Will Hispanic Voters Turn Red States Blue?

[theDoctorisIn]

Why do liberals feel the need to separate everyone into racial and cultural boxes? Hispanics and Latinos are AMERICANS first. They should vote for whatever is good for the country- and that means a secure border. Personally, I don't care if Republicans lose every election - doing the right thing is not always easy.

Everyone separates people into "boxes". Why would you assume that all liberals think the same way, unless you yourself were putting us into a "box"?

 

[Inthemiddle]

there is no logic in comparing murder to immigration.

What part of SUBJECT MATTER IS NOT IMPORTANT did you not understand?

Don't talk about what is logical. You, obviously, do not have any actual knowledge of how the science of logic works.

and the subject does matter. whats next are you gonna compare Rape to jaywalking?

If S then P
Not S
Therefore, not P

This argument, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT MATTER, will be invalid. It does not matter if we are talking about immigration, murder, jay walking, rape, Martians, anal sex, domestic pets, whatever. The argument is INVALID because of its form. This is day one in Logic 101. Yet you don't seem to understand this. So don't bother babbling to me about what is logical or what is not. You haven't the first clue. Go read a textbook and get back to me in a couple months.

 

[Katzndogz]

Democrats just aren't very smart. They see a number but don't understand what that number really means.

Not all hispanics want illegal immigration. Many of them are more anti illegal than anti illegal whites. Democrats look at a number like an area is 60% hispanic and imagine that they will get the entire demographic. They don't.

 

[Syphon]

Democrats just aren't very smart. They see a number but don't understand what that number really means.

Not all hispanics want illegal immigration. Many of them are more anti illegal than anti illegal whites. Democrats look at a number like an area is 60% hispanic and imagine that they will get the entire demographic. They don't.

Obama took 67% of the hispanic vote in 2008 according the Pew. he will probably get about the same since the GOP does not really cater to middle income and poor hispanics in general.

 

[Katzndogz]

Democrats just aren't very smart. They see a number but don't understand what that number really means.

Not all hispanics want illegal immigration. Many of them are more anti illegal than anti illegal whites. Democrats look at a number like an area is 60% hispanic and imagine that they will get the entire demographic. They don't.

Obama took 67% of the hispanic vote in 2008 according the Pew. he will probably get about the same since the GOP does not really cater to middle income and poor hispanics in general.

George Bernard Shaw once said that someone who will rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul's vote.

Now that we see how much Paul's vote costs, you might not see that kind of voting patters next time.

 

[Syphon]

there is no logic in comparing murder to immigration.

What part of SUBJECT MATTER IS NOT IMPORTANT did you not understand?

Don't talk about what is logical. You, obviously, do not have any actual knowledge of how the science of logic works.

and the subject does matter. whats next are you gonna compare Rape to jaywalking?

If S then P
Not S
Therefore, not P

This argument, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT MATTER, will be invalid. It does not matter if we are talking about immigration, murder, jay walking, rape, Martians, anal sex, domestic pets, whatever. The argument is INVALID because of its form. This is day one in Logic 101. Yet you don't seem to understand this. So don't bother babbling to me about what is logical or what is not. You haven't the first clue. Go read a textbook and get back to me in a couple months.

your trying to use the logic argument to say murder and illegal immigration are the same, yet in the same argument you try to use logic to say subject matter isnt important?

if subject matter isnt important, there would be one standard punishment for breaking the law. since there is not, SUBJECT MATTER IS IMPORTANT.

you fail to recognize how stupid your argument is.

 

[MolochSolomon]

" this war is nondescript, heaven knew we had land enough " - a large portion of american congress

" we charge the president with usurping the war making power " -abraham lincoln.

You white people deserve all of what's about to happen in the next 60 years.

Viva le revolution.

 

[MolochSolomon]

Mexican-american war = land lust and theft. We take whats ours back.

 

[Mr.Nick]

There's been a lot acknowledgment that swing voters (Independents and groups other than traditional political supporters) will determine the outcome of this (and future) presidential election(s).

To that end, it's usual for political parties to engage in outreach to swing voters by addressing issues that these groups find as a higher priority than the general electorate. After all, neither political party wants to be seen as tone deaf to a significantly large part of the electorate if that group could turn the election either for or against their candidate.

But lately, many people have noted that the GOP seems to be alienating significant segments of the electorate (women and Hispanics, for example) in its shift to the right. It's even more pronounced this year since the GOP nomination process is dragging on and the GOP hopefuls are engaged in an extended appeal to the GOP conservative base.

