CDZ Why was the fully automatic firing system banned?

[Nosmo King]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Here's a hint: the military doesn't even use weapons like that.

 

[bgrouse]

Currently it's there to keep ****** liberals who don't know anything about guns happy.

 

[Hossfly]

Here's a hint: the military doesn't even use weapons like that.

Keerect! These days they have fully automatic Hellfire missiles.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Here's a hint: the military doesn't even use weapons like that.

Keerect! These days they have fully automatic Hellfire missiles.

The USAF is experimenting with lasers on fighter jets.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system?

Al Capone

How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Was it ever challenged?

 

[JGalt]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Because of FDR. He was the one who signed the National Firearms Act of 1934.

According to Wikipedia:

"The impetus for the National Firearms Act of 1934 was the gangland crime of the Prohibition era, such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre of 1929, and the attempted assassination of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933."

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia

 

[depotoo]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia

The Act also contained a provision that banned the sale of machine guns manufactured after the date of enactment to civilians, restricting sales of these weapons to the military and law enforcement. Thus, in the ensuing years, the limited supply of these arms available to civilians has caused an enormous increase in their price, with most costing in excess of $10,000. Regarding these fully-automatic firearmsowned by private citizens in the U.S., political scientist Earl Kruschke said "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime."[3]:85

The Act mandated that ATF compliance inspections can be done only once per year. An exception to the "once per year" rule exists if multiple record-keeping violations are recorded in an inspection, in which case the ATF may do a follow-up inspection. The main reason for a follow-up inspection would be if guns could not be accounted for.


Ban On New Automatic FirearmsEdit
As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332, which modified the act to ban the civilian ownership of new machine guns, specifically to amend 18 U.S.C. § 922 to add subsection (o):

(o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.

(2) This subsection does not apply with respect to— (A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.
The ATF, as a representative of the U.S. and with authority from the National Firearms Act, can authorize the transfer of a machine gun to an unlicensed civilian. An unlicensed individual may acquire machine guns, with ATF approval.[4] The transferor must file an ATF application, which must be completed by both parties to the transfer:[4]

• executed under penalties of perjury[5]
• both parties must reside in the same state as the individual
• pay a $200 transfer tax to ATF[6]
• the application must include detailed information on the firearm and the parties to the transfer[5][7]
• the transferee must certify on the application that he or she is not disqualified from possessing firearms on grounds specified in law
• the transferee must submit with the application (1) two photographs taken within the past year; and (2) fingerprints[7]
• the transferee must submit with the application (3) a copy of any state or local permit or license required to buy, possess, or acquire machine guns
• an appropriate (local) law enforcement official must certify whether he or she has any information indicating that the firearm will be used for other than lawful purposes or that possession would violate state or federal law[7]
• the transferee must, as part of the registration process, pass an extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal background investigation.[8]

If ATF denies an application, it must refund the tax.[4] Gun owners must keep approved applications as evidence of registration of the firearms and make them available for inspection by ATF officers.[4]


District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and ...
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia

 

[Nosmo King]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system?

Al Capone

How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Was it ever challenged?

One guy? C'mon!

There is a whole category of weapons affected by this restrictions n. There is an infringement on all citizen's rights.

How come?

 

[Nosmo King]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia

The Act also contained a provision that banned the sale of machine guns manufactured after the date of enactment to civilians, restricting sales of these weapons to the military and law enforcement. Thus, in the ensuing years, the limited supply of these arms available to civilians has caused an enormous increase in their price, with most costing in excess of $10,000. Regarding these fully-automatic firearmsowned by private citizens in the U.S., political scientist Earl Kruschke said "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime."[3]:85

The Act mandated that ATF compliance inspections can be done only once per year. An exception to the "once per year" rule exists if multiple record-keeping violations are recorded in an inspection, in which case the ATF may do a follow-up inspection. The main reason for a follow-up inspection would be if guns could not be accounted for.


Ban On New Automatic FirearmsEdit
As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332, which modified the act to ban the civilian ownership of new machine guns, specifically to amend 18 U.S.C. § 922 to add subsection (o):

(o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.

