Why Is Socialism Doing So Darn Well in Deep-Red North Dakota?

[jon_berzerk]

The population of ND is 699,628 hardly a suburb of NYC. So to compare how 330,000,000 million live together to that of a very small and spread out people is really, really idiotic.

what is idiotic freewill

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Sarah Palin is a socialist. She taxed the big oil and pipeline companies in Alaska, took the money and gave every Alaskan a check for $1200. Don't believe me?

FactCheck.org : Sarah Palin?s Accomplishments

The Alaska Legislature adopted a plan proposed by Palin in 2007 (Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share) that raised the tax that oil companies have to pay on their profits from a base rate of 22.5 percent to 25 percent. Oil companies, including ExxonMobil, opposed the tax hike, claiming it would affect their project investments. The revenue generated from the tax increase, which significantly added to the state’s budget surplus, allowed Palin’s administration to issue a one time "resource rebate" of $1,200 to eligible state residents in 2008 to help with increasing energy prices. The rebate came in addition to the annual dividend check ($2,069 in 2008) that residents receive as their part of the state’s oil wealth. Whether this classifies as making residents "filthy rich" is a matter of opinion, though. Palin got the idea from a Republican legislator, according to the Anchorage Daily News:

Anchorage Daily News, Aug. 8, 2008: It was Palin, after all, who last month proposed that lawmakers pay out a $1,200 resource rebate as a way for the state to share some of its multibillion-dollar oil revenue surplus with Alaska residents.

The idea for a people’s payment, however, originated in January with Haines Republican Rep. Bill Thomas, a commercial fisherman who suggested a $1,000 rebate, saying he was moved by a legally blind and diabetic friend forced to cut firewood for lack of money to buy heating fuel.

 

[Freewill]

By Les Leopold

North Dakota's thriving state bank makes a mockery of Wall Street's casino banking system -- and that's why financial elites want to crush it.

North Dakota is the very definition of a red state. It voted 58 percent to 39 percent for Romney over Obama, and its statehouse and senate have a total of 104 Republicans and only 47 Democrats. The Republican super-majority is so conservative it recently passed the nation's most severe anti-abortion resolution – a measure that declares a fertilized human egg has the same right to life as a fully formed person.

But North Dakota is also red in another sense: it fully supports its state-owned Bank of North Dakota (BND), a socialist relic that exists nowhere else in America. Why is financial socialism still alive in North Dakota? Why haven't the North Dakotan free-market crusaders slain it dead?

Because it works.

Much More: Why Is Socialism Doing So Darn Well in Deep-Red North Dakota? | Alternet

PA, a blue state, own and operates all liqueur stores.

Wasn't dems that wanted people to be free?





in other words; you're an idiot for not doing some research


again

PA is interesting, it actually has a Republican governor and Republicans control the house and senate. Yet the vote went to Obama. That is why I think the election was fixed.

The liquor stores are a throw back to prohibition, they will eventually be turned private but putting government employees out of work is a hard thing to do. They only live because there is no competition. If the state allowed for private sale then the state owned liquor stores would go out of business, fast.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

You can get a job in NoDak right now with nothing more than a demonstratable pulse. It doesn't even have to be a normal one. That's all good. Fracking may end up poisoning the water after the boom is over, but for now it's high times in one of the most forlorn and uninteresting states in the union.

 

[Freewill]

Sarah Palin is a socialist. She taxed the big oil and pipeline companies in Alaska, took the money and gave every Alaskan a check for $1200. Don't believe me?

FactCheck.org : Sarah Palin?s Accomplishments

The Alaska Legislature adopted a plan proposed by Palin in 2007 (Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share) that raised the tax that oil companies have to pay on their profits from a base rate of 22.5 percent to 25 percent. Oil companies, including ExxonMobil, opposed the tax hike, claiming it would affect their project investments. The revenue generated from the tax increase, which significantly added to the state’s budget surplus, allowed Palin’s administration to issue a one time "resource rebate" of $1,200 to eligible state residents in 2008 to help with increasing energy prices. The rebate came in addition to the annual dividend check ($2,069 in 2008) that residents receive as their part of the state’s oil wealth. Whether this classifies as making residents "filthy rich" is a matter of opinion, though. Palin got the idea from a Republican legislator, according to the Anchorage Daily News:

Anchorage Daily News, Aug. 8, 2008: It was Palin, after all, who last month proposed that lawmakers pay out a $1,200 resource rebate as a way for the state to share some of its multibillion-dollar oil revenue surplus with Alaska residents.

