Why the Arabs will eventually win

[Roudy]

So those in the Muslim world who murder people because of their religious beliefs are brave?? Gee, I never thought of it that way. Meanwhile, can you tell us what is brave hiding behind your children as is done in the Arab world. Please don't tell me this isn't done. My husband saw this in an Arab country. There was some kind of protest, the government sent in a couple of tanks, and the men were in the back, the women in the middle and the children in front. The men were firing over the heads of the women and children. Those in the tanks didn't seem to care who was out there; they just fired.

Bravery means engaging in dangerous behavior for a cause or the welfare of another, without considering the dangers to yourself.

That's all it means.

WRONG another massive fail. What you describe is fanaticism of the brainwashed horde. Bravery is knowing when to step back and allow the fanatics to commit suicide.

"No bastard ever won a war dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country"

George S. Patton

 

[Billo_Really]

They weren't mythical. They were real and part of the historical record.

You do understand the difference between "mythical" and "real", right?

The "mythical", was more in reference to the diaspora, which never happened.

 

[Billo_Really]

It was never their land, PCP Boy. Land hasn't been in Arab hands for the last 700 years. Keep up.

Indigenous arabs have been living there for the past 2000 years, dumbass!

 

[Phoenall]

Without any immigration, the Arab population in Israel has grown from 156,000 to almost 2 million, in 65 years.

Looks like a victory to me.

The evidence shows that there has been massive amounts of migration into Palestine, and your figures are way of the mark.

In 1948 there were about 1.35 million arabs in Palestine, the mandate government suggests that 45,000 illegal arab immigrants entered Palestine. The numbers of Palestinians shows that there were about 736,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs in the part of Palestine that was to become "Green Line Israel" in 1949. There would not have been more than 620,000 refugees in 1949 if these figures are correct, since the Israeli census showed 156,000 non-Jews living in Palestine in November 1948, of whom about 14,000 were Druze.
The number of refugees reported by UNRWA in 1948 was 726,000. It might indicate that an unregistered and illegal population of 100,000 was included in the refugees.
There are serious discrepancies in reporting of the number of refugees. In 1949, UNRWA reported 726,000 refugees. By 1950 they reported 914,000 according to one source (McCarthy), an increase of 26% that could not come either from births or further displacement of refugees, which were negligible.


Looks like a massive fail to me by all concerned.

 

[Statistikhengst]

They weren't mythical. They were real and part of the historical record.

You do understand the difference between "mythical" and "real", right?

The "mythical", was more in reference to the diaspora, which never happened.

Wrong.

 

[Phoenall]

The Arabs will eventually win this conflict?

Why?

Not just because of their much higher natural growth rate as compared to Jews.

But because the Arabs would rather die, literally die, than give up the land.

They would sacrifice everything they have, everything they own, for the land.

The Jews? Not so much. The Jews care about their jobs, their cars, their nice houses.

The Arabs? They care about pride and justice more than anything else.

That's why they will in the end, win.

They may not win for 20...40....60 years. But they will win.

Yes, we keep hearing the same crap, that the Jews are going to eventually lose blah blah. Im certain in 60 years from no, we'll be hearing the same drek.

You're underestimating the patriotism of Israelis. Israel will do WHATEVER it takes to make sure they have possession forever, NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES.

AM ISRAEL CHAI

Toast this is the process of Attrition:

Attrition warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Military theorists and strategists like Sun Tzu have viewed attrition warfare as something to be avoided. In the sense that attrition warfare represents an attempt to grind down an opponent through superior numbers, it represents the opposite of the usual principles of war, where one attempts to achieve decisive victories by using minimal necessary resources and in minimal amount of time, through maneuver, concentration of force, surprise, and the like.

On the other hand, a side which perceives itself to be at a marked disadvantage in maneuver warfare or unit tactics may deliberately seek out attrition warfare to neutralize its opponent's advantages. If the sides are nearly evenly matched, the outcome of a war of attrition is likely to be a Pyrrhic victory.

The difference between war of attrition and other forms of war is somewhat artificial, since war always contains an element of attrition. However, one can be said to pursue a strategy of attrition when one makes it the main goal to cause gradual attrition to the opponent eventually amounting to unacceptable or unsustainable levels for the opponent while limiting one's own gradual losses to acceptable and sustainable levels. This should be seen as opposed to other main goals such as the conquest of some resource or territory or an attempt to cause the enemy great losses in a single stroke (e.g., by encirclement and capture).

Historically, attritional methods are tried when other methods have failed or are obviously not feasible. Typically, when attritional methods have worn down the enemy sufficiently to make other methods feasible, attritional methods are abandoned in favor of other strategies. In World War I, improvements in firepower but not communications and mobility forced military commanders to rely on attrition, with terrible loss of life.

Attritional methods are in themselves usually sufficient to cause a nation to give up a non-vital ambition, but other methods are generally necessary to achieve unconditional surrender

And it works both ways if allowed. The Israelis just need to keep the blockade on and the occupation and the arabs will be worn down by just living every day.

