Why Do Liberals Ignore Science Regarding Transgender Surgery for Minors?

[rampart]

Umm, did you read the OP? How is allowing minors to have irreversible surgery on their sexual organs "deference to medical science" when science tells us that the human brain does not develop its reasoning capacity until ages 21-25?

Any parents who would allow their adolescent or teen to get such surgery are not fit to be parents. Thank goodness a number of states have banned transgender surgery for minors, making it impossible for parents to authorize such surgery for their children.

Using your warped concept of "freedom," we should allow teen girls to get breast implants and allow teen boys to get vasectomies. Under your version of "freedom," we should also allow teens and even adolescents to buy cigarettes, drink alcohol, use prescription pain killers for recreational purposes, etc.

It is sad that liberals refuse to protect our children from being persuaded to have their sexual organs permanently removed. You can't undo transgender genital surgery. It's permanent, irreversible.

i am not said minor's parent or md. how about the big brother just leave them alone?

 

[Polishprince]

The real “experts” are Transexuals themselves

How do you figger?

Are psychotics "experts" in psychosis? Are neurotics "experts" in neurosis?

That being said, if a grown adult of sound mind wants to spend their time and money having someone lop off their penis, who am I to say they shouldn't do if they think it will make them happy. But I really don't think that James and Tammy Felbaum were "experts" in shit, even though both had the operation.

Tammy Felbaum — Crimes Below the Belt: Penile Removal and Castration — Crime Library

The sexual assault case involving Lorena Bobbitt and John Wayne Bobbitt is the best known case of where a person cut off another's penis, but there are a number of other amazing cases just as interesting as the John Wayne Bobbitt case, such as: Kim Tran in Anchorage, Alaska cutting off her...

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[frigidweirdo]

Science has known for at least 30 years now that the reasoning part of the human brain does not fully develop until ages 21-25 (LINK, LINK, LINK). Even before neuroscience developed, society already recognized that minors are simply not qualified or equipped to make certain decisions on their own.

A 14-year-old girl or a 16-year-old boy, much less an 11-year-old girl or a 12-year-old boy, are in no position to decide whether to have their sexual organs permanently altered. We need to protect our children from being talked into getting such major irreversible surgery.

We don't let 15-year-old boys join the military. We don't let 13-year-old kids start smoking cigarettes. We don't let 12-year-old kids buy alcohol. We don't let 14-year-old girls get breast-enlargement surgery. We have these sensible, protective, and humane laws because we all know that those young people are not equipped or qualified to decide to do those things.

We also have very different legal punishments for minors who commit crimes compared to the punishments for adults who commit crimes, precisely because we recognize that a minor's decision-making ability is inferior and incomplete.

Transgender surgery is not "gender-affirming surgery"--it is gender-denying surgery. It ignores biological science and biological reality.

Lots of adolescents and teens go through a phase where they feel they identify more with the opposite gender. As late as the 1990s, girls who felt this way were commonly called "Tom boys." But in most cases, they eventually grew out of it as they matured and as the reasoning part of their brain completed its development. Those few who did not grow out of it were typically people who succumbed to the temptation of same-sex attraction and who chose to engage in homosexual conduct. However, a sizable percentage of people who identify as gay or lesbian for years eventually change their minds and revert to being heterosexual. Google "PFOX."

There should be a federal ban on transgender surgery for anyone under the age of 21. If a 21-year-old wants to get the surgery, that's up to them. I feel sorry for them, but that's their call. But, for heaven's sake, let's protect our children from being talked into getting their sexual organs permanently altered.

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In the aftermath of media promotion of the transgender movement, many people now regret choosing a different gender and have begun detransitioning.

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A look at the alarming rise of teens who are changing genders and then “detransitioning” back.

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Ex-Navy SEAL who detransitioned warns transgender teens: âYou need to slow downâ

A former Navy SEAL who came out as transgender and later detransitioned is warning teens and young Americans to exercise extreme caution when considering gender affirming surgery – saying “you need…

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Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence.

Sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psychosocially.

www.heritage.org

I'm liberal and I don't support transgender surgery for minors.

So... your whole point is mute.

