Why Conservatives Are Really The Same As Communists

[Mr.Fitnah]

Who said anything about a 'final solution'?


I told you the end goal.

There must have been a rerun of Glenn Beck's FEMA death camps last night.

You mean were he debunked the myth utterly?

 

[Si modo]

A lot of liberals have no clue what a Bell curve is. Useful idiots - don't even grasp standard distributions.

It would be helpful if you pointed to which part (or comments) in this thread to which the bell curve should apply.
....

Read the thread. I've done so several times. Intellectual laziness is nothing to brag about.

Now, fly away. You've done your daily shitting on the thread.

.... Calling "liberals" useful idiots would seem to put you way at the bottom of the curve since the theory deals in relative fact, not stupid opinions.

Ya know, you can't even think through your own insults to make any sense at all.

 

[MaggieMae]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

Does someone have an Idiot/English dictionary handy?

Well, it took 70 posts, but this is no longer a troll-free thread....

Some members simply can't stand it when a good, civil discussion is being held. People like Si Modo and Crusader can always be counted on to ruin it.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Who said anything about a 'final solution'?


I told you the end goal.

There must have been a rerun of Glenn Beck's FEMA death camps last night.

You mean were he debunked the myth utterly?

Yep...that show....plus it was mentioned yesterday on one of his best programs ever.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.

Rant over....

You got it just backwards there grump.

Us conservatives are NAZIS. You liberals are the COMMUNISTS.

Republicans were the Nazis not conservatives
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[MaggieMae]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

If you work hard, get an education, be diligent and disiplined, absolutely you can make $120,000 per year, YOU EARNED IT!!!!! If you sit on your ass in front of the tube waiting for your government check- you did not earn it and you DON'T DESERVE IT. It's called FREEDOM and OPPORTUNITY not the gravy train that you obviously have been living off and whining about. NO ONE OWES YOU A LIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell that to all the college grads who thought they had the right stuff to immediately start making the big bucks, only to realize that they won't get hired by grades alone. And that was BEFORE the recession. They may not be living off the gubmit dole, but many are back home living with mommie and daddie AND parked in front of the TV or on the Internet playing.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And someone mentioned the Red Hen, here's the real story: The Little Red Hen: A Closer look at a Conservative Fable | Conceptual Gue

Reading it now.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

If you work hard, get an education, be diligent and disiplined, absolutely you can make $120,000 per year, YOU EARNED IT!!!!! If you sit on your ass in front of the tube waiting for your government check- you did not earn it and you DON'T DESERVE IT. It's called FREEDOM and OPPORTUNITY not the gravy train that you obviously have been living off and whining about. NO ONE OWES YOU A LIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell that to all the college grads who thought they had the right stuff to immediately start making the big bucks, only to realize that they won't get hired by grades alone. And that was BEFORE the recession. They may not be living off the gubmit dole, but many are back home living with mommie and daddie AND parked in front of the TV or on the Internet playing.

If they were more selective when they chose their major MAYBE THEY COULD GET A GODDAM JOB!!!! "Women's Studies" "Psychology" and "Political Science" are worthless!!!!

 

[MaggieMae]

C

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

What you're being is brain dead.

Everyone is at a different point on the path. Today's grunt on the loading dock can be tomorrow's logistics CEO, who in turn hires that day's loading dock grunt.

Your rather childlike view appears to hold that everyone should have more or less the same outcome, no matter whether they've created a business that generates billions in useful products or they're the entry-level schlubb who can't see past Friday night happy hour.

Ironically, I think you made his point. That is not what Grump says at all. In fact, he says just the opposite--that it's impossible for everyone to have more or less the same outcome.

 

[Si modo]

If you work hard, get an education, be diligent and disiplined, absolutely you can make $120,000 per year, YOU EARNED IT!!!!! If you sit on your ass in front of the tube waiting for your government check- you did not earn it and you DON'T DESERVE IT. It's called FREEDOM and OPPORTUNITY not the gravy train that you obviously have been living off and whining about. NO ONE OWES YOU A LIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell that to all the college grads who thought they had the right stuff to immediately start making the big bucks, only to realize that they won't get hired by grades alone. And that was BEFORE the recession. They may not be living off the gubmit dole, but many are back home living with mommie and daddie AND parked in front of the TV or on the Internet playing.

If they were more selective when they chose their major MAYBE THEY COULD GET A GODDAM JOB!!!! "Women's Studies" "Psychology" and "Political Science" are worthless!!!!

Exactly.

And, let's not forget that the liberal agenda has infiltrated higher education - fundamentally that everyone should have a degreee regardless of ability - making BAs and BSs practically worthless at this point.

 

[MaggieMae]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

Rookie error, Dr G. Communists believe that everyone should remain equal. Of course, this can never work because there is always someone above another.... even in communism.

Conservatives believe that we are born equal - ie that circumstance of birth does not matter, it is what you do with your opportunities - and how you create your own opportunities that makes each equal. Equal opportunity does not add up to equal outcomes.

That sounds all warm and fuzzy coming from a "conservative," but in practice there are volumes of statistics saying just the opposite, from racial inequities to educational opportunities depending on geographic location.

 

[Si modo]

C

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

What you're being is brain dead.

Everyone is at a different point on the path. Today's grunt on the loading dock can be tomorrow's logistics CEO, who in turn hires that day's loading dock grunt.

Your rather childlike view appears to hold that everyone should have more or less the same outcome, no matter whether they've created a business that generates billions in useful products or they're the entry-level schlubb who can't see past Friday night happy hour.

Ironically, I think you made his point. That is not what Grump says at all. In fact, he says just the opposite--that it's impossible for everyone to have more or less the same outcome.

You assume, wrongly, that what Grump says is what political conservatives believe.

Leave it to the liberal mind actually to believe a strawman.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

Rookie error, Dr G. Communists believe that everyone should remain equal. Of course, this can never work because there is always someone above another.... even in communism.

Conservatives believe that we are born equal - ie that circumstance of birth does not matter, it is what you do with your opportunities - and how you create your own opportunities that makes each equal. Equal opportunity does not add up to equal outcomes.

That sounds all warm and fuzzy coming from a "conservative," but in practice there are volumes of statistics saying just the opposite, from racial inequities to educational opportunities depending on geographic location.

and there are volumes of statistics that show that there are no racial inequities and equal educational opportunities no matter where you are....try again.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

And someone mentioned the Red Hen, here's the real story: The Little Red Hen: A Closer look at a Conservative Fable | Conceptual Gue

Reading it now.

And as I said ,it always ends up in the same place, this time an gas chambers and ovens .

 

[MaggieMae]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

So many fallacies, yet a bit of time.

1. With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal.
Not this conservative, and all the conservatives I know.
Strawman

2. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system?
Nope.
Strawman
Thus, the rest of that paragraph of yours is nonsense.

3. This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit.
As you've just argued a strawman, this is a non sequitur and irrelevant.



As I said previously, the liberal mind tends to argue strawmen. I'll help you beat that one to death: If any conservative believes that if we all work we'll all have the same $120K income, yeah, they are a moron.

Unfortunately for you, conservatives don't have the ideology you presented. Thus, you are arguing a strawman. Your post is irrelevant.

Now what?



We are born into a system where we have an equal opportunity and are equal under the eyes of the law. We also know that there is a standard distribution of human abilities - that Bell curve that is so annoying to libs. If the government stays out of the way, we all can be equal in acheiving our highest potential on that curve according to our abilities.

Seems to me you've employed the strawman ploy just as a copout to avoid any kind of retort. Using that logic, every thread posted in any topic arena (unless a linked news report) would fall within the definition of strawman.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

And someone mentioned the Red Hen, here's the real story: The Little Red Hen: A Closer look at a Conservative Fable | Conceptual Gue

Reading it now.

And as I said ,it always ends up in the same place, this time an gas chambers and ovens .

Yep....and leave it to a leftard website to provide a 10,000 word analysis and arrive at the wrong conclusion...as usual.

 

[Si modo]

Communist doctrine demands that all people are created equal, but as Orwell pointed out, 'some are more equal than others'. IOW, the reality is a whole lot different.

With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal. ie: if you work hard, are not a lazy arse, then you will get the rewards you deserve just like everybody else.

Now, the thing is, if we all managed to fulfil the Conservative Doctrine - ie, full employment, work hard, and enjoy the fruits of our labour, then isn't that communism? We'll all be the same? We all would have the same working conditions etc?

I am being slightly facetious, but I'm really trying to point out how ridiculous conservative thought is. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system? Do they really believe that? If so, then they are morons, because even the most dimmest lightbulb on either aisle knows that there are not enough jobs that pay $120,000 a year plus benefits. They know that when they yell "Stop whining about your lot in life and get yourself a better job", that if everybody ACTUALLY attempted this, then there are not enough jobs to go around. IOW, they are demanding of EVERYBODY, something that in reality can never happen.

This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit. All they see is their own set of circumstances and achievements, and can't for the life of them figure out that their end game is some idealised Utopia that is impossible to fulfil.


Rant over....

So many fallacies, yet a bit of time.

1. With conservatives (on this board anyway), they want everybody to be equal.
Not this conservative, and all the conservatives I know.
Strawman

2. Do conservatives really believe that we can ALL have excellent paying jobs, benefits and therefore not be a burden on the tax system?
Nope.
Strawman
Thus, the rest of that paragraph of yours is nonsense.

3. This is why when it comes to jobs and the free market, conservatives are full of shit.
As you've just argued a strawman, this is a non sequitur and irrelevant.



