Zone1 Why don't more fatherless young Black men enlist in the Military?

[jwoodie]

There seems to be a consensus that fatherless young men are more likely to make poor behavior choices with lasting consequences. Since the Military seems to have continuing enlistment problems, why not try to attract these young men with special enlistment programs that would provide them with education, work skills and other benefits? Perhaps they should be given the opportunity to withdraw from their initial enlistments without penalty if they chose to? Is this already being done? If not, wouldn't this be worth a try?

 

[JoeB131]

There seems to be a consensus that fatherless young men are more likely to make poor behavior choices with lasting consequences. Since the Military seems to have continuing enlistment problems, why not try to attract these young men with special enlistment programs that would provide them with education, work skills and other benefits? Perhaps they should be given the opportunity to withdraw from their initial enlistments without penalty if they chose to? Is this already being done? If not, wouldn't this be worth a try?

Well, several problems.

The first is that many people simply can't meet the initial screenings of passing the ASVAB, not being overweight, etc. I guess if we didn't send these kids to awful schools and feed them crappy food that wouldn't be an issue, but it is.

About 30% who take the ASVAB fail it, and 21% are overweight.

But even for those lean kids who are smart enough to pass the ASVAB, why the hell would you? I found my time in a mostly peacetime army to be character-developing, but if a young man came up to me and asked me what I thought of him enlisting today, I'd be a bit hesitant to recommend it.

The way these soldiers have been abused since 9/11, I'm not sure why anyone enlists at this point.

 

[jotathought]

There seems to be a consensus that fatherless young men are more likely to make poor behavior choices with lasting consequences. Since the Military seems to have continuing enlistment problems, why not try to attract these young men with special enlistment programs that would provide them with education, work skills and other benefits? Perhaps they should be given the opportunity to withdraw from their initial enlistments without penalty if they chose to? Is this already being done? If not, wouldn't this be worth a try?

The military already provides education, work skills, and other benefits. How would you attract "fatherless" individuals for military service without being accused of stereotyping or the dreaded "profiling?"

 

[el midgetron]

The military already attracts fatherless-young-men.

 

[1srelluc]

Well it might add a few years to their life expectancy depending on where they hail from.

 

[Concerned American]

There seems to be a consensus that fatherless young men are more likely to make poor behavior choices with lasting consequences. Since the Military seems to have continuing enlistment problems, why not try to attract these young men with special enlistment programs that would provide them with education, work skills and other benefits? Perhaps they should be given the opportunity to withdraw from their initial enlistments without penalty if they chose to? Is this already being done? If not, wouldn't this be worth a try?

I was raised in a split family and I felt the military was my only option for becoming a productive member of society. It turned out to be a positive move. However, in today's "progressive" LOL American society, I would not make the same choice. The gov't, from the top down, is in disarray bordering on insanity.

 

[jwoodie]

The military already provides education, work skills, and other benefits. How would you attract "fatherless" individuals for military service without being accused of stereotyping or the dreaded "profiling?"

Recruitment/advertising and option to withdraw during initial training. Who would object to this?

 

[Mr Natural]

Maybe they don’t like being told what to do.

 

[jwoodie]

I was raised in a split family and I felt the military was my only option for becoming a productive member of society. It turned out to be a positive move. However, in today's "progressive" LOL American society, I would not make the same choice. The gov't, from the top down, is in disarray bordering on insanity.

I hope it has not yet reached the Basic Training level. I think that there would be a lot of peer pressure to not drop out, and a cash bonus for completion wouldn't hurt, either. Incremental inducements may work better than (re)enlistment bonuses.

 

[Concerned American]

a cash bonus for completion

I am opposed to a cash bonus. They already get subsidized education, free job training, medical, housing, meals and thirty days vacation per year, not to mention many benefits after the completion of their enlistment. That should be enough incentive.

 

[jwoodie]

I am opposed to a cash bonus. They already get subsidized education, free job training, medical, housing, meals and thirty days vacation per year, not to mention many benefits after the completion of their enlistment. That should be enough incentive.

It isn't.

 

[Concerned American]

It isn't.

Anyone that needs anything more is not a good candidate. We don't have a mercenary military and they aren't dependable historically.

 

[jwoodie]

Anyone that needs anything more is not a good candidate. We don't have a mercenary military and they aren't dependable historically.

So you are opposed to raising military pay and reenlistment bonuses?

 

[cnm]

Why don't more fatherless young Black men enlist in the Military?​

I suppose they resent being socially engineered meat grinder fodder.

 

[Concerned American]

So you are opposed to raising military pay and reenlistment bonuses?

Military pay is sufficient when benefits are considered--how many employers do you know that raise your pay because you are married with children? Reenlistment bonuses have nothing to do with what you suggested--your post suggested a cash bonus for completing initial training.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Good idea, very hard to successfully implement. They tried a form if in the US Navy about 50 year ago, and it did not go well.

 

[AMart]

Because they look up to making quick cash, drug dealing, rappers, entertainment, hoes, etc. who wants to get bossed around for low pay?

 

[IM2]

Why don't whites end the racism they practice that creates fatherless homes because black men don't get hired and paid equally with white men when we have the exact same qualificationas instead of believing they can suggest what blacks need to do?

 

[Resnic]

There seems to be a consensus that fatherless young men are more likely to make poor behavior choices with lasting consequences. Since the Military seems to have continuing enlistment problems, why not try to attract these young men with special enlistment programs that would provide them with education, work skills and other benefits? Perhaps they should be given the opportunity to withdraw from their initial enlistments without penalty if they chose to? Is this already being done? If not, wouldn't this be worth a try?

That requires young people to be raised to have a strong will, ambition, strength, determination and at least some sort of a moral compass and pride of the country.

The type of blacks you speak of have none of those. They would rather lie, cheat, steal at the expense of others and wallow in idiocy.

It isn't just because of not having a father. A lot of them are breed to be that way by their "black culture and community". They aren't blessed to have been raised to see their own shortcomings enough to realize they need to be better.

 

[cnm]

That requires young people to be raised to have a strong will, ambition, strength, determination and at least some sort of a moral compass and pride of the country.

Perhaps conditions in the US don't fit those needs, when they're raised in a society that is a feeding frenzy, everyone out for themselves.