Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JRK]

WMDs were not found in Iraq. That was the truth last year, that's the truth this year, that will be the truth next year.

CC this evidence was presented to congress in 2006
By no means did we find what the UN and others had information from Saddam stating other wise, but these where found
No matter there condition they were not suppose to have existed as well as there payload was still dangerous
for the record there where WMDs found in Iraq
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

 

[georgephillip]

Idiot.....who put in motion the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

A) Saddam
B) Bush SR
C) Bush JR
D) Santa Claus

Come on idiot, you can do it. Hint, the US wasn't doing anything to Iraq before the attack on Kuwait.

Dumbass....

1) Your stats about who died or was injured in Iraq is 99% of the time inflated, bogus numbers. You scum just threw around huge numbers during the invasion piece.
2) Anyone that died in Iraq while Saddam and his sons stole from the Oil for Food program, died at the hands of Saddam and his sons.
3) Where are your stats on the number of people killed and tortured by Saddam and his sons?

So in your tiny mind, the average Iraqi was better off living in fear of Saddam and his sons instead of today with the democratic govt trying to build their country to a peaceful middle east country with a lot of wealth to be shared.

In your nonexistent mind do the one in four Iraqis who have died, been displaced, maimed, or incarcerated since March 2003 deserve their fates? What threat did Saddam pose to the US? When did the UN Security Council authorize the US invasion of Iraq? If you can't answer either question, the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

BTW, those "inflated, bogus numbers" come from the New England Journal of Medicine and most stem from heroic US bombs falling on water treatment plants that were located hundreds of miles from Kuwait.

Maybe you can tell us which country is the greatest purveyor of violence on the planet today?

You "forgot" the Dick.

"Cheney and Schwarzkopf oversaw planning for what would become a full-scale US military operation. According to General Colin Powell, Cheney 'had become a glutton for information, with an appetite we could barely satisfy. He spent hours in the National Military Command Center peppering my staff with questions.'"

How much money did Dick the Draft Dodger make from that appetite?

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JRK]

Idiot.....who put in motion the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

A) Saddam
B) Bush SR
C) Bush JR
D) Santa Claus

Come on idiot, you can do it. Hint, the US wasn't doing anything to Iraq before the attack on Kuwait.

In your nonexistent mind do the one in four Iraqis who have died, been displaced, maimed, or incarcerated since March 2003 deserve their fates? What threat did Saddam pose to the US? When did the UN Security Council authorize the US invasion of Iraq? If you can't answer either question, the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

BTW, those "inflated, bogus numbers" come from the New England Journal of Medicine and most stem from heroic US bombs falling on water treatment plants that were located hundreds of miles from Kuwait.

Maybe you can tell us which country is the greatest purveyor of violence on the planet today?

You "forgot" the Dick.

"Cheney and Schwarzkopf oversaw planning for what would become a full-scale US military operation. According to General Colin Powell, Cheney 'had become a glutton for information, with an appetite we could barely satisfy. He spent hours in the National Military Command Center peppering my staff with questions.'"

How much money did Dick the Draft Dodger make from that appetite?

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So preparing people to defend this country now is defined as glutton?
what money did he make?
and draft dodger?

Any way the war was about Al Qaeda and Saddam, not D Cheney

 

[ERGO]

Dumbass, there were zero sanctions against Iraq until Saddam decided to invade Kuwait to steal their wealth, rape their women and kill whoever got in their way.

As for terrorists hiding under the No Fly Zone areas, the US military was there to enforce illegal aircraft in the air not worry about who was hiding in a hut below. Bill Clinton needed to direct bombing of specific targets on the ground. He was too scared to bomb UBL's camps in Afghanistan so hell would freeze over before he started randomly bombing some so-called terrorist camp in Iraq not aligned with Saddam at the time.

"Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) was a popular name for the Iraqi division of the international Salafi jihadi militant organization al-Qaeda. It was recognized as a part of the greater Iraqi insurgency.

"The group was founded in 2003 as a reaction to the US led Coalition Iraq war, and first led by the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who declared allegiance to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network in October 2004."

Which country has been the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet since the end of WWII?

al-Qaeda in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course it was
there was strong intelligence that al Qaeda were allowed into Iraq by Saddam in mid-2002 (with severe consequences later).”

Blair elaborates:

There is an interesting sidebar to this. It later emerged that [Abu Musab] al-Zarqawi, the deputy to bin Laden, had come to Iraq in May 2002, had had meetings with senior Iraqis and established a presence there in October 2002. This intelligence has not been withdrawn, by the way. Probably we should have paid more attention to its significance, but we were so keen not to make a false claim about al Qaeda and Saddam that we somewhat understated it, at least on the British side.

