lol, you need proof that beings that know and create were not a result of a special creative act of God?
I need proof for every single claim you make about god or the universe. Now you know.
You only have two choices. Either you believe that beings that know and create arose through natural processes or you believe they arose through a special creative act of God. Which is it? I've got you trapped either way.
Well, no, those are not the only 2 options nor are they mutually exclusive. One can easily believe that both are true. Conversely, and the stance that science actually takes, is that we simply do not know. That does not require any 'belief' at all - merely acceptance of current limitations.
I don't think I said they were mutually exclusive. In fact, I have argued they are not. What's the third option?
"Conversely, and the stance that science actually takes,
is that we simply do not know."
That was the third option. Not believing in either supposition and, instead, not knowing.
Do you don't believe that beings that know and create arose through natural processes?
“In my life as scientist I have come upon two major problems which, though rooted in science, though they would occur in this form only to a scientist, project beyond science, and are I think ultimately insoluble as science. That is hardly to be wondered at, since one involves consciousness and the other, cosmology.
The consciousness problem was hardly avoidable by one who has spent most of his life studying mechanisms of vision. We have learned a lot, we hope to learn much more; but none of it touches or even points, however tentatively, in the direction of what it means to see. Our observations in human eyes and nervous systems and in those of frogs are basically much alike. I know that I see; but does a frog see? It reacts to light; so do cameras, garage doors, any number of photoelectric devices. But does it see? Is it aware that it is reacting? There is nothing I can do as a scientist to answer that question, no way that I can identify either the presence or absence of consciousness. I believe consciousness to be a permanent condition that involves all sensation and perception. Consciousness seems to me to be wholly impervious to science.
The second problem involves the special properties of our universe.
Life seems increasingly to be part of the order of nature. We have good reason to believe that we find ourselves in a universe permeated with life, in which life arises inevitably, given enough time, wherever the conditions exist that make it possible...."
George Wald, 1984, “Life and Mind in the Universe”, International Journal of Quantum Chemistry: Quantum Biology Symposium 11, 1984: 1-15.