 

[Hollie]

Hollie, the problem with the issue of transexuality is not uninformed nut jobs like you who believe all the lies being spread about Transexuals but Republican legislators who believe the same thing.

In your world…..
Groomers stalk young children and convince them that they are really the opposite sex. They convince naive parents of the same and then rush out to lop off the genitals of young children before they change their minds.
These children then grow up to be groomers themselves

What lies are being spread? It's no lie that there are at least 22 states that have restrictions on tranny surgeries for minors and laws that limit you groomers from providing dangerous drug therapies.

You people have no business involving yourselves in intimate, sexually explicit matters with 4 and 5 year old children with the explicit intent to keep parents excluded. You people intentionally keep parents excluded because you know your actions are unethical.

In your world, you have convinced yourself that normal, childhood curiosity about their bodies and biological processes of physical changes in children present an opportunity to exploit those children.

 

[rightwinger]

What lies are being spread? It's no lie that there are at least 22 states that have restrictions on tranny surgeries for minors and laws that limit you groomers from providing dangerous drug therapies.

You people have no business involving yourselves in intimate, sexually explicit matters with 4 and 5 year old children with the explicit intent to keep parents excluded. You people intentionally keep parents excluded because you know your actions are unethical.

In your world, you have convinced yourself that normal, childhood curiosity about their bodies and biological processes of physical changes in children present an opportunity to exploit those children.

Why we shouldn’t allow bigoted Republicans to make decisions that are better made by parents and professionals

 

[Polishprince]

Why we shouldn’t allow bigoted Republicans to make decisions that are better made by parents and professionals

How about if the parents and professionals are "bigoted" Republicans? Should they be making the decision, or should unionized teachers in the government schools be "transitioning" children behind their back?

 

[Hollie]

Why we shouldn’t allow bigoted Republicans to make decisions that are better made by parents and professionals

How are parents making decisions when the Dem / Socialist groomers intentionally exclude parents from their coercive activities?

The state legislatures that have passed laws restricting dangerous drug therapies and mutilating surgeries on minor children have done so to protect those children from those like you who want to allow coerced children to make life altering decisions.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Actually, the leftist tranny advocacy groups want to get'em even younger.

This is the obvious problem with leftist groomers. Your 'careful consideration' slogan is nonsense when it comes to decisions made by leftist groomers to start a 14 year old on dangerous, life altering drugs.

This is why children need to be shielded from Dem / Socialist groomers.

Trans kids’ treatment can start younger, new guidelines say

Hormones could be started at age 14.

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The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment.



Wasn't it you who wrote that tranny surgeries are never performed on minors?

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Yep, it was.

Broken bot needs some reprogramming when it contradicts itself.

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[rightwinger]

How are parents making decisions when the Dem / Socialist groomers intentionally exclude parents from their coercive activities?

The state legislatures that have passed laws restricting dangerous drug therapies and mutilating surgeries on minor children have done so to protect those children from those like you who want to allow coerced children to make life altering decisions.

Do you realize what an idiot you look like when you post this nonsense?

 

[Hollie]

Do you realize what an idiot you look like when you post this nonsense?

Do you realize what an idiot you look like when you claim parents should be involved in their children’s decisions when, at the same time, you want to deny that Dem / Socialist groomers exclude parents from those decisions?

 

[mikegriffith1]

i am not said minor's parent or md. how about the big brother just leave them alone?

So if a 10-year-old boy became convinced that he should have a vasectomy, and if his parents were reckless enough to authorize him to get that surgery, you would be okay with that? Any sane, decent person would say, "No, parents should not have the right let their adolescent or teen son get a vasectomy."

It's funny: You guys have no problem with Big Brother fining or jailing parents who don't want their kids to get certain vaccinations. But you think parents should be permitted to allow, and even persuade, their young children to get irreversible surgery on their sexual organs. Just sick.

Is there no perversion or indecency that liberals won't defend and excuse in the same of so-called "freedom," "tolerance," etc.? It's not "freedom" or "tolerance" for parents to allow a minor to get their sexual organs permanently removed. It's child abuse.