(2) This subsection does not apply with respect to— (A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.
The ATF, as a representative of the U.S. and with authority from the National Firearms Act, can authorize the transfer of a machine gun to an unlicensed civilian. An unlicensed individual may acquire machine guns, with ATF approval.[4] The transferor must file an ATF application, which must be completed by both parties to the transfer:[4]

• executed under penalties of perjury[5]
• both parties must reside in the same state as the individual
• pay a $200 transfer tax to ATF[6]
• the application must include detailed information on the firearm and the parties to the transfer[5][7]
• the transferee must certify on the application that he or she is not disqualified from possessing firearms on grounds specified in law
• the transferee must submit with the application (1) two photographs taken within the past year; and (2) fingerprints[7]
• the transferee must submit with the application (3) a copy of any state or local permit or license required to buy, possess, or acquire machine guns
• an appropriate (local) law enforcement official must certify whether he or she has any information indicating that the firearm will be used for other than lawful purposes or that possession would violate state or federal law[7]
• the transferee must, as part of the registration process, pass an extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal background investigation.[8]

If ATF denies an application, it must refund the tax.[4] Gun owners must keep approved applications as evidence of registration of the firearms and make them available for inspection by ATF officers.[4]


District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and ...
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia

So these weapons were deemed too hazardous to be held by private citizens. These weapons were considered a public safety priority.

Interesting.

 

[JGalt]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system?

Al Capone

How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Was it ever challenged?

One guy? C'mon!

There is a whole category of weapons affected by this restrictions n. There is an infringement on all citizen's rights.

How come?

For the tax money and revenue generated for the government, maybe. $200 apiece for every full-auto weapon, silencer, and explosive device.

If the government doesn't like something, they tax the hell out it. Like cigarettes or booze.

 

[Marion Morrison]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Prohibition and gangsters. Next!

 

[depotoo]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia

The Act also contained a provision that banned the sale of machine guns manufactured after the date of enactment to civilians, restricting sales of these weapons to the military and law enforcement. Thus, in the ensuing years, the limited supply of these arms available to civilians has caused an enormous increase in their price, with most costing in excess of $10,000. Regarding these fully-automatic firearmsowned by private citizens in the U.S., political scientist Earl Kruschke said "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime."[3]:85

The Act mandated that ATF compliance inspections can be done only once per year. An exception to the "once per year" rule exists if multiple record-keeping violations are recorded in an inspection, in which case the ATF may do a follow-up inspection. The main reason for a follow-up inspection would be if guns could not be accounted for.


Ban On New Automatic FirearmsEdit
As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332, which modified the act to ban the civilian ownership of new machine guns, specifically to amend 18 U.S.C. § 922 to add subsection (o):

(o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.

(2) This subsection does not apply with respect to— (A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.
The ATF, as a representative of the U.S. and with authority from the National Firearms Act, can authorize the transfer of a machine gun to an unlicensed civilian. An unlicensed individual may acquire machine guns, with ATF approval.[4] The transferor must file an ATF application, which must be completed by both parties to the transfer:[4]

• executed under penalties of perjury[5]
• both parties must reside in the same state as the individual
• pay a $200 transfer tax to ATF[6]
• the application must include detailed information on the firearm and the parties to the transfer[5][7]
• the transferee must certify on the application that he or she is not disqualified from possessing firearms on grounds specified in law
• the transferee must submit with the application (1) two photographs taken within the past year; and (2) fingerprints[7]
• the transferee must submit with the application (3) a copy of any state or local permit or license required to buy, possess, or acquire machine guns
• an appropriate (local) law enforcement official must certify whether he or she has any information indicating that the firearm will be used for other than lawful purposes or that possession would violate state or federal law[7]
• the transferee must, as part of the registration process, pass an extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal background investigation.[8]

If ATF denies an application, it must refund the tax.[4] Gun owners must keep approved applications as evidence of registration of the firearms and make them available for inspection by ATF officers.[4]


District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and ...
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia

So these weapons were deemed too hazardous to be held by private citizens. These weapons were considered a public safety priority.

Interesting.

They were even banned for the military, but one can apply, if they have the cash to get a license, so not fully banned.