The idea for a people’s payment, however, originated in January with Haines Republican Rep. Bill Thomas, a commercial fisherman who suggested a $1,000 rebate, saying he was moved by a legally blind and diabetic friend forced to cut firewood for lack of money to buy heating fuel.

What palin did is not the defintion of Socialism. Having companies pay for the profit of what they take and use in a state is not socialism it is doing what is right. Now if the state took the money and kept it you might have a point.

 

[whitehall]

It's refreshing that the radicals finally admit their agenda is socialism. I don't recall the state owned bank of ND being a shining example of banking success but it's OK with me.

 

[Freewill]

The population of ND is 699,628 hardly a suburb of NYC. So to compare how 330,000,000 million live together to that of a very small and spread out people is really, really idiotic.

what is idiotic freewill

Could you make that into an English statement so maybe I could respond? Thanks.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The population of ND is 699,628 hardly a suburb of NYC. So to compare how 330,000,000 million live together to that of a very small and spread out people is really, really idiotic.

what is idiotic freewill

Could you make that into an English statement so maybe I could respond? Thanks.

i do not know what you meant

by something is idiotic

what is idiotic

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

This is idiotic - but true..........

 

[Freewill]

This is idiotic - but true..........

OK, I didn't understand what you were asking or if you were asking anything. So I will answer you statement as if you wrote it like this Freewill, what is idiotic about the comparision?

Comparing small groups of people and trying to say that they are an example to a large diverse people is idiotic in my opinion. Kind of saying you run your house a certain way so the city you live in should do the same.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Meanwhile, real Democrat run Socialism continues the inexorable decline of CA, NY, IL and has brought down entire US cities

You forgot the other socialists, Republicans, who also pollute Washingstan, DC.

You're not making a lick of sense

 

[jon_berzerk]

This is idiotic - but true..........

OK, I didn't understand what you were asking or if you were asking anything. So I will answer you statement as if you wrote it like this Freewill, what is idiotic about the comparision?

Comparing small groups of people and trying to say that they are an example to a large diverse people is idiotic in my opinion. Kind of saying you run your house a certain way so the city you live in should do the same.

it is not idiotic at all

it is about the amount of liberty or freewill one has

living in one place or another

the yearly study takes many things into consideration


which ranks the states based on public policies affecting

economic

social

and personal freedoms

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Meanwhile, real Democrat run Socialism continues the inexorable decline of CA, NY, IL and has brought down entire US cities

You forgot the other socialists, Republicans, who also pollute Washingstan, DC.

You're not making a lick of sense

Dig deeper and pay attention. It makes perfect sense. America didn't get all of its socialistic programs at the behest of one party.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You forgot the other socialists, Republicans, who also pollute Washingstan, DC.

You're not making a lick of sense

Dig deeper and pay attention. It makes perfect sense. America didn't get all of its socialistic programs at the behest of one party.

Sure it did.

With the exception of Medicare D, it was all Demoicrat

 

[zeke]

This is idiotic - but true..........

OK, I didn't understand what you were asking or if you were asking anything. So I will answer you statement as if you wrote it like this Freewill, what is idiotic about the comparision?

Comparing small groups of people and trying to say that they are an example to a large diverse people is idiotic in my opinion. Kind of saying you run your house a certain way so the city you live in should do the same.

So, you are not familiar with statistical polling? You know, where maybe a couple thousand people are polled and then their answeres are extrapolated? This method is used quite frequently by most of the polling organizations. And quite accurate.

Except when rethugs are predicting election wins.

