Why the U.S. May Be Secretly Cheering a Muslim Brotherhood Run For Egypt's Presidency

[High_Gravity]

What people don't realize in that neck of the woods you have to rule with a iron fist, because of all the crazies in that mixed up country. He protected the Chrisitians, did his best with the economy (the revolt was about a weak economy and its 100 fold worse now than it's ever been), kept the peace with Israel and remained a logical partner of the US!

You are right on all counts, plus Mubarak didn't attack and invade his neighbors like Saddam, and also didn't tolerate terrorism in his country, as far as that part of the world thats about as good as your going to get, Egypt will miss Mubarak, trust me.

Mubarak exiled ayman al-zawahiri who has been the brains behind al qaeda.

Well if the Salafists win power, Al Zawihiri could return home to a heroes welcome.

 

[JStone]

You are right on all counts, plus Mubarak didn't attack and invade his neighbors like Saddam, and also didn't tolerate terrorism in his country, as far as that part of the world thats about as good as your going to get, Egypt will miss Mubarak, trust me.

Mubarak exiled ayman al-zawahiri who has been the brains behind al qaeda.

Well if the Salafists win power, Al Zawihiri could return home to a heroes welcome.

Tru dat. He is a respected physician [bin laden's personal physician] from a prominent egyptian family, jailed by and ultimately exiled by mubarak.

 

[High_Gravity]

Mubarak exiled ayman al-zawahiri who has been the brains behind al qaeda.

Well if the Salafists win power, Al Zawihiri could return home to a heroes welcome.

Tru dat. He is a respected physician [bin laden's personal physician] from a prominent egyptian family, jailed by and ultimately exiled by mubarak.

He's probably counting the days until he can return to his homeland, that may happen in the near future at the rate the Egyptians are going.

 

[JStone]

Well if the Salafists win power, Al Zawihiri could return home to a heroes welcome.

Tru dat. He is a respected physician [bin laden's personal physician] from a prominent egyptian family, jailed by and ultimately exiled by mubarak.

He's probably counting the days until he can return to his homeland, that may happen in the near future at the rate the Egyptians are going.

Jihadist Homecoming!

 

[waltky]

Ummmm - Nah!...

Egypt has second thoughts on Muslim Brotherhood
4 Apr.`12 – Relaxing in a vast outdoor cafe, Ahmed Awes puffed on a flavored smoke as many others here do and voiced his remorse over voting for the Muslim Brotherhood in recent parliamentary elections.

"The main reason I don't support the Brotherhood anymore is because they say something and do something else," says Awes, who fixes air conditioners for a living, his skin rough and aged. That something was the Muslim Brotherhood's announcement that it will run a candidate for president despite a vow during the parliamentary elections that it would not. Egyptians overwhelmingly supported the Brotherhood in those elections, but some express hesitation about handing total control of their government to the party by giving it the presidency in elections slated for May. The reaction of Awes and others who voted for the Brotherhood is a sign that some Egyptians are not yet sold on the party as the answer to all of the country's ills, and are wary of concentrating power in one group following a 30-year dictatorship.

Uncertainty about the Brotherhood, whose Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) is one of two strong Islamist groups dominating parliament, could be found recently among many patrons in crowded tea shops and the cafes where tobacco is smoked from water pipes known as shisha. "We don't understand their intentions anymore," says Mahmoud Youssef, a tailor, drinking tea and playing cards on his day off in the Abdeen neighborhood. Mahmoud voted for the FJP in winter's parliamentary election but no longer trusts them. Still, he says, the party has the right like any other to control the presidency and parliament.

'Genuine politics' plays out

During parliamentary elections, the FJP's vow not to run for the presidency was meant to reassure voters that the hated one-party state of former president Hosni Mubarak would not be followed by another one-party state of Islamists. The FJP already controls the Senate and parliament, and have used its majority to appoint supporters of Islamic law to a committee that will write Egypt's new constitution. Nominating former party deputy chairman Khairat Al-Shater to run for president was necessary to "uphold the homeland's higher national interests," the Brotherhood said on its website. "The Brotherhood, therefore, undertakes to bear the historical responsibility of achieving the objectives of the Egyptian revolution, which impressed the whole world, so this homeland should never turn back," it said.