Well, it's one thing to bash unions when union membership numbers are down and still declining. But is it wise to alienate Hispanics which is the fastest growing segment of the population?

So, here's the question: Will traditionally conservative red states see a shift to Democrats and become either blue or purple states in national elections because Democrats are doing a much better job of outreach to Hispanics?

"A lot of it was SB 1070 [anti-illegal immigration act] and what [Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio] was doing in our communities that really triggered it," Guevara tells Raz. "Also, tuition increases and a lot of our Dream Act students basically got kicked out of school because of a proposition that increased tuition significantly."


Critics say Arizona's new immigration law encourages profiling. Republican Sheriff Arpaio's office was cited by the Justice Department for "pervasive culture of discriminatory bias against Latinos." And the Dream Act, which proposes paths to citizenship for some undocumented children of immigrants, is largely opposed by Republican lawmakers.


The issues Guevara mentions – among others — mobilized so many people in western Phoenix that it eventually inspired a recent Time Magazine cover story.


"In the end, we witnessed the greatest grassroots effort in the history of Phoenix politics," Valenzuela says.


The success prompted the Obama campaign to send an operative to Phoenix to learn more about Valenzeula's game plan and how to apply it nationwide; Valenzuela says he believes Arizona is in play this election.
"The Latino voter turnout increased by nearly 500 percent in one particular district," he says, "but over the city of Phoenix, which is the sixth-largest city in the country mind you, it actually increased by over 300 percent across the board."


Latinos like the ones who voted in Phoenix — people who had never voted before — could turn out across the country in such numbers this year that they might hold the power to swing the presidential election.
The way things are looking now, that's bad news for Republicans.
"When I hear some of the policies and the rhetoric that's coming out of the GOP debates, I hear very little other than anti-immigration reform," Valenzuela says. "And those things bother me, personally, and I know that I'm not alone."

Who Will Win Over America's Latino Voters? : NPR

Latino Voters Favor Obama Over Any Republican Candidate Six To One

A poll released this week by FOX News Latino indicates that Latino voters favor President Obama over any other Republican candidate with a six-to-one margin.

Considering the results of the Latino Decisions/ImpreMedia survey last December -- in which, 27 percent of those surveyed said that the GOP was “Being hostile” towards Hispanics, while only 8 percent said the same of Democrats -- perhaps this comes to no surprise.

Latino Voters Favor Obama Over Any Republican Candidate Six To One (POLL)

Yeah right, the majority of Hispanics are conservatives, they only vote democrat because they're told to..

Of course then you have those Hispanics who are brainwashed by the progressives who then go from God fearing conservatives to radical racist communists in a single generation.

All republicans need to do is show the Hispanic community how democrats hate Christianity and everything will be fine..

How do you think you got prop 8 in California???

That's right - Hispanics are conservative Christians...

 

[Syphon]

There's been a lot acknowledgment that swing voters (Independents and groups other than traditional political supporters) will determine the outcome of this (and future) presidential election(s).

To that end, it's usual for political parties to engage in outreach to swing voters by addressing issues that these groups find as a higher priority than the general electorate. After all, neither political party wants to be seen as tone deaf to a significantly large part of the electorate if that group could turn the election either for or against their candidate.

But lately, many people have noted that the GOP seems to be alienating significant segments of the electorate (women and Hispanics, for example) in its shift to the right. It's even more pronounced this year since the GOP nomination process is dragging on and the GOP hopefuls are engaged in an extended appeal to the GOP conservative base.

Well, it's one thing to bash unions when union membership numbers are down and still declining. But is it wise to alienate Hispanics which is the fastest growing segment of the population?

So, here's the question: Will traditionally conservative red states see a shift to Democrats and become either blue or purple states in national elections because Democrats are doing a much better job of outreach to Hispanics?

"A lot of it was SB 1070 [anti-illegal immigration act] and what [Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio] was doing in our communities that really triggered it," Guevara tells Raz. "Also, tuition increases and a lot of our Dream Act students basically got kicked out of school because of a proposition that increased tuition significantly."


Critics say Arizona's new immigration law encourages profiling. Republican Sheriff Arpaio's office was cited by the Justice Department for "pervasive culture of discriminatory bias against Latinos." And the Dream Act, which proposes paths to citizenship for some undocumented children of immigrants, is largely opposed by Republican lawmakers.