 

[rightwinger]

Do you realize what an idiot you look like when you claim parents should be involved in their children’s decisions when, at the same time, you want to deny that Dem / Socialist groomers exclude parents from those decisions?

 

[rightwinger]

So if a 10-year-old boy became convinced that he should have a vasectomy, and if his parents were reckless enough to authorize him to get that surgery, you would be okay with that? Any sane, decent person would say, "No, parents should not have the right let their adolescent or teen son get a vasectomy."

It's funny: You guys have no problem with Big Brother fining or jailing parents who don't want their kids to get certain vaccinations. But you think parents should be permitted to allow, and even persuade, their young children to get irreversible surgery on their sexual organs. Just sick.

Is there no perversion or indecency that liberals won't defend and excuse in the same of so-called "freedom," "tolerance," etc.? It's not "freedom" or "tolerance" for parents to allow a minor to get their sexual organs permanently removed. It's child abuse.

Still waiting for you to show figures on the number of small children being sexually mutilated

 

[Hollie]

Your most coherent post on the subject.

 

[HeyNorm]

Conservatives have no appreciation about how difficult a decision it is for parents to acknowledge they have a transgendered child. Most would prefer to just wait and see if they grow out of it.

But parents see the signs from when children are quite young, they see the struggles of their child. They meet with professionals who know the difference between a child going through a short term fantasy and actual transexuality.

The decision to allow a child to begin transition is not done frivolously

Sounds like a personal problem.

 

[HeyNorm]

Do you realize what an idiot you look like when you post this nonsense?

Projection post of the day!

 

[mikegriffith1]

Still waiting for you to show figures on the number of small children being sexually mutilated

Wow. Sick. Just listen to yourself. So it's no big deal if children ages 13-17 are being sexually mutilated, but you want to know how many adolescent children are being sexually mutilated.

The point is that not a single adolescent or teen child should be allowed to have their sexual organs permanently removed because they are in no position to be making such a decision, even if they have the misfortune of having parents who will allow them--even encourage them--to do it.

What is it about basic decency and humanity in the protection of children that you just don't get?

So if a 15-year-old boy became convinced that he should have a vasectomy, and if his parents were reckless enough to let him to get the surgery, you would be okay with that? No decent, rational person would approve of such child abuse.

Until the liberal revolt against traditional morality and decency came along, society understood that minors should not be allowed to do certain things, and that parents should not be allowed to permit their minors to do those things.

 

[rightwinger]

Wow. Sick. Just listen to yourself. So it's no big deal if children ages 13-17 are being sexually mutilated, but you want to know how many adolescent children are being sexually mutilated.

The point is that not a single adolescent or teen child should be allowed to have their sexual organs permanently removed because they are in no position to be making such a decision, even if they have the misfortune of having parents who will allow them--even encourage them--to do it.

What is it about basic decency and humanity in the protection of children that you just don't get?

So if a 15-year-old boy became convinced that he should have a vasectomy, and if his parents were reckless enough to let him to get the surgery, you would be okay with that? No decent, rational person would approve of such child abuse.

Until the liberal revolt against traditional morality and decency came along, society understood that minors should not be allowed to do certain things, and that parents should not be allowed to permit their minors to do those things.

So you just double down on your false claims of the sexual mutilation of children

Where is your proof?

How many children were sexually mutilated in the US last year?

 

[Polishprince]

So you just double down on your false claims of the sexual mutilation of children

Where is your proof?

How many children were sexually mutilated in the US last year?

If there was only one, there would be one too many, RW.

Its never appropriate to mutilate or feed a child dangerous hormones because they are thought to be mentally ill.

Like I said, if an adult man wants to dress up like a broad, or even decide to pump his body full of hormones and cut his nads off, that's fine.

But these are fucking minors for goodness sakes.

 

[rightwinger]

If there was only one, there would be one too many, RW.

Its never appropriate to mutilate or feed a child dangerous hormones because they are thought to be mentally ill.

Like I said, if an adult man wants to dress up like a broad, or even decide to pump his body full of hormones and cut his nads off, that's fine.

But these are fucking minors for goodness sakes.

So you admit it is not happening

Puberty blockers work