over and accept it?

Because one gets away with it, the other guy also gets a pass?

Your stand is that of the oil companies.

You just prefer wind.

So are you going to turn totally against the oil, natural gas and coal companies for killing animals? These sources also cause diseases that lead to thousands of people dying every year but you don't seem to give a damn.

The choice is do we want a cleaner source or not? Why is it so bad?