Will russia win the ukraine war thanks to china?

[Mac-7]

That is what those in East Asia are doing I agree. While we are offering them support, many are not wanting direct help from us as it often comes with too many strings attached.



Then perhaps we should quit wasting trillions on stupid ass ******* wars that gain our country nothing....

They are ready to resist chicom military aggression but need the US Navy beside them

And maybe NATO also

Otherwise china rules

 

[Mac-7]

China might have invented gunpowder a thousand years ago but it doesn't mean that it has a monopoly on the stuff. The issue is B.S.

We gave them the monopoly as western countries chose to buy from china

 

[JoeB131]

Thats what America is doing in east asia

Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, in particular recognize the chicom threat and are allying with the US against china

But the US is the key partner

Without our military china rules

Yet every last one of those countries does more trade with China than they do with the US.

 

[Mac-7]

They are squabbling over some tiny Islands that barely stick out of the Ocean.

Why do you suppose they are doing that?

Hum?

 

[Mac-7]

Yet every last one of those countries does more trade with China than they do with the US.

Is cheap stuff from china all that matters to you?

 

[JoeB131]

Why do you suppose they are doing that?

Hum?

As I've explained to you many times, for China it's about territorial sovereignty, a big issue given how ofter the rest of the world has infringed on her sovereignty.

Is cheap stuff from china all that matters to you?

No, what matters to me is not getting into WWIII over something as trivial as some islands.

Especially when it comes to Vietnam or the Philippines, two countries that really aren't our friends.

 

[Burgermeister]

Ukraine never had a chance. We are only helping them to keep feeding lives into that meatgrinder to keep the forever-war interests happy. As a bonus, we're marching towards a nuclear war.

 

[Mac-7]

As I've explained to you many times, for China it's about territorial sovereignty, a big issue given how ofter the rest of the world has infringed on her sovereignty.



No, what matters to me is not getting into WWIII over something as trivial as some islands.

Especially when it comes to Vietnam or the Philippines, two countries that really aren't our friends.

You want whatever china wants

The islands ate important strategically and economically because they allow the chicoms to claim all the waters, the fish, the oil, and all the other minerals around them

China doesn't care that they belong to Vietnam or the Philippines

The chinese navy is stronger and takes what it wants

Especially when it comes to Vietnam or the Philippines, two countries that really aren't our friends.

Were the Soviets our “friends” during WWII?

Of course not

 

[JoeB131]

ou want whatever china wants

The islands ate important strategically and economically because they allow the chicoms to claim all the waters, the fish, the oil, and all the other minerals around them

China doesn't care that they belong to Vietnam or the Philippines

The chinese navy is stronger and takes what it wants

They're important to the people who live there. But I can't see a good reason why they are worth ONE AMERICAN life. Enough Americans have died in Southeast Asia for a lot of people who just don't really appreciate us.

Especially when it comes to Vietnam or the Philippines, two countries that really aren't our friends.

Were the Soviets our “friends” during WWII?

Of course not

No, but the Soviets did most of the real fighting in WWII. The Filipinos and Vietnamese expect us to do the fighting for them.

There's a wall in Washington with the names of 56,000 dead Americans who died because the Vietnamese rejected us. My view is, "you guys love Communism so much, go be China's *****. I don't care."

I am a little more sympathetic towards the Filipinios. But at the end of the day, they chased us out of Subic Bay and Clark Air Force base, but NOW they want us to protect them? You know, after we liberated them from both the Spanish and The Japanese. Maybe if they became a US State when they had the chance, I'd care more. (Then again, if the Philippines became a US State, it would be larger than California!)

 

[Mac-7]

They're important to the people who live there. But I can't see a good reason why they are worth ONE AMERICAN life. Enough Americans have died in Southeast Asia for a lot of people who just don't really appreciate us.




No, but the Soviets did most of the real fighting in WWII. The Filipinos and Vietnamese expect us to do the fighting for them.

There's a wall in Washington with the names of 56,000 dead Americans who died because the Vietnamese rejected us. My view is, "you guys love Communism so much, go be China's *****. I don't care."

I am a little more sympathetic towards the Filipinios. But at the end of the day, they chased us out of Subic Bay and Clark Air Force base, but NOW they want us to protect them? You know, after we liberated them from both the Spanish and The Japanese. Maybe if they became a US State when they had the chance, I'd care more. (Then again, if the Philippines became a US State, it would be larger than California!)

It is in America’s best interest that communist china not rule all of east asia

Just as it was necessary that hitler not rule europe during WWII

It was difficult to persuade America First advocates then, just as it is nearly impossible to make you understand now

 

[JoeB131]

It is in America’s best interest that communist china not rule all of east asia

Why? No skin off my ass.