 

[Phoenall]

Isn't it nice how others prefer to live regardless of what they have in life --

I can say the same thing about jews and their "so-called" ancestral homeland.

"Isn't it nice how others prefer to live regardless of "where" they have in life".

What's the big ******* deal about coming back to the mythical lands of the diaspora?

You like to trash others about their passions in life, well, yours ain't that hot, either, little missy.

from the poorest person to the richest, but the Arabs are looking forward to that brothel in Paradise where they will be waited on hand and foot by those beautiful houris. That is why you see the Muslims in many parts of the world blowing themselves up (of course taking innocent others along with them) to attain this Paradise. What kind of pride is it that keeps your own people in misery for years and years instead of getting on with life. As for justice, why don't the Muslims give back the land that they took from others -- such as the Copts, the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, etc.?

Why don't you give back the land you took from them?

Could it be that people like you with your ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATREDS would not let the Jews settle in the lands that you stole from their rightful owners. So when they were offered the chance of their old homeland back they jumped at it.

Why don't you lead by example and give back yours ?

 

[Phoenall]

Isn't it nice how others prefer to live regardless of what they have in life --

I can say the same thing about jews and their "so-called" ancestral homeland.

"Isn't it nice how others prefer to live regardless of "where" they have in life".

What's the big ******* deal about coming back to the mythical lands of the diaspora?

You like to trash others about their passions in life, well, yours ain't that hot, either, little missy.

from the poorest person to the richest, but the Arabs are looking forward to that brothel in Paradise where they will be waited on hand and foot by those beautiful houris. That is why you see the Muslims in many parts of the world blowing themselves up (of course taking innocent others along with them) to attain this Paradise. What kind of pride is it that keeps your own people in misery for years and years instead of getting on with life. As for justice, why don't the Muslims give back the land that they took from others -- such as the Copts, the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, etc.?

Why don't you give back the land you took from them?

It was never their land, PCP Boy. Land hasn't been in Arab hands for the last 700 years. Keep up.

I believe they lost the holy land in about 1012 C.E and never regained it, so a gap of 1,000 years during which the Jews lived, worked and owned the land

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arabs will eventually win this conflict?

Why?

Not just because of their much higher natural growth rate as compared to Jews.

But because the Arabs would rather die, literally die, than give up the land.

They would sacrifice everything they have, everything they own, for the land.

The Jews? Not so much. The Jews care about their jobs, their cars, their nice houses.

The Arabs? They care about pride and justice more than anything else.

That's why they will in the end, win.

They may not win for 20...40....60 years. But they will win.

Keep dreaming Abdul. It's no longer quantity but QUALITY that matters. Besides, Muslims / Arabs are cowards. They got their butts kicked so many times, they refuse to fight another army and be in uniform, so the garbage of humanity aka Islamists are now resorting to terrorism and targeting innocent, unsuspecting unarmed civilians all over the world.

True story.

What uniform should they don? They have no army. They are just civilians defending their country.

 

[Roudy]

It was never their land, PCP Boy. Land hasn't been in Arab hands for the last 700 years. Keep up.

Indigenous arabs have been living there for the past 2000 years, dumbass!

2000 years? Now we really know you're crashing from the PCP. Go back to school. Arabs didn't start invading and raping other lands and people until their terrorist Saudi Arabian prophet appeared on the world scene 1400 years ago.

That whole region was Ottoman Turk territory for 600 years up to the early 1900's when the British took over. So again, the land was never "Arab land" for about 700 years.

 

[Roudy]

The Arabs will eventually win this conflict?

Why?

Not just because of their much higher natural growth rate as compared to Jews.

But because the Arabs would rather die, literally die, than give up the land.

They would sacrifice everything they have, everything they own, for the land.

The Jews? Not so much. The Jews care about their jobs, their cars, their nice houses.

The Arabs? They care about pride and justice more than anything else.

That's why they will in the end, win.

They may not win for 20...40....60 years. But they will win.

Keep dreaming Abdul. It's no longer quantity but QUALITY that matters. Besides, Muslims / Arabs are cowards. They got their butts kicked so many times, they refuse to fight another army and be in uniform, so the garbage of humanity aka Islamists are now resorting to terrorism and targeting innocent, unsuspecting unarmed civilians all over the world.

True story.

What uniform should they don? They have no army. They are just civilians defending their country.

Stop bullshitting, Tinmore. Hamas has a terrorist army and a military wing and can easily wear uniforms, just as their police do, but won't because the terrorist animals don't want to be identified. They are cowards plain and simple. Arabs are good at targeting unsuspecting civilians in hit and run operations. They wear masks and civilian clothing and use their own women and children as human shields.

True story.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was never their land, PCP Boy. Land hasn't been in Arab hands for the last 700 years. Keep up.

Indigenous arabs have been living there for the past 2000 years, dumbass!

2000 years? Now we really know you're crashing from the PCP. Go back to school. Arabs didn't start invading and raping other lands and people until their terrorist Saudi Arabian prophet appeared on the world scene 1400 years ago.

