Why don't we just use common sense on schools and guns?

[tigerred59]

Install metal detectors, school 24/7 monitoring and perhaps a safe place, reinforced bullet proof area for kids to go until help arrive? But arming teachers, having a public all walk around with guns.....cowards will not shoot back....

 

[Weatherman2020]

Install metal detectors, school 24/7 monitoring and perhaps a safe place, reinforced bullet proof area for kids to go until help arrive? But arming teachers, having a public all walk around with guns.....cowards will not shoot back....

Israel created a solution to protect kids in schools in 1974 that has not failed yet. Why try to reinvent the wheel?

 

[Mousterian]

How close do you need to be to trigger a metal-detector? Or are you thinking a fence of a few thousand metal detectors around every school?

 

[Weatherman2020]

How close do you need to be to trigger a metal-detector? Or are you thinking a fence of a few thousand metal detectors around every school?

Exactly. Hop the fence or toss the gun over and walk thru the detector.

 

[PredFan]

Install metal detectors, school 24/7 monitoring and perhaps a safe place, reinforced bullet proof area for kids to go until help arrive? But arming teachers, having a public all walk around with guns.....cowards will not shoot back....

Who are you and what happened to tigerred? I can agree with most of that, with the exception of not arming faculty. We don’t need every faculty member armed, just some, trained and with an actual plan of action.

 

[Tank]

More than 100,000 NYC schoolchildren, or about 1 in 4 middle and high schoolers, have to subject themselves to airport-style security—belts, and shoes off, wanding afterwards, the whole deal—every day. ProPublica and WNYC report that more than 236 schools have metal detectors at their entrances, and that though crime is down dramatically, few weapons are confiscated as a result of the security measures, and there hasn't been a shooting in a city school since 2002, there seems to be little will on the part of politicians and school administrators to remove the machines.

Use of the scanners persists despite advocates' arguments that they, along with the NYPD officers stationed in schools, create a jail-like atmosphere that disproportionately affects students of color, and increases their likelihood of contact with the criminal justice system. Reporters found that black and Hispanic students are three times more likely to have metal detectors at their schools, and another recent investigation found that nearly half of all African-American high schoolers contend with them.

100,000 Kids In Public School Go Through Metal Detectors Daily

 

[badger2]

First floor, especially problematic, shooter can work from the outside, breaking in through a window to thwart the metal detector. Once inside, the first responder, using one (or several?) swipe cards can

1.) activate partitions, automatically activating police/SWAT GPS connections

2.) activate cooking oil baptism in front of and behind the shooter (no carpets allowed here)

3.) activate shooting port in the partition

4.) activated partition activates warning signal in all classrooms and offices, giving the rest time to unfold the kevlar screens in their classrooms which also automatically locks the doors (unless over-ridden by a swipe-card holder)

If two teachers are manning different partitions (the shooter is between two partitions (along a hall, for example) and catch the shooter in a crossfire, there is little chance that one teacher will hit another (the ports are miniscule), and leaves opportunity to catch a window to the assailant even with "hostages" around.

Whatever happens within the partitions, the shooter is irreversibly captured.

 

[badger2]

The oil baptism (and other distractions) also allows for the possibility that the hostages themselves can overcome the shooter.

 

[badger2]

Fingerprint Opens the Box

NYT 2 Mar 2018 Trump's Call to Arm Teachers Resonates at Schools That Do
' Sydney, Ohio....dozens of biometric safes, tucked away discreetly in closets and classrooms, accessible only to a designated staff member whose fingerprint can open the box. A bulletproof vest is nearby, in an undisclosed location fortified to protect against any bullet except one fired from an assault rifle. "We can't stop an active shooter, but we can minimize the carnage," said John Scheu, the superintendent of Sidney City Schools.'

Scheu is incorrect. Partitions and cooking-oil baptisms can stop an active shooter in seconds, no exceptions, greatly reducing the carnage.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Fingerprint Opens the Box

NYT 2 Mar 2018 Trump's Call to Arm Teachers Resonates at Schools That Do
' Sydney, Ohio....dozens of biometric safes, tucked away discreetly in closets and classrooms, accessible only to a designated staff member whose fingerprint can open the box. A bulletproof vest is nearby, in an undisclosed location fortified to protect against any bullet except one fired from an assault rifle. "We can't stop an active shooter, but we can minimize the carnage," said John Scheu, the superintendent of Sidney City Schools.'

Scheu is incorrect. Partitions and cooking-oil baptisms can stop an active shooter in seconds, no exceptions, greatly reducing the carnage.

It's school, not prison.

If you thought Triggered's suggestion lacked common sense, get a load of this guy!

 

[Desperado]

Install metal detectors, school 24/7 monitoring and perhaps a safe place, reinforced bullet proof area for kids to go until help arrive? But arming teachers, having a public all walk around with guns.....cowards will not shoot back....

Israel created a solution to protect kids in schools in 1974 that has not failed yet. Why try to reinvent the wheel?

So what is it?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Install metal detectors, school 24/7 monitoring and perhaps a safe place, reinforced bullet proof area for kids to go until help arrive? But arming teachers, having a public all walk around with guns.....cowards will not shoot back....

Israel created a solution to protect kids in schools in 1974 that has not failed yet. Why try to reinvent the wheel?

So what is it?

In 1974 Palestinians murdered 31 and wounded 75 in a school.

Israel initiated some teachers and guards to be armed.

Since 1974 Palestinians have tried to murder kids in schools twice.

Both ended quickly with the terrorists shot dead.

Almost every mass murderer in history has been stopped by a person with a gun.

 

[PredFan]

First floor, especially problematic, shooter can work from the outside, breaking in through a window to thwart the metal detector. Once inside, the first responder, using one (or several?) swipe cards can

1.) activate partitions, automatically activating police/SWAT GPS connections

2.) activate cooking oil baptism in front of and behind the shooter (no carpets allowed here)

3.) activate shooting port in the partition

4.) activated partition activates warning signal in all classrooms and offices, giving the rest time to unfold the kevlar screens in their classrooms which also automatically locks the doors (unless over-ridden by a swipe-card holder)

If two teachers are manning different partitions (the shooter is between two partitions (along a hall, for example) and catch the shooter in a crossfire, there is little chance that one teacher will hit another (the ports are miniscule), and leaves opportunity to catch a window to the assailant even with "hostages" around.

Whatever happens within the partitions, the shooter is irreversibly captured.

It would be the simplest of solutions for schools to consult professional security experts on how to protect our kids. They don’t do it because it doesn’t fit the left wing agenda.

 

[badger2]

#10 can't think outside the box: the shooter is imprisoned within the box by those inside the box who activate partitions and instantly drop the shooter via cooking oil, (freeing everyone who is not within the shooter's partitions, thereby greatly preventing further carnage. Any female queasy about fingerprint-accessible guns can always throw a cooking-oil water balloon at the shooter before possibly being killed themselves. In fact, a teacher could theoretically throw the balloon ahead of the moving shooter thus absolutely preventing the shooter's movement, no exceptions.

Badger saves, and so do others.

 

[badger2]

No, the oil balloon must assuredly break when it hits the floor. Not glass. Fingerprint member? Though, fire-alarm glass breaking is available to (everyone [italics]), and increases the shooter-stopping potential. Cooking-oil reservoirs are spaced in the ceiling. But how to activate them with precision?