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

Your spin, British PM facts
take your choice
I am being serious

Iraq's Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties Were Disputed Before War
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 9, 2006

A declassified report released yesterday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.

Far from aligning himself with al-Qaeda and Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Hussein repeatedly rebuffed al-Qaeda's overtures and tried to capture Zarqawi, the report said. Tariq Aziz, the detained former deputy prime minister, has told the FBI that Hussein "only expressed negative sentiments about [Osama] bin Laden."

The report also said exiles from the Iraqi National Congress[/B] (INC) tried to influence U.S. policy by providing, through defectors, false information on Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons capabilities. After skeptical analysts warned that the group had been penetrated by hostile intelligence services, including Iran's, a 2002 White House directive ordered that U.S. funding for the INC be continued.
[B]
The newly declassified intelligence report provided administration critics with fresh ammunition, less than two months before midterm elections and in the middle of President Bush's campaign to refocus the public's attention away from Iraq and toward the threat of terrorism. Senior Senate Democrats immediately seized on the findings, using some of their strongest language yet to say the president continues to willfully and falsely connect Hussein to al-Qaeda.

As recently as Aug. 21, 2006 Bush suggested a link between Hussein and Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, who was killed by U.S. forces this summer. But a CIA assessment in October 2005 concluded that Hussein's government "did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates," according to the report.

"The president is still distorting. He's still making statements which are false," said Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), an intelligence committee member.

Read rest at:Iraq's Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties Were Disputed Before War

[/B]

 

[JRK]

"Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) was a popular name for the Iraqi division of the international Salafi jihadi militant organization al-Qaeda. It was recognized as a part of the greater Iraqi insurgency.

"The group was founded in 2003 as a reaction to the US led Coalition Iraq war, and first led by the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who declared allegiance to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network in October 2004."

Which country has been the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet since the end of WWII?

al-Qaeda in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course it was
there was strong intelligence that al Qaeda were allowed into Iraq by Saddam in mid-2002 (with severe consequences later).”

Blair elaborates:

There is an interesting sidebar to this. It later emerged that [Abu Musab] al-Zarqawi, the deputy to bin Laden, had come to Iraq in May 2002, had had meetings with senior Iraqis and established a presence there in October 2002. This intelligence has not been withdrawn, by the way. Probably we should have paid more attention to its significance, but we were so keen not to make a false claim about al Qaeda and Saddam that we somewhat understated it, at least on the British side.

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

Your spin, British PM facts
take your choice
I am being serious

Iraq's Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties Were Disputed Before War
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 9, 2006

A declassified report released yesterday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.

Far from aligning himself with al-Qaeda and Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Hussein repeatedly rebuffed al-Qaeda's overtures and tried to capture Zarqawi, the report said. Tariq Aziz, the detained former deputy prime minister, has told the FBI that Hussein "only expressed negative sentiments about [Osama] bin Laden."

The report also said exiles from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) tried to influence U.S. policy by providing, through defectors, false information on Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons capabilities. After skeptical analysts warned that the group had been penetrated by hostile intelligence services, including Iran's, a 2002 White House directive ordered that U.S. funding for the INC be continued.
[B]
The newly declassified intelligence report provided administration critics with fresh ammunition, less than two months before midterm elections and in the middle of President Bush's campaign to refocus the public's attention away from Iraq and toward the threat of terrorism. Senior Senate Democrats immediately seized on the findings, using some of their strongest language yet to say the president continues to willfully and falsely connect Hussein to al-Qaeda.

As recently as Aug. 21, 2006 Bush suggested a link between Hussein and Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, who was killed by U.S. forces this summer. But a CIA assessment in October 2005 concluded that Hussein's government "did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates," according to the report.

"The president is still distorting. He's still making statements which are false," said Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), an intelligence committee member.

Read rest at:Iraq's Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties Were Disputed Before War

[/B]

Were did Zarqawi get killed?
So Levin is your source huh?
In an election that has proved to be a disaster
from 2007 thru 2010 what a wreck huh?

There is nothing in that link that is anything more than opinions
We found WMDs, out dated and with the exception of throwing them, worth less

Only problem was they were suppose to not exist

In addition
It will be hard to dispute ones wife huh?
Even though Blair says it “later emerged” that Zarqawi had set up shop in Iraq in 2002, this connection was actually a formal part of the American case for war. Secretary of State Colin Powell included a section on Zarqawi’s network in Iraq in his February 5, 2003, presentation before the United Nations.

