Why Germans & Austrians have NEVER HEARD of "The Sound of Music" | Feli from Germany

[zaangalewa]

It achieved my goal.

What was your goal? To be an idiot?

 

[Captain Caveman]

For one thing Germans don't watch a lot of TV.

And most of their entertainment is live music, walking thru the park, or going to beerfests,

My two sons like going to Berlin for the live music. I find live music crap, but they love it, and they both love Berlin. Germany is not on my 'to go to' list.

Generations tend to know stuff as they grow up onwards. They're be a lot of stuff from my parents era that I don't know. The Sound of Music is quite old so the current generation will be sketchy on it.

I remember a contestant on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. The contestant was born in the 90's said, "I'm too young to know that", to a question relating to the 60's. Jeremy Clarkson (the host), quick as a flash said, "I wasn't born in 1066 and I bloody know what happened".

 

[Kruska]

You would think as famous as it is, that Germans and Austrians heard of the Sound of Music.

So Feli from Munich checked it out with her countrymen and others.

How could a famous musical not be known where it supposedly came from?

Well this US movie production was shown in the 60'ies - (AFAIK only in Cinemas and not on TV) Germany at the time even had only ONE or at most TWO TV channels. So how many German or Austrian people nowadays would remember some movie and musical from the 60'ies? that foremost promoted US or Japanese favored - "cliche" Alpine panorama and selected local cultural traits, as a general sales-version of what Germans/Austrians are supposedly like.
Until today this cliche can be observed amongst Americans and Japanese when they cite Germany - basically referencing about BAVARIA.
A state that only accounts for around 15% of Germany's population and culture, whereby more then half of those living in Bavaria - are not Bavarian's by culture nor heritage.

Also the US "message" of a family or persons subjected to harassment by the Nazi's - didn't really echo with Germans/Austrians who had endured Nazi tyranny by themselves, or had even supported that policy.

Furthermore the movie was produced and shown in English - even without German subtitles !!

BTW - the German title wasn't "the Sound of Music" but MEINE LIEDER MEINE TRÄUME and a synchronized version in German was only available from 2005 onward, - due to the movies 40'th anniversary.

Hope that helps

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Best cut from the SOund of Music

 

[Robert W]

They have TV.....but when I was there in the 80s the programming was lousy.

It was more fun to go out an see the sights.

German TV was on at the barracks in a day room. I did not understand the language. So watching it much was not going to happen. I started learning German at an army class but duties kept me from learning it.

 

[Robert W]

Well this US movie production was shown in the 60'ies - (AFAIK only in Cinemas and not on TV) Germany at the time even had only ONE or at most TWO TV channels. So how many German or Austrian people nowadays would remember some movie and musical from the 60'ies? that foremost promoted US or Japanese favored - "cliche" Alpine panorama and selected local cultural traits, as a general sales-version of what Germans/Austrians are supposedly like.
Until today this cliche can be observed amongst Americans and Japanese when they cite Germany - basically referencing about BAVARIA.
A state that only accounts for around 15% of Germany's population and culture, whereby more then half of those living in Bavaria - are not Bavarian's by culture nor heritage.

Also the US "message" of a family or persons subjected to harassment by the Nazi's - didn't really echo with Germans/Austrians who had endured Nazi tyranny by themselves, or had even supported that policy.

Furthermore the movie was produced and shown in English - even without German subtitles !!

BTW - the German title wasn't "the Sound of Music" but MEINE LIEDER MEINE TRÄUME and a synchronized version in German was only available from 2005 onward, - due to the movies 40'th anniversary.

Hope that helps

YES, it seems you watched the video as she told the same story.

 

[Robert W]

Beer in Germany when I lived there was made often in villages. And it depended on the brewery as to the taste. A good comparison now is say Budweiser and Sierra Nevada Pale ale. I spend more on Sierra Nevada pale ale because it is outstanding. I got beer at our EM club and was able to drink it. My favorite Beer in Germany came from Berlin and it was sold there. Schweinfurt Brewery makes a good tasting beer. I believe this is true in Heidelberg. Anyway tastes vary and some of their beers I was not willing to buy.

 

[Robert W]

Beer in Germany when I lived there was made often in villages. And it depended on the brewery as to the taste. A good comparison now is say Budweiser and Sierra Nevada Pale ale. I spend more on Sierra Nevada pale ale because it is outstanding. I got beer at our EM club and was able to drink it. My favorite Beer in Germany came from Berlin and it was sold there. Schweinfurt Brewery makes a good tasting beer. I believe this is true in Heidelberg. Anyway tastes vary and some of their beers I was not willing to buy.

 

[Robert W]

What was your goal? To be an idiot?

Look, just ask a question.

 

[Robert W]

My two sons like going to Berlin for the live music. I find live music crap, but they love it, and they both love Berlin. Germany is not on my 'to go to' list.