 

[JGalt]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia

The Act also contained a provision that banned the sale of machine guns manufactured after the date of enactment to civilians, restricting sales of these weapons to the military and law enforcement. Thus, in the ensuing years, the limited supply of these arms available to civilians has caused an enormous increase in their price, with most costing in excess of $10,000. Regarding these fully-automatic firearmsowned by private citizens in the U.S., political scientist Earl Kruschke said "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime."[3]:85

The Act mandated that ATF compliance inspections can be done only once per year. An exception to the "once per year" rule exists if multiple record-keeping violations are recorded in an inspection, in which case the ATF may do a follow-up inspection. The main reason for a follow-up inspection would be if guns could not be accounted for.


Ban On New Automatic FirearmsEdit
As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332, which modified the act to ban the civilian ownership of new machine guns, specifically to amend 18 U.S.C. § 922 to add subsection (o):

(o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.

(2) This subsection does not apply with respect to— (A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.
The ATF, as a representative of the U.S. and with authority from the National Firearms Act, can authorize the transfer of a machine gun to an unlicensed civilian. An unlicensed individual may acquire machine guns, with ATF approval.[4] The transferor must file an ATF application, which must be completed by both parties to the transfer:[4]

• executed under penalties of perjury[5]
• both parties must reside in the same state as the individual
• pay a $200 transfer tax to ATF[6]
• the application must include detailed information on the firearm and the parties to the transfer[5][7]
• the transferee must certify on the application that he or she is not disqualified from possessing firearms on grounds specified in law
• the transferee must submit with the application (1) two photographs taken within the past year; and (2) fingerprints[7]
• the transferee must submit with the application (3) a copy of any state or local permit or license required to buy, possess, or acquire machine guns
• an appropriate (local) law enforcement official must certify whether he or she has any information indicating that the firearm will be used for other than lawful purposes or that possession would violate state or federal law[7]
• the transferee must, as part of the registration process, pass an extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal background investigation.[8]

If ATF denies an application, it must refund the tax.[4] Gun owners must keep approved applications as evidence of registration of the firearms and make them available for inspection by ATF officers.[4]


District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and ...
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia

So these weapons were deemed too hazardous to be held by private citizens. These weapons were considered a public safety priority.

Interesting.

That depends on the person and their intent. I've fired full-auto weapons and never had an inclination to commit any crime with a weapon.

 

[Flash]

You want to hear something really stupid?

They passed that really dumbass bump stock ban here in Florida. Idiot!

The wording was such that binary triggers were included.

I have a binary trigger and it is illegal now and I will have to get rid of it.

However, meanwhile my Class III M-16 machine gun is perfectly legal.

Another example of the stupidity of the frigging government. They don't know their head from a hole in the ground for these idiotic laws they passed.

 

[depotoo]

You want to hear something really stupid?

They passed that really dumbass bump stock ban here in Florida. Idiot!

The wording was such that binary triggers were included.

I have a binary trigger and it is illegal now and I will have to get rid of it.

However, meanwhile my Class III M-16 machine gun is perfectly legal.

Another example of the stupidity of the frigging government. They don't know their head from a hole in the ground for these idiotic laws they passed.

Feel good laws that stop nothing

 

[jon_berzerk]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

it will eventually be answered

if millers shotgun was useful to the military

when that gets answered full auto will be much easier to access

 

[Nosmo King]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Prohibition and gangsters. Next!

Public safety.

Interesting precedent.

 

[jon_berzerk]

i know people can still get them if they pay a special tax, register and are willing to shuck out big dollars for one. But why did the federal government put all those infringements in the way of people bearing Thompson sub machine guns and other weapons withma fully automatic firing system? How has that infringement held up against court challenges all these years?

Prohibition and gangsters. Next!

Public safety.

Interesting precedent.

still have gangsters though

who still get full autos

 

[JGalt]

You want to hear something really stupid?

They passed that really dumbass bump stock ban here in Florida. Idiot!

The wording was such that binary triggers were included.

I have a binary trigger and it is illegal now and I will have to get rid of it.

However, meanwhile my Class III M-16 machine gun is perfectly legal.

Another example of the stupidity of the frigging government. They don't know their head from a hole in the ground for these idiotic laws they passed.

Florida's new laws are idiotic. Law-abiding citizens shouldn't be punished for the acts of a few criminals.