Former CIA director George Tenet reveals in his own autobiography, At the Center of the Storm, some of the intelligence that backed up Powell’s presentation. More than one dozen other al Qaeda terrorists had joined Zarqawi in Baghdad. One of them was an Egyptian known as Abu Ayyub al Masri, who had served Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, since the 1980s. After Zarqawi was killed in 2006, al Masri took his place as the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Al Masri himself was killed earlier this year, and his widow confirmed that they had moved to central Baghdad in 2002.

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

Now you have the mans wife vs Levin
Okay

 

[ERGO]

WMDs were not found in Iraq. That was the truth last year, that's the truth this year, that will be the truth next year.

CC this evidence was presented to congress in 2006
By no means did we find what the UN and others had information from Saddam stating other wise, but these where found
No matter there condition they were not suppose to have existed as well as there payload was still dangerous
for the record there where WMDs found in Iraq.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

You're using a defense.gov news article as your source, "WMD Criteria" ?, to prove the government wasn't lying about WMD's? And what is your definition of circular logic/reasoning? Nope, no BIAS here.

 

[IndependntLogic]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

LOL! Bankrupt America: Done
Create the largest Shia bloc in history: Done
Create the most corrupt government in the world: Done

Yeah um, big success there buddy.

 

[ERGO]

Of course it was
there was strong intelligence that al Qaeda were allowed into Iraq by Saddam in mid-2002 (with severe consequences later).”

Blair elaborates:

There is an interesting sidebar to this. It later emerged that [Abu Musab] al-Zarqawi, the deputy to bin Laden, had come to Iraq in May 2002, had had meetings with senior Iraqis and established a presence there in October 2002. This intelligence has not been withdrawn, by the way. Probably we should have paid more attention to its significance, but we were so keen not to make a false claim about al Qaeda and Saddam that we somewhat understated it, at least on the British side.

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

Your spin, British PM facts
take your choice
I am being serious

Iraq's Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties Were Disputed Before War
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 9, 2006

A declassified report released yesterday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.

Far from aligning himself with al-Qaeda and Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Hussein repeatedly rebuffed al-Qaeda's overtures and tried to capture Zarqawi, the report said. Tariq Aziz, the detained former deputy prime minister, has told the FBI that Hussein "only expressed negative sentiments about [Osama] bin Laden."

The report also said exiles from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) tried to influence U.S. policy by providing, through defectors, false information on Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons capabilities. After skeptical analysts warned that the group had been penetrated by hostile intelligence services, including Iran's, a 2002 White House directive ordered that U.S. funding for the INC be continued.
[B]
The newly declassified intelligence report provided administration critics with fresh ammunition, less than two months before midterm elections and in the middle of President Bush's campaign to refocus the public's attention away from Iraq and toward the threat of terrorism. Senior Senate Democrats immediately seized on the findings, using some of their strongest language yet to say the president continues to willfully and falsely connect Hussein to al-Qaeda.

As recently as Aug. 21, 2006 Bush suggested a link between Hussein and Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, who was killed by U.S. forces this summer. But a CIA assessment in October 2005 concluded that Hussein's government "did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates," according to the report.

"The president is still distorting. He's still making statements which are false," said Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), an intelligence committee member.

Read rest at:Iraq's Alleged Al-Qaeda Ties Were Disputed Before War

[/B]

Were did Zarqawi get killed?
So Levin is your source huh?
In an election that has proved to be a disaster
from 2007 thru 2010 what a wreck huh?

There is nothing in that link that is anything more than opinions
We found WMDs, out dated and with the exception of throwing them, worth less

Only problem was they were suppose to not exist

In addition
It will be hard to dispute ones wife huh?
Even though Blair says it “later emerged” that Zarqawi had set up shop in Iraq in 2002, this connection was actually a formal part of the American case for war. Secretary of State Colin Powell included a section on Zarqawi’s network in Iraq in his February 5, 2003, presentation before the United Nations.

Former CIA director George Tenet reveals in his own autobiography, At the Center of the Storm, some of the intelligence that backed up Powell’s presentation. More than one dozen other al Qaeda terrorists had joined Zarqawi in Baghdad. One of them was an Egyptian known as Abu Ayyub al Masri, who had served Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, since the 1980s. After Zarqawi was killed in 2006, al Masri took his place as the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Al Masri himself was killed earlier this year, and his widow confirmed that they had moved to central Baghdad in 2002.

