Will we ever have single payer health care in this country?

[H B Lowrie]

And yet it is all we do, but for some reason, it is off limits for a healthier more globally competitive nation. Seems odd.

No, it's not all we do. We do it too much, granted, and we need to put the brakes on. But you want to double down on corrupt and stupid. Why?

"We need to put the brakes on" is a feckless attempt to minimize the societal damage we all just sit and watch as we endlessly blame someone else. Oh well, howl at each other and vote for an aristocrat to make it all better. We're trying to get into 2 more bogus wars now, that'll get us up to 10 as our militarist empire tries to quell the coming unrest at home with walls, militarized police and the mass surveillance state.

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

It will happen if Trump wins a second term. He has always favored single payer.

And when it is his idea all of his sheep will say it is the best idea ever


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I dont think they will. If there is one thing you can say about the Republican party, it's that they have no qualms about criticizing their own. If you watch most of the major right wing talk shows and most of the right wing radio shows, this is evident.

I've seen and heard several of them going at trump for things they thought he messed up on. If trump supports single payer, you can bet he will lose his base, and right wing media will excoriate him over it.

 

[dblack]

No, it's not all we do. We do it too much, granted, and we need to put the brakes on. But you want to double down on corrupt and stupid. Why?

"We need to put the brakes on" is a feckless attempt to minimize the societal damage we all just sit and watch as we endlessly blame someone else. Oh well, howl at each other and vote for an aristocrat to make it all better. We're trying to get into 2 more bogus wars now, that'll get us up to 10 as our militarist empire tries to quell the coming unrest at home with walls, militarized police and the mass surveillance state.

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

As for the paragraph I highlighted, the claim of longer life expectancy is misleading, as is the infant mortality rates. And, we don't have anything close to 63% of bankruptcies due, I said due, to medical bills.

Actually, the number is pretty accurate. I nearly went bankrupt in the mid-oughts because of minor medical bills, and I had insurance. You just don't realize how fast medical bills can wipe out your finances. It's taken me nearly 10 years to get back to where I was.

This shouldn't happen. Health care should be a public service, not a commodity.

That public service has to be paid for.
And when you have a growing percentage of the population that are either more interested in sponging off society or VERY disinterested in contributing to it.... you can't support it.
An example was the ill thought law that forced policies to include adult children nearly 30 years old.

 

[Ambivalent1]

No, it's not all we do. We do it too much, granted, and we need to put the brakes on. But you want to double down on corrupt and stupid. Why?

"We need to put the brakes on" is a feckless attempt to minimize the societal damage we all just sit and watch as we endlessly blame someone else. Oh well, howl at each other and vote for an aristocrat to make it all better. We're trying to get into 2 more bogus wars now, that'll get us up to 10 as our militarist empire tries to quell the coming unrest at home with walls, militarized police and the mass surveillance state.

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

LOL, I know full well that you don't. It's cool kid.

 

[H B Lowrie]

"We need to put the brakes on" is a feckless attempt to minimize the societal damage we all just sit and watch as we endlessly blame someone else. Oh well, howl at each other and vote for an aristocrat to make it all better. We're trying to get into 2 more bogus wars now, that'll get us up to 10 as our militarist empire tries to quell the coming unrest at home with walls, militarized police and the mass surveillance state.

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

See:

"LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014."

 

[Ambivalent1]

"We need to put the brakes on" is a feckless attempt to minimize the societal damage we all just sit and watch as we endlessly blame someone else. Oh well, howl at each other and vote for an aristocrat to make it all better. We're trying to get into 2 more bogus wars now, that'll get us up to 10 as our militarist empire tries to quell the coming unrest at home with walls, militarized police and the mass surveillance state.

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

They make a shitload on investments. There is no real money to make in HC anymore. Especially downstream now. The agents are getting hosed.

 

[H B Lowrie]

"We need to put the brakes on" is a feckless attempt to minimize the societal damage we all just sit and watch as we endlessly blame someone else. Oh well, howl at each other and vote for an aristocrat to make it all better. We're trying to get into 2 more bogus wars now, that'll get us up to 10 as our militarist empire tries to quell the coming unrest at home with walls, militarized police and the mass surveillance state.

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

LOL, I know full well that you don't. It's cool kid.

We all know where the best healthcare systems are kid, not here.

