Why do some right wingers Say if you go against Israel, you go against God? Israel existed thousands of years ago. It’s not the same as modern Israel

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Yay Tucker Brought this up with Ted Cruz. Obviously Cruz is great for a lot of things for the second amendment. I assume for free speech although I don’t know what he thinks about policing perceived “antisemitism” speech…still he is great on the border. He is great for the second amendment.



But man it’s really weird that a small percentage of right wingers keep on bringing this point up “if you go against Israel, you go against God” ….

Of course as a Christian as one who praises Jesus…I refuse to agree with this insane idea that you go against God if you go against some modern day Zionist who are in large part atheist of European background

 

[TemplarKormac]

It says it in the book of Genesis.

Chapter 12, verse 3:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

I mean, go read the Bible, maybe?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yay Tucker Brought this up with Ted Cruz. Obviously Cruz is great for a lot of things for the second amendment. I assume for free speech although I don’t know what he thinks about policing perceived “antisemitism” speech…still he is great on the border. He is great for the second amendment.



But man it’s really weird that a small percentage of right wingers keep on bringing this point up “if you go against Israel, you go against God” ….

Of course as a Christian as one who praises Jesus…I refuse to agree with this insane idea that you go against God if you go against some modern day Zionist who are in large part atheist of European background

**** them. Not our country.

 

[pknopp]

If they are God's chosen people and he says he will protect them, there is nothing we need to do if you actually believe in the God of the Bible.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

It says it in the book of Genesis.

Chapter 12, verse 3:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

I mean, go read the Bible, maybe?

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My friend, that is the ancient state of Israel. Not at all the same thing as the modern day state of Israel You enforced the OP thank you.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

**** them. Not our country.

the more I hear and read about Israel the more confused I get.

 

[TemplarKormac]

My friend, that is the ancient state of Israel. Not at all the same thing as the modern day state. That’s the original post made. You enforced it thank you.

It refers to the descendants of Abraham. Meaning the current Jewish state. The Jewish diaspora, the Jews living in Israel.

I didn't enforce a thing. The very citation disputes your and Tucker's reasoning.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

It refers to the descendants of Abraham. Meaning the current Jewish state. The Jewish diaspora, the Jews living in Israel.

I didn't enforce a thing. The very citation disputes your and Tucker's reasoning.

Modern day Zionists mostly descended from Europe. Also in the past thousands of years you’re going to have converts to Judaism …yes that was a thing in the older history of many many centuries ago. That’s not so much the case today but yes people did convert to Judaism many centuries ago.

Also modern day Hebrew was in effect invented in the recent era

But it’s all good. I respect you. But there will not be a way for me to logically look at the Prime Minister of Israel and say he is the same thing as the ancient Jews who existed thousands of years ago. It cannot possibly be connected. Sure they can be Jewish ….

Also lots of Zionists are atheist. So it’s many points to go to show There is no way to say that if you go against the modern day Zionist state you go against God that is the point.

The Bible doesn’t say hey if you go against the current Prime Minister of Israel, you go against God that is the point.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Modern day Zionists mostly descended from Europe. Also in the past thousands of years you’re going to have converse to studios yes that was a thing in the older history of many many centuries ago. That’s how much today but yes, people did convert to Judaism many centuries ago.

Also modern day Hebrew was in effect invented in the recent era

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But it’s all good. I respect you. But there will not be away for me to logically look at the Prime Minister of Israel and say he is the same thing as the ancient Jews who existed thousands of years ago. It cannot possibly be connected. Sure they can be Jewish ….

Also lots of designers are atheist. So it’s many points to go to show. There is no way to say that if you go against the modern day as Zion state you go against that is the point. And that isn’t that not what your Bible citation is saying. The Bible doesn’t say hey if you go against the current Prime Minister of Israel, you go against Scott that is the pointer.

What on Earth are you talking about?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I used to enjoy Tucker, but now... he's killing his credibility with each word.

Alex Jones, come get ya boy.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

What on Earth are you talking about?

Ok looks like you’re not reading my posts.

Also lots of Zionists are atheist. So it’s many points to go to show There is no way to say that if you go against the modern day Zionist state you go against God that is the point.

The Bible doesn’t say hey if you go against the current Prime Minister of Israel, you go against God that is the point.

Also modern-day Hebrew is not the same as Hebrew that was spoken thousands of years ago.

Your responding to fast though…. another problem with Cruz , he doesn’t know what he is talking about. He cannot actually cite the Bible and he is simply reiterating what evangelical leaders have said with regards to the propaganda about modern Israel…. and “if you go against it, you’re going against God”. It makes zero logical sense. There are literally people in Israel who are criminals, but there’s also wonderful kind people in Israel, who are honoring the 10 Commandments and things like that.