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

Now you have the mans wife vs Levin
Okay

You're very delusional and you're grasping at straws to try and prove something that has been refuted with irrefutable evidence a long time ago, that the Bush Jr. Administration's reasons for going to war in Iraq were based on a pack of LIES.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Doosh JRK spammed all the time without proper copyright.STFU JRK.

You must work as one of those liberal radio show spam callers Monday-Friday before you do it on the weekend here.

Doosh GB Haven't Got A Clue is adding his worthless dribble. STFU doosh boy

 

[JRK]

WMDs were not found in Iraq. That was the truth last year, that's the truth this year, that will be the truth next year.

CC this evidence was presented to congress in 2006
By no means did we find what the UN and others had information from Saddam stating other wise, but these where found
No matter there condition they were not suppose to have existed as well as there payload was still dangerous
for the record there where WMDs found in Iraq.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

You're using a defense.gov news article as your source, "WMD Criteria" ?, to prove the government wasn't lying about WMD's? And what is your definition of circular logic/reasoning? Nope, no BIAS here.

I guess CBS would be better? This event was done to prove that congress was correct in supporting the use of force in October in 2002 to enforce UN regulations
Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

he agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

The spin is mind boggling
Congress agreed with GWB in 02 and was proven right on Saddam not complying with UN regs, also it was proven later that Al Qaeda had set up a presence with the intent to do harm in Iraq BEFORE we invaded as came out post mid term elections

Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard
Even though Blair says it “later emerged” that Zarqawi had set up shop in Iraq in 2002, this connection was actually a formal part of the American case for war. Secretary of State Colin Powell included a section on Zarqawi’s network in Iraq in his February 5, 2003, presentation before the United Nations.

Former CIA director George Tenet reveals in his own autobiography, At the Center of the Storm, some of the intelligence that backed up Powell’s presentation. More than one dozen other al Qaeda terrorists had joined Zarqawi in Baghdad. One of them was an Egyptian known as Abu Ayyub al Masri, who had served Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, since the 1980s. After Zarqawi was killed in 2006, al Masri took his place as the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Al Masri himself was killed earlier this year, and his widow confirmed that they had moved to central Baghdad in 2002.

It is like stating that one has a flat tire from a 16 penny nail instead of the 60 penny that was made before inspection of the tire
Saddam was to have removed/destroyed all munitions, not some
he by definition Saddam was not in compliance with terms of his surrender in 1991 much less 2002
GWB stated that if you harbor terrorist, we will come after you. Colin Powell stated that Al Qaeda was in Iraq in Feb 2002, that was as we see after the lies in the 06 mid terms correct

what else is there?
these events were sad. People, 100s of thousands of people have had there lives changed because of those events
Saddam and OBL is why
not GWB nor any-one else

 

[georgephillip]

Idiot.....who put in motion the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

A) Saddam
B) Bush SR
C) Bush JR
D) Santa Claus

Come on idiot, you can do it. Hint, the US wasn't doing anything to Iraq before the attack on Kuwait.

You "forgot" the Dick.

"Cheney and Schwarzkopf oversaw planning for what would become a full-scale US military operation. According to General Colin Powell, Cheney 'had become a glutton for information, with an appetite we could barely satisfy. He spent hours in the National Military Command Center peppering my staff with questions.'"

How much money did Dick the Draft Dodger make from that appetite?

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So preparing people to defend this country now is defined as glutton?
what money did he make?
and draft dodger?

Any way the war was about Al Qaeda and Saddam, not D Cheney

"When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments.[16][17] In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, 'I had other priorities in the '60s than military service.'

Cheney's a classic rich conservative getting rich from other peoples' money and blood.
The war was about rich people getting richer from convincing poor people to kill other poor people.
Conservatives have been supporting those crimes for centuries.

Why don't you answer the question, which country has been the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet since 1945?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#Early_life_and_education

 

[JakeStarkey]

all neo-cons know that the US arms industry has generated the greatest violence for the last sixty plus years throughout the globe, supported by righty media of the Political Chick and Crusader Frank types. The American neo-cons had an awful lot of help and competition from Soviet and Asian communism.

 

[MikeK]

The one in four Iraqis who have died, been maimed or displaced from their homes or incarcerated since March 2003.

How do you justify killing thousands of innocent human beings for money?