 

[regent]

I wonder if Dakota farmers have ever accepted agriculture subsidies or help? Maybe one or two, right?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sarah Palin is a socialist. She taxed the big oil and pipeline companies in Alaska, took the money and gave every Alaskan a check for $1200. Don't believe me?

FactCheck.org : Sarah Palin?s Accomplishments

The Alaska Legislature adopted a plan proposed by Palin in 2007 (Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share) that raised the tax that oil companies have to pay on their profits from a base rate of 22.5 percent to 25 percent. Oil companies, including ExxonMobil, opposed the tax hike, claiming it would affect their project investments. The revenue generated from the tax increase, which significantly added to the state’s budget surplus, allowed Palin’s administration to issue a one time "resource rebate" of $1,200 to eligible state residents in 2008 to help with increasing energy prices. The rebate came in addition to the annual dividend check ($2,069 in 2008) that residents receive as their part of the state’s oil wealth. Whether this classifies as making residents "filthy rich" is a matter of opinion, though. Palin got the idea from a Republican legislator, according to the Anchorage Daily News:

Anchorage Daily News, Aug. 8, 2008: It was Palin, after all, who last month proposed that lawmakers pay out a $1,200 resource rebate as a way for the state to share some of its multibillion-dollar oil revenue surplus with Alaska residents.

The idea for a people’s payment, however, originated in January with Haines Republican Rep. Bill Thomas, a commercial fisherman who suggested a $1,000 rebate, saying he was moved by a legally blind and diabetic friend forced to cut firewood for lack of money to buy heating fuel.

you act likes this is breaking news, Alaska residents were always getting yearly checks for as long as I know.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

You're not making a lick of sense

Dig deeper and pay attention. It makes perfect sense. America didn't get all of its socialistic programs at the behest of one party.

Sure it did.

With the exception of Medicare D, it was all Demoicrat

Books. They're called HISTORY books. In places called libraries. Google and get familiar with books and libraries.

 

[boedicca]

You can get a job in NoDak right now with nothing more than a demonstratable pulse. It doesn't even have to be a normal one. That's all good. Fracking may end up poisoning the water after the boom is over, but for now it's high times in one of the most forlorn and uninteresting states in the union.

Just curious, how much time have you spent in ND and how many people do you know there?

 

[kiwiman127]

Very simple! It is called Laissez-faire (or sometimes laisser-faire) is an economic environment in which transactions between private parties are free from tariffs, government subsidies and if it works for them God bless em!

The issue is does socialism work FOR EVERYONE. History has pointed out there has never been as successful society as the USA which is NOT a socialistic based economy. No one every said socialism wouldn't work. It works in small closed environments but will NOT work in
50 independent states with thousands of independent towns and counties and independent people all standing around waiting for central planners to determine how much we all should pay for gas!
What country is more ethnically diverse, USA, Brazil or South Africa?
1st - USA
2nd - Brazil
3rd - South Africa

Brazil has the largest number of italian, lebanese and japanese descendants and the second largest number of german descendants in the world. USA has the largest number of german descendants. There are almost all nationalities in Brazil,
but USA has even more: philippine, thai, korean, hindustani etc (that kind of nationality is rare in Brazil).

So how can there be any socialism with 310 million people EACH with their own identity and very little national cohesion but greater cohesion
in their homes, cities, counties, state!
No one ever said Socialism doesn't work... but not on the grand scale of the USA!

What bullshit. Socialism is alive and well in the US. In fact, our National Park System is the very definition of socialism, saving the very best and most unique for the enjoyment of all citizens, and it is the crown jewel of our nation. Our BLM and National Forest Systems are also very successful, and have preserved lands that would have otherwise been devastated by unwise use. Social Security has, for the most of us, eliminated the spector of grinding poverty in old age. There are many other examples of socialism on a national scale implemented for a short time in emergencies that worked very well. The WPA, CCCs, REA, and many others that helped build this nation.

Right, because Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, and Cuba are all know for their beautiful National Forests..

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union still exist?
There are 196 countries in the world, all of them use some form of socialism. The US is the least socialistic and like most of the rest of the world, our government has preserved national natural jewels. Call it socialism or call it taking care of God's Earth but such acts are very good for everybody.