That whole region was Ottoman Turk territory for 600 years up to the early 1900's when the British took over. So again, the land was never "Arab land" for about 700 years.

Are you saying that whenever a new flag is raised over city hall the entire population moves out and an entirely new population moves in?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Keep dreaming Abdul. It's no longer quantity but QUALITY that matters. Besides, Muslims / Arabs are cowards. They got their butts kicked so many times, they refuse to fight another army and be in uniform, so the garbage of humanity aka Islamists are now resorting to terrorism and targeting innocent, unsuspecting unarmed civilians all over the world.

True story.

What uniform should they don? They have no army. They are just civilians defending their country.

Stop bullshitting, Tinmore. Hamas has a terrorist army and a military wing and can easily wear uniforms, just as their police do, but won't because the terrorist animals don't want to be identified. They are cowards plain and simple. Arabs are good at targeting unsuspecting civilians in hit and run operations. They wear masks and civilian clothing and use their own women and children as human shields.

True story.

Blah, blah, blah, same old Israeli bullcrap.

 

[Roudy]

Indigenous arabs have been living there for the past 2000 years, dumbass!

2000 years? Now we really know you're crashing from the PCP. Go back to school. Arabs didn't start invading and raping other lands and people until their terrorist Saudi Arabian prophet appeared on the world scene 1400 years ago.

That whole region was Ottoman Turk territory for 600 years up to the early 1900's when the British took over. So again, the land was never "Arab land" for about 700 years.

Are you saying that whenever a new flag is raised over city hall the entire population moves out and an entirely new population moves in?

I am saying there were no "Arabs" in the region until a few hundred years after Mohammad died 1400 years ago, and his followers decided to invade and conquer Jerusalem. The history is indisputable. Arabs were invaders from the very beginning.

 

[Roudy]

What uniform should they don? They have no army. They are just civilians defending their country.

Stop bullshitting, Tinmore. Hamas has a terrorist army and a military wing and can easily wear uniforms, just as their police do, but won't because the terrorist animals don't want to be identified. They are cowards plain and simple. Arabs are good at targeting unsuspecting civilians in hit and run operations. They wear masks and civilian clothing and use their own women and children as human shields.

True story.

Blah, blah, blah, same old Israeli bullcrap.

Tinmore is loosing it because he can't admit that Hamas has an army of terrorists. Ha ha ha.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Stop bullshitting, Tinmore. Hamas has a terrorist army and a military wing and can easily wear uniforms, just as their police do, but won't because the terrorist animals don't want to be identified. They are cowards plain and simple. Arabs are good at targeting unsuspecting civilians in hit and run operations. They wear masks and civilian clothing and use their own women and children as human shields.

True story.

Blah, blah, blah, same old Israeli bullcrap.

Tinmore is loosing it because he can't admit that Hamas has an army of terrorists. Ha ha ha.

Palestine has no army.

They are all civilians.

 

[toastman]

What uniform should they don? They have no army. They are just civilians defending their country.

Stop bullshitting, Tinmore. Hamas has a terrorist army and a military wing and can easily wear uniforms, just as their police do, but won't because the terrorist animals don't want to be identified. They are cowards plain and simple. Arabs are good at targeting unsuspecting civilians in hit and run operations. They wear masks and civilian clothing and use their own women and children as human shields.

True story.

Blah, blah, blah, same old Israeli bullcrap.

What did he say that's not true??
Hamas are not civilians, they are military targets. Also, what specifically have they done to defend their 'country'?

 

[toastman]

Blah, blah, blah, same old Israeli bullcrap.

Tinmore is loosing it because he can't admit that Hamas has an army of terrorists. Ha ha ha.

Palestine has no army.

They are all civilians.

Terrorists are not considered civilians. You can play the victim card all you want and try to make all Palestinians look innocent but ALL OF HAMAS and ALL OF ISLAMIC JIHAD are military targets.

Your constant parotting of Palestinian propaganda wont change anything

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tinmore is loosing it because he can't admit that Hamas has an army of terrorists. Ha ha ha.

Palestine has no army.

They are all civilians.

Terrorists are not considered civilians. You can play the victim card all you want and try to make all Palestinians look innocent but ALL OF HAMAS and ALL OF ISLAMIC JIHAD are military targets.

Your constant parotting of Palestinian propaganda wont change anything

And citizens of an occupying power are not considered civilians either.

BTW, where does it say that terrorists are not considered civilians?

 

[toastman]

Palestine has no army.

They are all civilians.

Terrorists are not considered civilians. You can play the victim card all you want and try to make all Palestinians look innocent but ALL OF HAMAS and ALL OF ISLAMIC JIHAD are military targets.

Your constant parotting of Palestinian propaganda wont change anything

And citizens of an occupying power are not considered civilians either.

BTW, where does it say that terrorists are not considered civilians?

Except, Im talking about Israel proper where there is no occupation. Thats not how it works. Are you saying when German occupied Poland, that German civilians were not civilians?