I am not sure your numbers are accurate
Iraq Body Count project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say this one is which is 156,000 total deaths
from 03-11
A.Ps is less
WikiLeaks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Justify?
This world changed 9-11-2001
Saddam was told weeks later what to do or else
the man was given 18 months

If you are capable of rational thought try to view our unprovoked invasion of Iraq from this perspective: To deliberately kill just one innocent baby, unless one's very survival imminently depends on it, is unforgiveably savage and cannot be justified.

That is just one. How many innocent little babies and tots were blown to bits or incinerated in their cribs by those bright flashes we saw on tv during our "Shock and Awe" bombing of Baghdad -- which was perpetrated for no good reason. Do you have any idea how many? I don't. But a safe guess is it was hundreds if not thousands, because we literally demolished that city.

Forget the innocent mothers and fathers who had no hostility toward America and wanted nothing more than to lead peaceful lives and raise their familes. Focus your thoughts on just the babies. What we watched, as if it were a Coney Island fireworks display, was an event which rivals the wholly unnecessary and cold-bloodedly inhuman cruelties of the Third Reich.

This is not to say we Americans are cold-blooded and murderous by nature. But the fact that the vast majority of us have become so completely disconnected from monumental realities which occur outside our individual spheres of existence has enabled such monstrous personalities as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to position us alongside the Nazis and the Huns in the pages of world history. The simple fact is we had absolutely no justifiable reason to invade Iraq, deliberately kill so many babies and reduce a civilized nation to rubble. The fact that the ruler of that nation was a bad guy is no excuse.

It seems all some right-wing propagandist has to do is tell you Iraq has been "stabilized" and you don't give such a preposterous notion a second thought. The fact is what the Bush regime maneuvered us into doing to Iraq has transformed America from the most respected and admired nation in the world into the most feared and despised. And I wonder what your thoughts are about that.

 

[JRK]

You "forgot" the Dick.

"Cheney and Schwarzkopf oversaw planning for what would become a full-scale US military operation. According to General Colin Powell, Cheney 'had become a glutton for information, with an appetite we could barely satisfy. He spent hours in the National Military Command Center peppering my staff with questions.'"

How much money did Dick the Draft Dodger make from that appetite?

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So preparing people to defend this country now is defined as glutton?
what money did he make?
and draft dodger?

Any way the war was about Al Qaeda and Saddam, not D Cheney

"When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments.[16][17] In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, 'I had other priorities in the '60s than military service.'

Cheney's a classic rich conservative getting rich from other peoples' money and blood.
The war was about rich people getting richer from convincing poor people to kill other poor people.
Conservatives have been supporting those crimes for centuries.

Why don't you answer the question, which country has been the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet since 1945?

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US started which of these wars?
If you have an issue with the most powerful country in this world helping those who cannot help themselves then leave
Korea
Vietnam (which I will admit was a mistake)
Iraq
Afghanistan

We did not start those wars
Iraq had Al Qaeda
they invaded Kuwait and was allowed to remain Iraq with Saddam only by doing those things they had agreed to, they lied and after 9-11 there lying was no longer tolerated

You got a problem with the way this country conducts its self, move to france and good luck

For the record I hate all violence
N Korea invaded
N Vietnam Invaded
OBL killed
Saddam killed and invaded

We started none of them so your claim is 100% false that we are resp for any violence
no invasions
no wars
no 9-11, no violence
no USS Cole
No Violence
No Kuwait
No Violence
No WMDs
No Violence

 

[JRK]

The one in four Iraqis who have died, been maimed or displaced from their homes or incarcerated since March 2003.

How do you justify killing thousands of innocent human beings for money?

I am not sure your numbers are accurate
Iraq Body Count project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say this one is which is 156,000 total deaths
from 03-11
A.Ps is less
WikiLeaks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Justify?
This world changed 9-11-2001
Saddam was told weeks later what to do or else
the man was given 18 months

If you are capable of rational thought try to view our unprovoked invasion of Iraq from this perspective: To deliberately kill just one innocent baby, unless one's very survival imminently depends on it, is unforgiveably savage and cannot be justified.

That is just one. How many innocent little babies and tots were blown to bits or incinerated in their cribs by those bright flashes we saw on tv during our "Shock and Awe" bombing of Baghdad -- which was perpetrated for no good reason. Do you have any idea how many? I don't. But a safe guess is it was hundreds if not thousands, because we literally demolished that city.

Forget the innocent mothers and fathers who had no hostility toward America and wanted nothing more than to lead peaceful lives and raise their familes. Focus your thoughts on just the babies. What we watched, as if it were a Coney Island fireworks display, was an event which rivals the wholly unnecessary and cold-bloodedly inhuman cruelties of the Third Reich.