Three Brotherhood leaders quit this week in protest over Shater's nomination, press reports said. But not all Egyptians criticize the group for modifying its position. "Every party has the freedom to select whomever they want, to back their party, and pick a presidential candidate," says Alaa Al-Din at a cafe in al-Borsa, Cairo's Stock Exchange, though he intends to vote for a Shater rival. Experts say the political intrigue and griping it has inspired is normal for a people who have been under dictatorship for decades. "Egypt is having genuine politics for the first time in three generations," said Jon Alterman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The Brotherhood has said it needs to control the executive as well as the legislative branch to enact reforms that may not be endorsed by Egypt's military, a powerful player in the economy and justice system that has run Egypt since Mubarak's ouster. But the move risks loss of support, some say. "The image of the Brotherhood is changing right now, and I think people will start to rethink about the Brotherhood as an honest movement," said Khalil Al-Anani, political Islam expert of Durham University. "They didn't follow through on their promise."

Economic undertow

 

[Ropey]

Well from reading the article, the Salafi movement is gaining ground in Egypt. Those clowns want to build a system with Religious figures running the show like in Iran and they want to scrap all the peace treaties with Israel, the Brotherhood is basically being used as an alternative and a buffer to keep the Salafis from taking the Presidency because as it looks right now, the Egyptians want to go in a more Islamic direction, the Brotherhood are a better alternative than the Salafis.

Salafists are bad news, they're the purists who interpret islimic doctrine literally, such as the mandate to commit jihad [holy warfare] against the non-muslime world in order to establish a global islimic state [caliphate] governed by islimic law [shariah] and ruled by islimc rulers.

Like this shit
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUVxxjuK-JI]Jihad: Muslims Will Conquer Rome - Islam Will Rule the World - YouTube[/ame]

Yup exactly, they follow the same doctrine as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, just the fact that these guys are gaining popularity in Egypt is not a good sign.

One must work within the constraints of reality and the reality is that the MB is a better option than the Salafists.

Groups
Salafist jihadists groups include Al Qaeda, the now defunct Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA)[3] and prior to 2009, Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. According to Mohammed M. Hafez, "as of 2006 the two major groups within the jihadi Salafi camp" in Iraq were the Mujahidin Shura Council and the Ansar al Sunna Group.[4] There are also a number of small jihadist Salafist groups in Azerbaijan.[9] Jund Ansar Allah is, or was, an armed Salafist jihadist organization in the Gaza Strip. On August 14, 2009, the group's spiritual leader, Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa, announced during Friday sermon the establishment of an Islamic emirate in the Palestinian territories attacking the ruling authority, the Islamist group Hamas, for failing to enforce Sharia law. Hamas forces responded to his sermon by surrounding his Ibn Taymiyya mosque complex and attacking it. In the fighting that ensued, 24 people (including Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa himself), were killed and over 130 were wounded.[10]

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JStone]

Salafists are bad news, they're the purists who interpret islimic doctrine literally, such as the mandate to commit jihad [holy warfare] against the non-muslime world in order to establish a global islimic state [caliphate] governed by islimic law [shariah] and ruled by islimc rulers.

Like this shit
Jihad: Muslims Will Conquer Rome - Islam Will Rule the World - YouTube

Yup exactly, they follow the same doctrine as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, just the fact that these guys are gaining popularity in Egypt is not a good sign.

One must work within the constraints of reality and the reality is that the MB is a better option than the Salafists.