 

[H B Lowrie]

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

They make a shitload on investments. There is no real money to make in HC anymore. Especially downstream now. The agents are getting hosed.

Oh everyone's getting hosed except for the proper folk.

 

[dblack]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

It will happen if Trump wins a second term. He has always favored single payer.

And when it is his idea all of his sheep will say it is the best idea ever


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I dont think they will. If there is one thing you can say about the Republican party, it's that they have no qualms about criticizing their own. If you watch most of the major right wing talk shows and most of the right wing radio shows, this is evident.

I've seen and heard several of them going at trump for things they thought he messed up on. If trump supports single payer, you can bet he will lose his base, and right wing media will excoriate him over it.

I'd like to think that's true. But I've seen so many "conservatives" betraying their traditional values to accommodate his cons. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them fall in line again.

 

[Ambivalent1]

LOL, I am a Consultant in the Biz son. I was captive with BCBS for a few years. I know the game very well.

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

See:

"LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014."

You poor kid.

"They make a shitload on investments. There is no real money to make in HC anymore. Especially downstream now. The agents are getting hosed."

 

[Ambivalent1]

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

They make a shitload on investments. There is no real money to make in HC anymore. Especially downstream now. The agents are getting hosed.

Oh everyone's getting hosed except for the proper folk.

You really are uninformed son. I told you, you can't see beyond what you've been told.

 

[H B Lowrie]

As for the paragraph I highlighted, the claim of longer life expectancy is misleading, as is the infant mortality rates. And, we don't have anything close to 63% of bankruptcies due, I said due, to medical bills.

Actually, the number is pretty accurate. I nearly went bankrupt in the mid-oughts because of minor medical bills, and I had insurance. You just don't realize how fast medical bills can wipe out your finances. It's taken me nearly 10 years to get back to where I was.

This shouldn't happen. Health care should be a public service, not a commodity.

That public service has to be paid for.
And when you have a growing percentage of the population that are either more interested in sponging off society or VERY disinterested in contributing to it.... you can't support it.
An example was the ill thought law that forced policies to include adult children nearly 30 years old.

Your empirical war machine makes single payer "unaffordable". That's all. That and the fact that america's Calvinist puritanical belief systems require suffering and someone must always be punished. Someone must be held accountable for our male dominator god original sin mindfuck. Who but the poor can so easily be offered up in sacrifice?

 

[dblack]

Then you should act more like it don't you think?

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

They make a shitload on investments. There is no real money to make in HC anymore. Especially downstream now. The agents are getting hosed.

Oh everyone's getting hosed except for the proper folk.

I've always noticed this ugly undercurrent to socialism - namely the conviction that someone should get hosed, it's just a matter of picking a victim.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Lowrie, is US the fattest nation. Yes or No?

Great topic for another thread.

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blaming the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Shaming? LOL IDC if you’re fat but it comes with consequences. You want to live longer than be proactive and not reactive. You’re a sensitive loser.

 

[H B Lowrie]

LOL, your judgements are meaningless kid. Tell me, how do the Non Profits make money?
Oh by the way, one BCBS lost 55 mill in 2014.

I'm not sure you comprehend what a nonprofit is son.

Or maybe you don't. Non-profits still make money. They just don't distribute it to shareholders. Not much different about them beyond that.

They make a shitload on investments. There is no real money to make in HC anymore. Especially downstream now. The agents are getting hosed.

Oh everyone's getting hosed except for the proper folk.

You really are uninformed son. I told you, you can't see beyond what you've been told.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, but you do.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Great topic for another thread.

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blame the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Best post you've ever made.

It sucked. You’re wrong Lesh

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blame the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Best post you've ever made.

Well thanks, but I'm sure I've chaffed some even further.

You’re an uneducated fool who consistently embarrasses himself here

 

[H B Lowrie]

Great topic for another thread.

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blaming the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Shaming? LOL IDC if you’re fat but it comes with consequences. You want to live longer than be proactive and not reactive. You’re a sensitive loser.

Being american comes with consequences. And now you're attempting to change your point, which was, fat people are to blame for our shitty healthcare system. I simply don't buy it, that's all. No need to be so offended.

 

[H B Lowrie]

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blame the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Best post you've ever made.

Well thanks, but I'm sure I've chaffed some even further.

You’re an uneducated fool who consistently embarrasses himself here

Here comes a chafed poster now.