This is not to say we Americans are cold-blooded and murderous by nature. But the fact that the vast majority of us have become so completely disconnected from monumental realities which occur outside our individual spheres of existence has enabled such monstrous personalities as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to position us alongside the Nazis and the Huns in the pages of world history. The simple fact is we had absolutely no justifiable reason to invade Iraq, deliberately kill so many babies and reduce a civilized nation to rubble. The fact that the ruler of that nation was a bad guy is no excuse.

It seems all some right-wing propagandist has to do is tell you Iraq has been "stabilized" and you don't give such a preposterous notion a second thought. The fact is what the Bush regime maneuvered us into doing to Iraq has transformed America from the most respected and admired nation in the world into the most feared and despised. And I wonder what your thoughts are about that.

Then by your own account Saddam should have been removed along time prior to 2003
Number of Victims

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]
Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I could not agree with you more. Any violence sucks
But you liberals have been lied to so much (not your fault) that genocide you for some reason blame us and ignore the real terror

Your numbers in Iraq were those by Saddam loyalist and Al Qaeda, not the US
No Saddam
No OBL
No Zarqawi

none of this happens

 

[JRK]

I am amazed that the liberal mind in this country has been lied to so much that they would compare GWB with Hitler and ignore the real terrorist, Saddam Hussein

2 million people slaughtered
and entire region in turmoil
He invaded his neighbor based on oil drilling that he claimed was done by drilling side ways
He gassed 100s of thousands of his own people

OBL and Al Qaeda declared war on us and some of there top commanders ended up in this same country

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE US DO?

 

[Staidhup]

Years ago the world was ruled by some who felt the sacrifice of justice for appeasement would result in peace, over 10 million died as a result. If no one will stand for justice and freedom then how many more are destined to die at the hands of tyranny?

 

[IndependntLogic]

I am amazed that the liberal mind in this country has been lied to so much that they would compare GWB with Hitler

Because Conservatives NEVER compare Obama to Hitler, right?

and ignore the real terrorist, Saddam Hussein

2 million people slaughtered
and entire region in turmoil
He invaded his neighbor based on oil drilling that he claimed was done by drilling side ways
He gassed 100s of thousands of his own people

OBL and Al Qaeda declared war on us and some of there top commanders ended up in this same country

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE US DO?

I would have had us not invade Iraq. There are dozens of countries all over the world with horrible leaders. As Jefferson said "It is not our role to be the police of the world but rather to promote democracy through example."
Based on what your logic (or rather, the reasoning given to you), there are a dozen countries in Africa, half a dozen in Europe, a few in South America, several in the ME and of course, N. Korea and China that the US should invade. Insanity.
If you were in charge, we'd be pretty busy!
But you've been told what to believe and you just do.

We didn't HAVE to invade Iraq just like we don't HAVE to invade China.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So preparing people to defend this country now is defined as glutton?
what money did he make?
and draft dodger?

Any way the war was about Al Qaeda and Saddam, not D Cheney

"When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments.[16][17] In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, 'I had other priorities in the '60s than military service.'

Cheney's a classic rich conservative getting rich from other peoples' money and blood.
The war was about rich people getting richer from convincing poor people to kill other poor people.
Conservatives have been supporting those crimes for centuries.

Why don't you answer the question, which country has been the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet since 1945?

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US started which of these wars?
If you have an issue with the most powerful country in this world helping those who cannot help themselves then leave
Korea
Vietnam (which I will admit was a mistake)
Iraq
Afghanistan

We did not start those wars
Iraq had Al Qaeda
they invaded Kuwait and was allowed to remain Iraq with Saddam only by doing those things they had agreed to, they lied and after 9-11 there lying was no longer tolerated

You got a problem with the way this country conducts its self, move to france and good luck

For the record I hate all violence
N Korea invaded
N Vietnam Invaded
OBL killed
Saddam killed and invaded

We started none of them so your claim is 100% false that we are resp for any violence
no invasions
no wars
no 9-11, no violence
no USS Cole
No Violence
No Kuwait
No Violence
No WMDs
No Violence

We were not provoked by Iraq, and we had no UN authorization to enforce UN resolutions.

We launched an illegal war in violation of international standards.

We have paid already in so many ways for our actions, and we will keep reaping the dark harvest of its bad results.

All the whining by the JRKs changes not one iota or jot of the judgement against us.

 

[Mac1958]

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Our keyboard generals are very brave, indeed.

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