Zone1 Will Rabbinic Judaism cease if Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus is known to have been Essene Jewish?

Was Rabbi Akiva correct that Rabbinic Judaism would be destroyed if Rabbi Yeshua was seen as Essene?

  • No

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  • Yes

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  • I certainly do hope not because Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus being an Essene should be good news.

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  • In a way I do hope so because this will cause Jews to mourn for Moshiach ben Yosef?

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  • No, but modern Christianity will be divided over this fascinating information from the past.

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  • Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

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My belief is that Rabbi Akiva felt that he had to demonize the followers of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus so that Simon Bar Kochba would obey his advice to kick the Messianic Jewish community out of the Roman Province of Judaea, [ as soon as Simon Bar Kochba had kicked out the Roman Legions]?

I believe that to whatever degree Rabbi Akiva may well have been sincere I believe that in retrospect it becomes pretty obvious that his judgment on how to handle his circumstances did not work out well.

We now in 2025 are in possession of a fascinating near death experience that does an amazing job of connecting Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and John the Baptist, as well as their four parents, with the Essene Jewish Community. This near death experience account does not stop there but even addresses the NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF ANTI-SEMITISM over these past seventeen centuries by Christians and Muslims as well.

If a Jewish scholar will research this particular near death experience, [that I personally consider to be evidence that perhaps Ezekiel chapter thirty seven is not confined to being a one time event but instead our Creator, the G-d of Abraham can do as many Ezekiel chapter thirty seven events as YHWH wants to do, in order to keep a Promise to The Spirit of Moshiach Stored in Gan Eden.

It is on pages 137 to 170 of this book where the number one cause of anti-Semitism over these past seventeen centuries is brilliantly addressed.
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"The Father said to me one evening in my time of meditation, “You wonder that people other than the Jews have the secrets of the Kingdom as well as you. As you have been instructed before, the secrets of the Kingdom have been given to many people, but to no one in their complete form, so that each, seeking in their own way, may gradually come closer to me, but no one group can say, ‘I have the secret and you are excluded.’ Indeed, any who say that, have already put themselves outside of the Kingdom, because the Kingdom comes by Love, and Love is a working together. Love is not exclusively for one group.”

“In the end of the Age, peoples from all parts of the earth will bring their knowledge together and will find the Inner Way to me by working together. So, read and know what has been given to others, that your knowledge may be complete and you may be able to come to Me, all working together in Love.” (Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.)

Near death experiencer Dr. Bruce MacDonald did an excellent job of quoting Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching his inner core of disciples in a manner that clearly reflected his having been mentored and taught as a child by parents and cousins who were part of the Essene Jewish Community who left us the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you will take the time to read Dr. MacDonald's book though you will see that he addressed the number one cause of anti-Semitism by Christians over these past seventeen centuries.


[Bruce F. MacDonald] "You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.


"So, do not fear what people can do to your body, because you will have many more of those. Rather, avoid those who can kill the soul within you, those who would destroy love and the light of your soul. I tell you, you will have much more to learn then, and at the end of the Age, those who have not learned love will enter the Long Sleep, while those who have learned love, will inherit the New Earth which the Father prepares for them."

"In each life, you are affected by what happened in other lives, but you in turn can affect those lives. The Father has not put you in a prison, that you can change nothing. Rather, you can do anything when your inner eyes are opened and you see the Kingdom within."

"Now, even you who follow me see dimly as through a fog. So do not, in that condition, set up laws for others to follow. Rather, teach others to grow in spirit so that their eyes may be opened to the peace and love of the Father."

The Father wishes good for you, not evil. If then, you bring your fears and errors before the Father in meditation, He will help you to understand and be free. The Father does not condemn: you condemn yourself."

"If you judge, you will be judged. If you condemn, you are already condemned. If you do not love, how will you know love? If you are cruel, cruelty will come to you. What you are within yourself ----- that you will draw to yourself." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.
page 117,118 )


"The Thomas Book, Near Death and a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus"


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I have a question. Why is the Bible such a treasure hunt? Something that is true would be rather straight forward. Instead we have millions of speculations and interpretations.

During his forty five minute near death experience in 1992 Dr. Kevin L. Zadai was shown that it is necessary to dig deep in order to catch onto the really deep truths.

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told Kevin Zadai that he had been gathering truths from the surface of the Bible but the deep truths were hidden under the surface.

The Why for this is really above my Security Clearance Level with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus but I do believe that at this time the massive dump of truths predicted by Daniel is happening.