Groups
Salafist jihadists groups include Al Qaeda, the now defunct Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA)[3] and prior to 2009, Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. According to Mohammed M. Hafez, "as of 2006 the two major groups within the jihadi Salafi camp" in Iraq were the Mujahidin Shura Council and the Ansar al Sunna Group.[4] There are also a number of small jihadist Salafist groups in Azerbaijan.[9] Jund Ansar Allah is, or was, an armed Salafist jihadist organization in the Gaza Strip. On August 14, 2009, the group's spiritual leader, Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa, announced during Friday sermon the establishment of an Islamic emirate in the Palestinian territories attacking the ruling authority, the Islamist group Hamas, for failing to enforce Sharia law. Hamas forces responded to his sermon by surrounding his Ibn Taymiyya mosque complex and attacking it. In the fighting that ensued, 24 people (including Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa himself), were killed and over 130 were wounded.[10]

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, no. "MB" is the parent of al qaeda.

Now, you know

 

[Ropey]

Yup exactly, they follow the same doctrine as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, just the fact that these guys are gaining popularity in Egypt is not a good sign.

One must work within the constraints of reality and the reality is that the MB is a better option than the Salafists.

Groups
Salafist jihadists groups include Al Qaeda, the now defunct Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA)[3] and prior to 2009, Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. According to Mohammed M. Hafez, "as of 2006 the two major groups within the jihadi Salafi camp" in Iraq were the Mujahidin Shura Council and the Ansar al Sunna Group.[4] There are also a number of small jihadist Salafist groups in Azerbaijan.[9] Jund Ansar Allah is, or was, an armed Salafist jihadist organization in the Gaza Strip. On August 14, 2009, the group's spiritual leader, Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa, announced during Friday sermon the establishment of an Islamic emirate in the Palestinian territories attacking the ruling authority, the Islamist group Hamas, for failing to enforce Sharia law. Hamas forces responded to his sermon by surrounding his Ibn Taymiyya mosque complex and attacking it. In the fighting that ensued, 24 people (including Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa himself), were killed and over 130 were wounded.[10]

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, no. "MB" is the parent of al qaeda.

Now, you know

Well, yeah, it's a lesser of evils. And you want the Salafists?

No, you don't want them either. You want them all gone.

Go into the room with PF.

 

[Jroc]

Salafists are bad news, they're the purists who interpret islimic doctrine literally, such as the mandate to commit jihad [holy warfare] against the non-muslime world in order to establish a global islimic state [caliphate] governed by islimic law [shariah] and ruled by islimc rulers.

Like this shit
Jihad: Muslims Will Conquer Rome - Islam Will Rule the World - YouTube

Yup exactly, they follow the same doctrine as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, just the fact that these guys are gaining popularity in Egypt is not a good sign.

One must work within the constraints of reality and the reality is that the MB is a better option than the Salafists.

Groups
Salafist jihadists groups include Al Qaeda, the now defunct Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA)[3] and prior to 2009, Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. According to Mohammed M. Hafez, "as of 2006 the two major groups within the jihadi Salafi camp" in Iraq were the Mujahidin Shura Council and the Ansar al Sunna Group.[4] There are also a number of small jihadist Salafist groups in Azerbaijan.[9] Jund Ansar Allah is, or was, an armed Salafist jihadist organization in the Gaza Strip. On August 14, 2009, the group's spiritual leader, Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa, announced during Friday sermon the establishment of an Islamic emirate in the Palestinian territories attacking the ruling authority, the Islamist group Hamas, for failing to enforce Sharia law. Hamas forces responded to his sermon by surrounding his Ibn Taymiyya mosque complex and attacking it. In the fighting that ensued, 24 people (including Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa himself), were killed and over 130 were wounded.[10]

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better to leave the military in charge. Screw all these islamist whack jobs. Don’t you think Ropey that both of those will continue to let arms flow to Hamas? They both have the same goals, one is just a little more discreet than the other.

 

[Ropey]

Yup exactly, they follow the same doctrine as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, just the fact that these guys are gaining popularity in Egypt is not a good sign.

One must work within the constraints of reality and the reality is that the MB is a better option than the Salafists.