The issues Guevara mentions – among others — mobilized so many people in western Phoenix that it eventually inspired a recent Time Magazine cover story.


"In the end, we witnessed the greatest grassroots effort in the history of Phoenix politics," Valenzuela says.


The success prompted the Obama campaign to send an operative to Phoenix to learn more about Valenzeula's game plan and how to apply it nationwide; Valenzuela says he believes Arizona is in play this election.
"The Latino voter turnout increased by nearly 500 percent in one particular district," he says, "but over the city of Phoenix, which is the sixth-largest city in the country mind you, it actually increased by over 300 percent across the board."


Latinos like the ones who voted in Phoenix — people who had never voted before — could turn out across the country in such numbers this year that they might hold the power to swing the presidential election.
The way things are looking now, that's bad news for Republicans.
"When I hear some of the policies and the rhetoric that's coming out of the GOP debates, I hear very little other than anti-immigration reform," Valenzuela says. "And those things bother me, personally, and I know that I'm not alone."

Who Will Win Over America's Latino Voters? : NPR

Latino Voters Favor Obama Over Any Republican Candidate Six To One

A poll released this week by FOX News Latino indicates that Latino voters favor President Obama over any other Republican candidate with a six-to-one margin.

Considering the results of the Latino Decisions/ImpreMedia survey last December -- in which, 27 percent of those surveyed said that the GOP was “Being hostile” towards Hispanics, while only 8 percent said the same of Democrats -- perhaps this comes to no surprise.

Latino Voters Favor Obama Over Any Republican Candidate Six To One (POLL)

Yeah right, the majority of Hispanics are conservatives, they only vote democrat because they're told to..

Of course then you have those Hispanics who are brainwashed by the progressives who then go from God fearing conservatives to radical racist communists in a single generation.

All republicans need to do is show the Hispanic community how democrats hate Christianity and everything will be fine..

How do you think you got prop 8 in California???

That's right - Hispanics are conservative Christians...

prop 8 was overturned by the appeals court. you can not legislate away civil rights.

 

[MolochSolomon]

YOU STOLE CALIFORNIA THROUGH BLOODLUST AND HATE AND AN UNPROVOKED WAR. WE'LL GET ALL OF YOU. THE MUSLIMS BOMB YOU. WE BREED LIKE CRAZY IN THE WEST COAST. WE OUTBREED YOU 5 to 1 THEN WE FLOOD YOUR HEALTH CARE AND SCHOOL SYSTEMS. MEXICANS WILL OWN THIS COUNTRY.

 

[Syphon]

YOU STOLE CALIFORNIA THROUGH BLOODLUST AND HATE AND AN UNPROVOKED WAR. WE'LL GET ALL OF YOU. THE MUSLIMS BOMB YOU. WE BREED LIKE CRAZY IN THE WEST COAST. WE OUTBREED YOU 5 to 1 THEN WE FLOOD YOUR HEALTH CARE AND SCHOOL SYSTEMS. MEXICANS WILL OWN THIS COUNTRY.

if that happens will mexicans stop waving the mexican flag in favor of the american flag finally?

 

[Clementine]

The liberals seem to think that by not supporting illegal immigration, the Repubs will not get the Hispanic vote. Obama talked to a group of amnesty supporters and mocked the Repubs efforts to secure the border and deal with the problem. The crowd cheered. If they were American citizens, I am shocked that they would cheer for those who cheated and cut in line. If they aren't American citizens he was talking to, or ones that detest American and favor illegals, why would any self-respecting citizen stand with them?

Obama then goes to other groups (those libs love grouping people) and claims he has deported more illegals than Bush.

He talks to each group differently and tells them what they want to hear.

Divide and conquer. And the media is careful not to highlight the contradictions between Obama's speeches.

 

[MolochSolomon]

YOU STOLE CALIFORNIA THROUGH BLOODLUST AND HATE AND AN UNPROVOKED WAR. WE'LL GET ALL OF YOU. THE MUSLIMS BOMB YOU. WE BREED LIKE CRAZY IN THE WEST COAST. WE OUTBREED YOU 5 to 1 THEN WE FLOOD YOUR HEALTH CARE AND SCHOOL SYSTEMS. MEXICANS WILL OWN THIS COUNTRY.

if that happens will mexicans stop waving the mexican flag in favor of the american flag finally?

we're going to outbreed you for the next 30 years and then succeed ... thats the real plan. you cant stop us because were not even citizens... you think muslims are bad. our plan is so diabolic and deep... my god.