I believe that what near death experiencers are being shown is at a level of clarity and simplicity that has never been seen before in all of history. Leaders who want people to depend on them personally though will tend to want to fight against the truths of NDE accounts because they would tend to help people to be directly in contact with our Creator and be very directly guided by the Holy Spirit.


www.KevinZadai.org/

This is a good place to begin to start to get to the real meat under the surface of scripture.

 
I have a question. Why is the Bible such a treasure hunt? Something that is true would be rather straight forward. Instead we have millions of speculations and interpretations.


I just thought of an answer to this:

32;For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all." [Romans 11:32 RSV

or perhaps better:

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all. [Romans 11:32 KJV]

If it were easy for us to understand what is below the surface of the Bible then our Creator would have to hold us more so responsible for the mess that even God's own people are in at this time.


 
I just thought of an answer to this:

32;For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all." [Romans 11:32 RSV

or perhaps better:

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all. [Romans 11:32 KJV]

If it were easy for us to understand what is below the surface of the Bible then our Creator would have to hold us more so responsible for the mess that even God's own people are in at this time.


It's a venue for charlatans, influencers and grifters to take control of people.
Rome used Christianity to help build an empire. The Muslims did the same. Religion is useful for the wicked of the world. The local pastor drives a cadillac while his parishioners struggle to put food on the table.
 
It's a venue for charlatans, influencers and grifters to take control of people.
Rome used Christianity to help build an empire. The Muslims did the same. Religion is useful for the wicked of the world. The local pastor drives a cadillac while his parishioners struggle to put food on the table.

But thankfully there are also some powerful stories of transformation of lives through faith and hope.


 
“Leave my people alone”

- Moses
Actually, didn't Moses say "Let My People Go!"

Does not that statement apply in the year 2025 to a world economy where Compound Interest Over Time is used to turn well over ninety percent of us into something like Economic Gerbils running on an endless treadmill?

Does the USA need a modern "Moses" to lead USA Jews somewhat further "north" before they make full fledged Aliyay to Israel?


 
Does the USA need a modern "Moses" to lead USA Jews somewhat further "north" before they make full fledged Aliyay to Israel?

You guys have been trying to tell The Jews where to live for the last 2,000 years.

You’ve lost the right to have an opinion on that subject.

We will live where we want.
 
You guys have been trying to tell The Jews where to live for the last 2,000 years.

You’ve lost the right to have an opinion on that subject.

We will live where we want.


Near death experiencer and Orthodox Rabbi Alon Anava reports that during the 1930's the Jews of Germany got many warnings that the time was there to get out of Germany. Pastor David Herzog's dream from 2012 is in a similar flavour.

Rabbi Alon Anava is one of the most powerful voices warning Jews in the USA that the time is coming soon when they will be vastly safer if they are living in Israel.


www.AlonAnava.com/
 



 





Yes, unfortunately, even Jews have our own whackjobs.
 
Yes, unfortunately, even Jews have our own whackjobs.


Rabbi Alon Anava is Orthodox Jewish and does not himself recognize Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua as having been "Messiah the Passover Lamb' or "Moshiach ben Yosef" or any variation on the Jewish Moshiach.
 
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Despite the fact that ONLY whacky xtians listen to him.

No, even Muslims are listening to Rabbi Alon Anava along with huge numbers of Gentiles and Noahides or future Noahides.
 
i dont know enough

I did something really dangerous back in 1990....
I raised my right hand up in the air and I quoted Isaiah chapter forty five as best as I could......

and I challenged Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus, [Isa the Prophet to Muslims, Shalom be upon Him]...... to take me by the right hand and guide me through life so that I did not deceive people..... in the way that I had been deceived........

as you can guess.....
my life got amazingly interesting very quickly........

When we can admit that "I don't know enough" then we have gotten to a really good place in terms of what is about to happen in our lives.........

I was told by a Christian Prophetess that I had a "Mantle of Cyrus" ... [whatever that is]..... I suspect that you have it too Zebra!

Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2. I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3;And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4;For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5;I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Oh... I should mention that a "Mantle of Cyrus" on a woman can result in her being rather like a modern Queen Hadassah - Esther.





Kim Clement Esther Prophecy | Prophetic Rewind


....

Zebra..... YOU are a peace maker!

and.... you are just getting started here on these forums!

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

 
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You guys have been trying to tell The Jews where to live for the last 2,000 years.

You’ve lost the right to have an opinion on that subject.

We will live where we want.

Let's see how true that is in three years , say .

The only End of Times we are going to see is the end of all Abrahamic "religions" .
That's where my money is --
Said a detached and not affected spectator .
 
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