America has plenty of problems of her own, we don't need to go looking for more.

Just as it was necessary that hitler not rule europe during WWII

China isn't Nazi Germany.

It was difficult to persuade America First advocates then, just as it is nearly impossible to make you understand now

Well, that and it's a different world today. Today we have nukes.

America has Nukes. China has Nukes. Russia has Nukes. India has Nukes. Pakistan has Nukes.

Taiwan probably has Nukes and haven't told anyone.

The Spratleys aren't the Danzig Corridor and they aren't the Sudentenland.

 

[Dragonlady]

NATO is beholden to communist china for gunpowder

Thats not good news for our side

If could doom ukraine and taiwan to defeat

NO THEY ARE NOT. The gullibility and stupidity of Trump voters just cannot be quantified.

 

[Mac-7]

China isn't Nazi Germany.

Both comminist china and nazi germany had the same goal - rule the world

 

[Mac-7]

Taiwan probably has Nukes and haven't told anyone.

Is that your solution?

Nuclear war in the South China Sea is bad for everyone

I’m confident that Taiwan does not have nuclear weapons

But even if they did it wouldn't stop china

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Both comminist china and nazi germany had the same goal - rule the world

If China wants to rule the world it only wants to do so economically, and even that is not at all accurate

 

[JoeB131]

Both comminist china and nazi germany had the same goal - rule the world

Germany had no intention of ruling the world. They were perfectly happy with a world where they dominated Europe, the British dominated the Middle East and Africa, Japan dominated Asia and the US dominated the western hemisphere.

For China... for a world conquering power, they are a very poor showing. They haven't even bothered to reconquer Outer Mongolia yet. (Mostly because even Mongolians don't want to live in Mongolia, they are all fleeing to Inner Mongolia, which is part of China.

While Nazi Germany despised ethnic minorities, China is very proud of the fact that she contains 56 nations.

 

[Mac-7]

Germany had no intention of ruling the world. They were perfectly happy with a world where they dominated Europe, the British dominated the Middle East and Africa, Japan dominated Asia and the US dominated the western hemisphere.

For China... for a world conquering power, they are a very poor showing. They haven't even bothered to reconquer Outer Mongolia yet. (Mostly because even Mongolians don't want to live in Mongolia, they are all fleeing to Inner Mongolia, which is part of China.

While Nazi Germany despised ethnic minorities, China is very proud of the fact that she contains 56 nations.

I dont think the chicoms are as crude as the nazi’s were

If they have economic hegemony they will soon have military superiority

Superiority they will not even have to use very often

Just the threat of PLA punishment will usually be enough to get the chicoms what they want

 

[JoeB131]

I dont think the chicoms are as crude as the nazi’s were

If they have economic hegemony they will soon have military superiority

Superiority they will not even have to use very often

Just the threat of PLA punishment will usually be enough to get the chicoms what they want

Economic or military hegenomy doesn't mean much in a world with nukes...

Let's say, for instance, that China takes over Taiwan. They put their people in charge of the Taiwanese companies that won't play ball, which would suck for them, but at the end of the day, it won't really make that much of a difference. Maybe we'll have to get off our asses and invest in making circuit boards, but we should be doing that anyway.

Marcos govt abandons Sabina (Escoda) Shoal to the Chinese

PRESIDENT Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has several times promised he 'will not lose an inch of 'territory'' to China in the disputed areas of the South China Sea. In just two months, though, the Philippines lost the 2 trillion square inches that make up Ayungin (Second Thomas) Shoal on July 2 and Escoda...

www.manilatimes.net

 

[Mac-7]

Economic or military hegenomy doesn't mean much in a world with nukes...

Let's say, for instance, that China takes over Taiwan. They put their people in charge of the Taiwanese companies that won't play ball, which would suck for them, but at the end of the day, it won't really make that much of a difference. Maybe we'll have to get off our asses and invest in making circuit boards, but we should be doing that anyway.

Marcos govt abandons Sabina (Escoda) Shoal to the Chinese

PRESIDENT Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has several times promised he 'will not lose an inch of 'territory'' to China in the disputed areas of the South China Sea. In just two months, though, the Philippines lost the 2 trillion square inches that make up Ayungin (Second Thomas) Shoal on July 2 and Escoda...

www.manilatimes.net

Thats a good example of how the chicoms abuse smaller countries

 

[JoeB131]

Thats a good example of how the chicoms abuse smaller countries

No, that's the stupidity of a smaller country picking a fight they can't win.

Then again, what kind of idiots elect the son of their last dictator, as the Filipinos did?