Generations tend to know stuff as they grow up onwards. They're be a lot of stuff from my parents era that I don't know. The Sound of Music is quite old so the current generation will be sketchy on it.

I remember a contestant on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. The contestant was born in the 90's said, "I'm too young to know that", to a question relating to the 60's. Jeremy Clarkson (the host), quick as a flash said, "I wasn't born in 1066 and I bloody know what happened".

I spent close to a month living in Berlin. Of all the cities on this planet I have been to, Berlin ranks as the top city. They have a great Berlin Philharmonic. As to the other music, I can't be of much help. After the wall fell in Berlin, I imagine a lot has changed since I was there in the 1963 period. I found she presented in her video things about Austria I had not thought about. Such as where the Trapp family fled to where she sang in the mountains. She said it is around 200 miles from Austria so how did they get that far on foot?

 

[zaangalewa]

Beer in Germany when I lived there was made often in villages.

More concrete: Since the middle ages exists the right to brew beer. But such rights had not been combined with persons or companies - as this is today - it was combined with houses. Houses had names. So whoever lived in a house had an own private name and a public house name. If the public house name was combined with the right to brew beer then everyone who bought such a house - this is still today often accepted - had also the right to brew beer. Since 1516 existed a strict law which only allowed barely, hops and water. The text is:

„Ganz besonders wollen wir, daß forthin allenthalben in unseren Städten, Märkten und auf dem Lande zu keinem Bier mehr Stücke als allein Gersten, Hopfen und Wasser verwendet und gebraucht werden sollen. Wer diese unsere Anordnung wissentlich übertritt und nicht einhält, dem soll von seiner Gerichtsobrigkeit zur Strafe dieses Faß Bier, so oft es vorkommt, unnachsichtlich weggenommen werden.“
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“In particular we want that henceforth everywhere in our towns, markets and in the country no more pieces than only barley, hops and water shall be used for beer. Whoever knowingly violates and does not comply with this order shall be punished by his judicial authority by having this barrel of beer taken away from him as often as it occurs.”

In later times yeast was also allowed - in the begining only spontaneous fermentation had been possible. And instead of barley they allowed also to use wheat for top-fermented beer.

So what most people call "beer" in the world is not really beer.

And it depended on the brewery as to the taste. A good comparison now is say Budweiser and Sierra Nevada Pale ale. I spend more on Sierra Nevada pale ale because it is outstanding. I got beer at our EM club and was able to drink it. My favorite Beer in Germany came from Berlin and it was sold there. Schweinfurt Brewery makes a good tasting beer. I believe this is true in Heidelberg. Anyway tastes vary and some of their beers I was not willing to buy.

Here many kinds of German Bier: ᐅ Biersorten: der ultimative Überblick | Biermap24

 

[Robert W]

More concrete: Since the middle ages exists the right to brew beer. But such rights had not been combined with persons or companies - as this is today - it was combined with houses. Houses had names. So whoever lived in a house had an own private name and a public house name. If the public house name was combined with the right to brew beer then everyone who bought such a house - this is still today often accepted - had also the right to brew beer. Since 1516 existed a strict law which only allowed barely, hops and water. The text is:

„Ganz besonders wollen wir, daß forthin allenthalben in unseren Städten, Märkten und auf dem Lande zu keinem Bier mehr Stücke als allein Gersten, Hopfen und Wasser verwendet und gebraucht werden sollen. Wer diese unsere Anordnung wissentlich übertritt und nicht einhält, dem soll von seiner Gerichtsobrigkeit zur Strafe dieses Faß Bier, so oft es vorkommt, unnachsichtlich weggenommen werden.“
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“In particular we want that henceforth everywhere in our towns, markets and in the country no more pieces than only barley, hops and water shall be used for beer. Whoever knowingly violates and does not comply with this order shall be punished by his judicial authority by having this barrel of beer taken away from him as often as it occurs.”

In later times yeast was also allowed - in the begining only spontaneous fermentation had been possible. And instead of barley they allowed also to use wheat for top-fermented beer.

So what most people call "beer" in the world is not really beer.



Here many kinds of German Bier: ᐅ Biersorten: der ultimative Überblick | Biermap24

Thank you very much for the lesson. I was not then a student of making Beer. I talked about Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. It is that due to high alcohol content. It is made this way.

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is an American pale ale with an ABV of 5.6%. The beer is known for its bold, complex flavor with notes of citrus and pine, which come from the Cascade hops. The beer was first brewed in 1980 and is credited with helping to spark the American craft beer revolution.



The Sierra Nevada Brewing Company website has a recipe for a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale clone.

 

[Ringo]

They have TV.....but when I was there in the 80s the programming was lousy.

Really? I thought that it as all like this: