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[Avatar4321]

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I've been arguing for the Constitution since I first learned and understood about it.
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Thank God!

We can all sleep a little bit better tonight knowing you are standing guard over us.

Mock if you want, but it's something I care about deeply. I like freedom. I dont really care what you think of that. And I'm sure not going to be intimidate by you.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Only a Liberal prick like Dante would post the non thinking shallow crap he places on this board.

douchebagh says what?

Who wants to be first to post a quote of Dante saying 'what'?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Very timely

http://www.usmessageboard.com/media/107635-americas-hidden-history.html

 

[Dante]

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I've been arguing for the Constitution since I first learned and understood about it.
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Thank God!

We can all sleep a little bit better tonight knowing you are standing guard over us.

Mock if you want, but it's something I care about deeply. I like freedom. I dont really care what you think of that. And I'm sure not going to be intimidate by you.

You need to get life.

Why don't you get off your computer and go down to the Post Office and salute the flag.



gawd, the idiocy these hyper patriots spout.

 

[Dante]

Only a Liberal prick like Dante would post the non thinking shallow crap he places on this board.

douchebagh says what?

Who wants to be first to post a quote of Dante saying 'what'?

what?

what?

 

[AllieBaba]

You have earned yourself the idiot crown, Dante.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why don't you get off your computer and go down to the Post Office and salute the flag.



gawd, the idiocy these hyper patriots spout.

You are seriously cracking me up man. Because of the irony of your posts.

I can confidently tell you that I have a life, and a really good one at that. I'm free for the most part. I have a good job. I've got romance. And Ive got some fun hobbies. What's to complain about?

I'm curious what you think having a life is. Since you seem to think that learning, discussing, and advocating for good causes aren't something someone with a life would do, yet you obviously believe that you have a life when all you do is look stupid talking about subjects you are ignorant on and trying to provoke anger from other people with pathetic attempts at ridicule.

So please, I'd love to hear it. In fact, maybe I will start a thread on what it means to have a life.

 

[Avatar4321]

You have earned yourself the idiot crown, Dante.

For once, Mel Brooks was wrong. It sucks to be the King.

 

[AllieBaba]

Or queen.

 

[Diuretic]

Why are reactionaries allowed to hide behind the label "conservative"?

Possibly the same reason communists hide behind the terms "liberal" and "progressive"?

Door swings both ways, Bubba....Careful you don't get bashed on the nose with it.

Ah, it's camouflage then. From that it seems that "liberal" and "progressive" are terms that "communists" can use to hide themselves. So it is is possible to be a proud liberal or progressive without being a communist.

 

[Diuretic]

What a bunch of bogus straw man questions. They don't deserve the dignity of a response - they are just "when did you stop beating your wife" accusations.

I don't think they're strawmen, I mean this one - Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand? - is a good question. However it's a closed question which limits its usefulness, I'll concede that. But conservatives and reactionaries do hate organised labour and they want it dismantled and they want to see workers exposed to the twin laws of supply and demand because they believe that's how things should be.

then why are many conservatives in labor unions?......maybe you should say ....some conservatives....dont be like Rdean Di and blanket everybody for the actions of a few....i belong to a labor Union that is estimated to be 35-40% republican....

Yep, my union would be 98% conservative - there's me and three other blokes who aren't

I think it's not really about politics Harry - unions, because of their ability to organise workers and then to collectively bargain with employers, are a threat to employers because they will bargain wages to a level that employers don't like. There may well be some ideologues who want unions ouf the of the way because they want to see individual workers bargain by themselves, but I think mostly it's a more pragmatic approach.

 

[boedicca]

Yep, my union would be 98% conservative - there's me and three other blokes who aren't

I think it's not really about politics Harry - unions, because of their ability to organise workers and then to collectively bargain with employers, are a threat to employers because they will bargain wages to a level that employers don't like. There may well be some ideologues who want unions ouf the of the way because they want to see individual workers bargain by themselves, but I think mostly it's a more pragmatic approach.

Except for Public Employee Unions. They don't negotiate with those of us who pay the bills. Instead, they collude with our elected representatives who feed off of the same benefit plan - and are paid off with campaign donations by the unions. It's a rigged game.

 

[Diuretic]

Yep, my union would be 98% conservative - there's me and three other blokes who aren't

I think it's not really about politics Harry - unions, because of their ability to organise workers and then to collectively bargain with employers, are a threat to employers because they will bargain wages to a level that employers don't like. There may well be some ideologues who want unions ouf the of the way because they want to see individual workers bargain by themselves, but I think mostly it's a more pragmatic approach.

Except for Public Employee Unions. They don't negotiate with those of us who pay the bills. Instead, they collude with our elected representatives who feed off of the same benefit plan - and are paid off with campaign donations by the unions. It's a rigged game.

I'm in a public sector union. I pay taxes that, among other things, fund my direct employer. I don't know what it's like where you are but I know, from personal experience as a negotiator, that there's no collusion when we go head to head with the state government, it's gloves off and into it!

 

[Foxfyre]

Yep, my union would be 98% conservative - there's me and three other blokes who aren't

I think it's not really about politics Harry - unions, because of their ability to organise workers and then to collectively bargain with employers, are a threat to employers because they will bargain wages to a level that employers don't like. There may well be some ideologues who want unions ouf the of the way because they want to see individual workers bargain by themselves, but I think mostly it's a more pragmatic approach.

Except for Public Employee Unions. They don't negotiate with those of us who pay the bills. Instead, they collude with our elected representatives who feed off of the same benefit plan - and are paid off with campaign donations by the unions. It's a rigged game.

I'm in a public sector union. I pay taxes that, among other things, fund my direct employer. I don't know what it's like where you are but I know, from personal experience as a negotiator, that there's no collusion when we go head to head with the state government, it's gloves off and into it!

There are always exceptions to every rule, and there are some unions that do provide an invaluable service to both employer and the workers and form amicable alliances. Years ago some organizations like big hospitals, large newspapers, etc. encouraged their employees to elect negotiators to work with HR to hammer out compensation and benefit packages that all or most could agree with. This cut down on a lot of grievances. I know of several small unions that are not a problem for the employers.

Force wages/benefits above budgetary restraints in the public sector however, and the higher practices and other factors could have a negative effect on the local economy and relationships between local government and the people they serve.

Force wages/benefits above reasonable profit margins in the private sector and you have businesses such as GM and Crysler, among others, stretched to the breaking point and unable to compete effectively with non union shops and/or forced into bankruptcy. Or you have large corporations like Boeing moving large portions of its manufacturing divisions from Seattle to a right to work state and many more leaving the country, taking all those jobs with them, to escape unreasonable union demands.

A shirttail relative of ours once ran a successful manufacturing business in Missouri. His employees, paid on a par with other like businesses in the area, were persuaded to unionize and the union then demanded higher wages and more benefits. Our friend brought in the union bosses and opened his books and showed how he could not accommodate their demands and continue to make a profit. They took a vote and ordered a strike anyway. He then closed up shop in Missouri and reopened the business in South Carolina, sans union, and all, except the union and his employees in Missouri, lived together happily ever after until his death a few years ago.

So there are no hard and fast rules. Conservatives, however don't hate unions. They resist unions who are not representing the best interest of the workers or giving fair consideration to the employers who hire them.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Since when has organized labor actually done any labor? I think thats the problem. They want people to get paid for doing absolutely nothing. Then they bully, intimidate, threaten, extort and engage in other activities that in any other circumstances would put them in jail for 5-10 years.

BTW Conservatives dont hate anything. We are just tired of special interests groups trying to remake our Republic into something else.

What a batch of lies.

You people are the lackies of the special interest groups.

oh give us a fucking break Rocks.....what a bunch of Bullshit....go ahead Rocks tell us how the Democrats are not Lackies for their own special interest groups.....do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?.....W...T....F!!!!....

 

[Harry Dresden]

ACLU: Saved that hemorrhoid asshole Rush Limbaugh, who btw had no scruples accepting the socialist defenders when his fat white ass was on the line.

when are they going to come forward and defend the 2nd amendment?......

does it need defending?

where have you been?......right now there is a case before the Supreme Court....where were they during the DC case.....where have they been when others have gone to court over the years for gun rights....

 

[The T]

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand?

Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing?

Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. They seem to have utter contempt for the poor.

Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default.

I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

What Scabs do you pick? The only ONES are in the minds of YOUR likes, and those of your compadres that SEEK rather actively to pit ONE American against another by dividing them into groups...and compartmentalising them for your further sick twisted 'FUN'.

As to this 'Groupthink' Mentality of YOU and your sick-twisted Statists/Progressive brothers/Sisters?

We Conservatives are onto you...WE aren't buying this PERVERSION what YOU have been selling over the decades. And it appears that the PEOPLE are much like us...in FACT they *ARE* US.

You are welcome to plod on...but no one is stepping on the flaming bag of unadultrated HORSESHIT that you present.

I am stepping AROUND it as to present it to your olefactory delight. it STINKS as does YOUR THREAD HERE.

My advice to you is to wake the Hell up. *YOU* are outnumbered by those that YOU make fun of.

 

[jeffrockit]

Too funny seeing lefties liberals talking about others who don't think like them as being, HATE.

If there ain't a profit in it, Conservatives ain't buyin'!

Oh yeah the evil profit word as if there are no liberal companies that have ever made a profit. Michael Moore is the left's poster boy for hypocrisy when it comes to making a profit as he has made millions.

You simply cannot use a broad brush defining conservatives just as the same is true for liberals. There are far right and left loons that seem to get all the press so they become the mainstream on both sides.

 

[The T]

Too funny seeing lefties liberals talking about others who don't think like them as being, HATE.

If there ain't a profit in it, Conservatives ain't buyin'!

Oh yeah the evil profit word as if there are no liberal companies that have ever made a profit. Michael Moore is the left's poster boy for hypocrisy when it comes to making a profit as he has made millions.

You simply cannot use a broad brush defining conservatives just as the same is true for liberals. There are far right and left loons that seem to get all the press so they become the mainstream on both sides.

It appears to ME on the surface that *YOU* confuse REPUBLICANS with TRUE Conservatives. They are NOT synominous. Lern this lesson... Many Republicans are in fact MODERATES, and therfore labeled "REPUBICANS"...and NOT worhty of the Republican Moniker.

 

[Si modo]

Speaking as a political conservative:

Why do Conservatives hate organized labor? ....

I don't hate it. I see it as the buggy whip of employment. It is no longer needed (except in extreme cases, maybe).

.... Is it because the Conservatives don't want labor protected? ....

No job should be protected from the market any more than any other job.

.... Is it because Conservatives see labor as a commodity? One that should respond to market forces like supply and demand? ....

Yes.



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.... Why do conservatives hate civil liberties? ....

That is a huge strawman so let's just assasinate that right now. I don't.

.... Is it because the Conservatives see civil liberties as a hindrance to commerce (I believe commerce is all that really matters to a Conservative)? ....

As I don't hate civil liberties (what a ridiculous thought, by the way), this question is nonapplicable, as strawmen are.

.... Is it because Conservatives feel too much freedom is a dangerous thing? ....

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. I don't hate civil liberties so there is no reason to even address this ridiculous idea.



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.... Why do Conservatives hate economically disadvantaged people? ....

Strawman. So, here we go: I don't hate economically disadvantaged people. Now what?

.... They seem to get worked up about unemployment benefits. ....

I don't get worked up about unemployment benefits. Ideally, we shouldn't have any of those benefits. But, we have them and the pragmatic view is to realize that they are not going away ever. That is political suicide.

.... They seem to have utter contempt for the poor. ....

As I'm typing here, I am stunned at how completely out of touch one must be to even ask such a question, but I'm hoping you are being sincere. Anyway, this is the same question as two questions ago. I don't have utter contempt for the poor. In fact, conservatives donate more to charities that help the poor than do liberals. Go figure why one would think conservatives have utter contempt for the poor.



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.... Why do Conservatives hate environmentalism? ....

If it's honest, I don't hate it. Even if it's dishonest, I don't hate it.

.... Can it be that Conservatism demands pollution? ....

I don't hate honest environmentalism. If it's dishonest, the better question would be cui bono from the rhetoric.

.... Again, I believe that as commerce is the single most important thing to Conservatives. Anything that may hinder commerce from doing whatever the hell it wants has to be bad by default. ....

I don't hate honest environmentalism so your question is based on a strawman. I dislike dishonest environmentalism and THAT is a dishonest way to make money - make legislation under the guise of an environmental issue - and is artificial. It often exploits honest brokers in the market it affects, too.



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.... I know I'm going to take heat for a thread that picks at so many scabs, ....

A lot of those scabs don't even exist. You made them up.

.... but these are the issues which seem to divide this country most politically. ....

I tend to agree that they are dividing issues. But, I believe they would not be so divisive if liberals would bother to listen to conservatives' views rather than to make them up for conservatives.

.... If some Conservatives want to answer these and other questions honestly, I'd appreciate it.

I applaud your effort to understand a political conservative. I hope you are sincere and I hope you and other liberals actually listen.

As I don't see any partisan-hack attempts here, I really do think you are sincere.