 

[MolochSolomon]

Theres a secret underground mexican army in los angeles. We're going to leave the union by 2040.

 

[Mr.Nick]

There's been a lot acknowledgment that swing voters (Independents and groups other than traditional political supporters) will determine the outcome of this (and future) presidential election(s).

To that end, it's usual for political parties to engage in outreach to swing voters by addressing issues that these groups find as a higher priority than the general electorate. After all, neither political party wants to be seen as tone deaf to a significantly large part of the electorate if that group could turn the election either for or against their candidate.

But lately, many people have noted that the GOP seems to be alienating significant segments of the electorate (women and Hispanics, for example) in its shift to the right. It's even more pronounced this year since the GOP nomination process is dragging on and the GOP hopefuls are engaged in an extended appeal to the GOP conservative base.

Well, it's one thing to bash unions when union membership numbers are down and still declining. But is it wise to alienate Hispanics which is the fastest growing segment of the population?

So, here's the question: Will traditionally conservative red states see a shift to Democrats and become either blue or purple states in national elections because Democrats are doing a much better job of outreach to Hispanics?

Yeah right, the majority of Hispanics are conservatives, they only vote democrat because they're told to..

Of course then you have those Hispanics who are brainwashed by the progressives who then go from God fearing conservatives to radical racist communists in a single generation.

All republicans need to do is show the Hispanic community how democrats hate Christianity and everything will be fine..

How do you think you got prop 8 in California???

That's right - Hispanics are conservative Christians...

prop 8 was overturned by the appeals court. you can not legislate away civil rights.

Marriage isn't a civil right dummy..

Not to mention to make it even worse on you - you cant violate the Tenth Amendment and overturn democracy especially...

 

[Robert_Stephens]

Good post OP.

Here in NM it is predominantly latino which I love since it is akin to being back home in Majahual, Quintana Roo state, Yucatan, MX for myself. I love it and since being bilingual as well I function fine here. And since NM is the only state named after a foreign country in our union, it is very different here. It is the most laid back state in the union and enforces very little if none of the draconian "laws and rules" thus imposed on the rest of the republic and that getting worse by the day.

It is also very low in taxes, getting DL, insurance, getting building permits, etc, etc., and is more like what the USA calls "the third world" which is a total misnomer and does not make sense to the average American living abroad or in a place like this.

So, yes, the Latino population should be factored in.

Robert

 

[Inthemiddle]

your trying to use the logic argument to say murder and illegal immigration are the same

No, you're being either intentionally dishonest, or simply obtuse. I said the ARGUMENTS are of the same form, specifically an invalid form.

yet in the same argument you try to use logic to say subject matter isnt important?

You need to educate yourself on logical validity. Here, let me google that for you.

if subject matter isnt important, there would be one standard punishment for breaking the law. since there is not, SUBJECT MATTER IS IMPORTANT.

What. In. The Hell. Are you talking about? What does such a preposterous rant have to do with logical validity, and comparing the logical form of arguments?

you fail to recognize how stupid your argument is.

Actually, it's you who is doing that. You're about as good as a snake handling preacher telling a biologist that dinosaurs lived side by side with humans in the garden of Eden. Like I said, go read a textbook on introductory logic. Here's a good one.

 

[bodecea]

Yeah. The GOP is missing out on a gigantic opportunity. Hispanics are working their asses off, and they are extremely family oriented. And they are deeply religious.

In other words, Hispanics are everything the GOP is all about. Work ethic, mom, America, family, and faith.

So okay, maybe they like their cinnamon on churros instead of apple pie, but COME ON! These people are almost perfect!

But instead of going with demographics, the GOP goes with demagogues. The party paints immigrants with a huge brush as a bunch of illegals, drug smugglers, and job stealers.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Again.

IF they continue in this vein, the Republicans may go the way of the Know Nothing Party.

 

[Mr.Nick]

YOU STOLE CALIFORNIA THROUGH BLOODLUST AND HATE AND AN UNPROVOKED WAR. WE'LL GET ALL OF YOU. THE MUSLIMS BOMB YOU. WE BREED LIKE CRAZY IN THE WEST COAST. WE OUTBREED YOU 5 to 1 THEN WE FLOOD YOUR HEALTH CARE AND SCHOOL SYSTEMS. MEXICANS WILL OWN THIS COUNTRY.

Actually California (and the south west) was purchased by the US from Mexico...

Mexican Cession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also see: the purchase of Alaska and the Louisiana Purchase.