The point that “if you go against Israel, you go against God” is also really stupid. Because as mentioned there are all sorts of Jews in Israel some of them are great people. Some of them are criminals. So by the logic of the people who are making this point if you go against Israel, you go against God does that mean if I criticize some Israeli politician who takes bribes that I’m going against God? It’s just so dumb.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

It says it in the book of Genesis.

Chapter 12, verse 3:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

I mean, go read the Bible, maybe?

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Ted Cruz did not even know where that quote was from. Tucker Carlson had to tell him it’s in the book of Genesis.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Ok looks like you’re not reading my posts.

Also lots of Zionists are atheist. So it’s many points to go to show There is no way to say that if you go against the modern day Zionist state you go against God that is the point.

The Bible doesn’t say hey if you go against the current Prime Minister of Israel, you go against God that is the point.

Also modern-day Hebrew is not the same as Hebrew that was spoken thousands of years ago.

Your responding to fast though…. another problem with Cruz , he doesn’t know what he is talking about. He cannot actually cite the Bible and he is simply reiterating what evangelical leaders have said with regards to the propaganda about modern Israel…. and “if you go against it, you’re going against God”. It makes zero logical sense. There are literally people in Israel who are criminals, but there’s also wonderful kind people in Israel, who are honoring the 10 Commandments and things like that.

The point that “if you go against Israel, you go against God” is also really stupid. Because as mentioned there are all sorts of Jews in Israel some of them are great people. Some of them are criminals. So by the logic of the people who are making this point if you go against Israel, you go against God does that mean if I criticize some Israeli politician who takes bribes that I’m going against God? It’s just so dumb.

Why would I lend myself to conspiracies, Andrew?

Yikes. This is why I don't read those posts.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Neither you nor buttercup has enough biblical knowledge to counter my arguments.

Furthermore, I just cited Genesis 12:3. It's clear what God meant; it's clear he foresaw the 12 tribes and their descendants merging into one nation of peoples.

 

[buttercup]

It refers to the descendants of Abraham. Meaning the current Jewish state. The Jewish diaspora, the Jews living in Israel.

I didn't enforce a thing. The very citation disputes your and Tucker's reasoning.

That is absolutely and demonstrably false. I'll bold the pertinent parts for you.

"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed” meaning one person, who is Christ. - Galatians 3:16

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.- Galatians 3:29​

 

[Manonthestreet]

It says it in the book of Genesis.

Chapter 12, verse 3:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

I mean, go read the Bible, maybe?

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Which doesn't mean you can't disagree with them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is absolutely and demonstrably false. I'll bold the pertinent parts for you.

"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed” meaning one person, who is Christ. - Galatians 3:16​

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And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.- Galatians 3:29​

"descendants (plural), forever"

 

[Foxfyre]

Yay Tucker Brought this up with Ted Cruz. Obviously Cruz is great for a lot of things for the second amendment. I assume for free speech although I don’t know what he thinks about policing perceived “antisemitism” speech…still he is great on the border. He is great for the second amendment.



But man it’s really weird that a small percentage of right wingers keep on bringing this point up “if you go against Israel, you go against God” ….

Of course as a Christian as one who praises Jesus…I refuse to agree with this insane idea that you go against God if you go against some modern day Zionist who are in large part atheist of European background

I think you go against God if you go after anybody out of prejudice or irrational hatred.

I do believe the forces of evil in universe whether we call that Satan or whatever has targeted God's chosen people for all of its recorded history. I also believe God has saved at least a remnant of those people to carry on as indicated in Biblical manuscripts and as observed in more modern history.

The Jewish people have been overcome and and dispersed by various conquerers as recorded in Biblical manuscripts. It is believed the later New Testament manuscripts were written after the Romans drove most of the Jews from Jerusalem and Israel in 70 A.D. and destroyed the temple there. That accounts for Jewish populations throughout Europe or, more specifically, what was once the Roman Empire.

In their much more recent history, most were driven from Russia and what is now the Ukraine in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century and most from Germany in the mid 20th Century.

Yes the remnants from those histories are of European descent but that makes them no less the Jews who are God's chosen people.

These are amazing people. They constitute 1/5th of 1% of the world's population but their contribution to the advancement of civilization and the greater good. They hold more than 1/5th of all Nobel prizes awarded and are credited with many innovations, inventions, creations far beyond what their tiny numbers would expect.

Yes Christianity I believe is of God too. The JudeoChristian history has influenced the entire world far more than any other events/forces/concepts put together.

But I personally believe it goes against God to scorn the Jews.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Honestly, with the Bible so easily available to you, you choose not to read it, if only for educational purposes.

Please, don't lecture other Christians about what the Bible says if you know nothing of it yourself.

 

[multivita-man]

It says it in the book of Genesis.

Chapter 12, verse 3:
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you"

I mean, go read the Bible, maybe?

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Abraham existed before there was even a distinction between Jews and Gentiles, let alone Israel.