Groups
Salafist jihadists groups include Al Qaeda, the now defunct Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA)[3] and prior to 2009, Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. According to Mohammed M. Hafez, "as of 2006 the two major groups within the jihadi Salafi camp" in Iraq were the Mujahidin Shura Council and the Ansar al Sunna Group.[4] There are also a number of small jihadist Salafist groups in Azerbaijan.[9] Jund Ansar Allah is, or was, an armed Salafist jihadist organization in the Gaza Strip. On August 14, 2009, the group's spiritual leader, Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa, announced during Friday sermon the establishment of an Islamic emirate in the Palestinian territories attacking the ruling authority, the Islamist group Hamas, for failing to enforce Sharia law. Hamas forces responded to his sermon by surrounding his Ibn Taymiyya mosque complex and attacking it. In the fighting that ensued, 24 people (including Sheikh Abdel Latif Moussa himself), were killed and over 130 were wounded.[10]

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better to leave the military in charge. Screw all these islamist whack jobs. Don’t you think Ropey that both of those will continue to let arms flow to Hamas? They both have the same goals, one is just a little more discreet than the other.

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

 

[Jroc]

One must work within the constraints of reality and the reality is that the MB is a better option than the Salafists.



Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better to leave the military in charge. Screw all these islamist whack jobs. Don’t you think Ropey that both of those will continue to let arms flow to Hamas? They both have the same goals, one is just a little more discreet than the other.

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

 

[Ropey]

Better to leave the military in charge. Screw all these islamist whack jobs. Don’t you think Ropey that both of those will continue to let arms flow to Hamas? They both have the same goals, one is just a little more discreet than the other.

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

If you say so. You keep looking at how well things might turn out if and I'll keep looking at what is being done right at this moment.

 

[Ropey]

^^ Likely this is the difference between the old and young Jroc.

If I have much hope then it rests on the young.

 

[JStone]

Better to leave the military in charge. Screw all these islamist whack jobs. Don’t you think Ropey that both of those will continue to let arms flow to Hamas? They both have the same goals, one is just a little more discreet than the other.

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

It's ok, you can say muslim instead of the politically correct islamist. CAIR doesn't know your identity. Muslim is merely Arabic for he who has submitted to allah which is the objective of islime.

 

[High_Gravity]

Better to leave the military in charge. Screw all these islamist whack jobs. Don’t you think Ropey that both of those will continue to let arms flow to Hamas? They both have the same goals, one is just a little more discreet than the other.

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

I don't think most Egyptians want to go the secular route, because if they did the Salafists wouldn't have so much support.

 

[JStone]

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

I don't think most Egyptians want to go the secular route, because if they did the Salafists wouldn't have so much support.

Today's Egyptians really have no Egyptian identity. They identify as mooslims. Arab mooslims invaded Egypt thousands of years after the ancient Egyptians built their once-great civilization.

 

[High_Gravity]

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

I don't think most Egyptians want to go the secular route, because if they did the Salafists wouldn't have so much support.

Today's Egyptians really have no Egyptian identity. They identify as mooslims. Arab mooslims invaded Egypt thousands of years after the ancient Egyptians built their once-great civilization.

Egypt went backwards ever since.

 

[Katzndogz]

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

I don't think most Egyptians want to go the secular route, because if they did the Salafists wouldn't have so much support.

You would be absolutely correct.

 

[Jroc]

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

It's ok, you can say muslim instead of the politically correct islamist. CAIR doesn't know your identity. Muslim is merely Arabic for he who has submitted to allah which is the objective of islime.

islamist to me means people who want to spread islam that’s all." politically correct" I am not, and I don’t capitalize any of those for a reason

 

[Jroc]

It's not going to happen Jroc. The military do not have the people behind them anymore. It's a pipe dream to think that Egypt will go back to Mubarak style days or a Military Autocracy.

Yes, we can pretend what would be better, but it's not in the cards Jroc.

it's not going to end well with either of those islamist parties in charge...the elections can be put off for a while so the secular parties can organize

I don't think most Egyptians want to go the secular route, because if they did the Salafists wouldn't have so much support.

Well maybe, I don't believe a majority want sharia law though. There are 10 million Christians there I’m sure they could side with those who want a secular government and they could be powerful in the new government in theory anyway