As I said previously, the liberal mind tends to argue strawmen. I'll help you beat that one to death: If any conservative believes that if we all work we'll all have the same $120K income, yeah, they are a moron.

Unfortunately for you, conservatives don't have the ideology you presented. Thus, you are arguing a strawman. Your post is irrelevant.

Now what?



We are born into a system where we have an equal opportunity and are equal under the eyes of the law. We also know that there is a standard distribution of human abilities - that Bell curve that is so annoying to libs. If the government stays out of the way, we all can be equal in acheiving our highest potential on that curve according to our abilities.

Seems to me you've employed the strawman ploy just as a copout to avoid any kind of retort. Using that logic, every thread posted in any topic arena (unless a linked news report) would fall within the definition of strawman.

Ploy?

You obviously have no idea what a strawman is. I'll go slowly for ya: "A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. ...." Make up the position of the opponent and argue that rather than the actual position of the opponent.

And, with respect to any retort you think I avoided, I agreed with the strawman, and you missed it. So there is nothing TO retort. That's the best way to eliminate the strawman.

It's also a simple concept that you obviously cannot grasp. What 'seems to you' is not reality, but I'm getting used to that.

 

[MaggieMae]

Well, you're going to have to expand on how your saying, "Mine is that - everything being equal - there are not enough well paying jobs around and realise this fact, therefore the above is impossible. That is my starting point..... " means that we are NOT born into a system where we have an equal opportunity and we are NOT equal in the eyes of the law.

If you want to change the goal post to something else - something other than your strawman in tha OP - then specify what that is.

Why do I have to expand on it? It is self explanatory. In order for me to expand on my saying you have to take the first part into account too.

Of course we are not born into a system where we have equal opportunity and are equal in the eyes of the law. That is very apparent.

....

What 'first part'? And, perhaps it's that way in your country, but not here.

Well, I'll try to go slowly for you. I'm a political conservative. My ideology has nothing to do with what you said conservatives' ideology is. Soooooooo, what you said is a strawman.

.... That aside, I'll say this: Most conservatives on this board - and it seems generally when reading pundits blogs - some how believe that people who use government programmes are lesser people for doing so; are lazy; are bleeding the 'system' dry; are parasites; haven't day a day's work in their life - the list goes on. My contention - and in NO WAY is it a strawman argument - is that if we all did truly reach our potential, there are those that would still need some sort of govt assistance. My anecdotal evidence - and there are even a couple of posts in this very thread - is that if this were to happen, conservatives would still have nothing but derision for those who fall at the very bottom of that Bell Curve. IOW, they expect the impossible....

....

OK. We have a new goal post. Thank you.

.... As for explanations, I would love to see you explain this little doozie: If the government stays out of the way, we all can be equal in achieving our highest potential on that curve according to our abilities.

As I prefer clear communication over pettiness and I can atriculate my points clearly, yes, I will explain something that is self-explanatory. In an ideal system, those who are on the lowest end of that curve - the ones with the least abilities - will be the ones who have the lowest position in society (jobless, getting assistance perhaps, beggars, etc.). Those who are on the highest end of that curve - with the highest abilities - will have the best positions in society. And, those who are the majority - near the middle of that curve - will be the middle class. A large middle class makes for a strong nation. It's quite simple.

Unfortunately, when you realize you have either lost an argument, you resort to spin (which yes, you articulate your spin very well). I don't believe Dr. Grump has any argument about the "bell curve" at all, but you choose to ignore that fact, and instead begin your usual tactic of snarky attacks trying to prove you're superior to the writer.

Memo to Dr. Grump: Si modo will soon enter her how-badly-can-I-insult-this-person mode and still appear to be on topic.

 

[MaggieMae]

awww poor Dr Gump unhappy with his astroturf gov

Day Two and another troll.

 

[Si modo]

Why do I have to expand on it? It is self explanatory. In order for me to expand on my saying you have to take the first part into account too.

Of course we are not born into a system where we have equal opportunity and are equal in the eyes of the law. That is very apparent.

....

What 'first part'? And, perhaps it's that way in your country, but not here.

Well, I'll try to go slowly for you. I'm a political conservative. My ideology has nothing to do with what you said conservatives' ideology is. Soooooooo, what you said is a strawman.



OK. We have a new goal post. Thank you.

.... As for explanations, I would love to see you explain this little doozie: If the government stays out of the way, we all can be equal in achieving our highest potential on that curve according to our abilities.

As I prefer clear communication over pettiness and I can atriculate my points clearly, yes, I will explain something that is self-explanatory. In an ideal system, those who are on the lowest end of that curve - the ones with the least abilities - will be the ones who have the lowest position in society (jobless, getting assistance perhaps, beggars, etc.). Those who are on the highest end of that curve - with the highest abilities - will have the best positions in society. And, those who are the majority - near the middle of that curve - will be the middle class. A large middle class makes for a strong nation. It's quite simple.

Unfortunately, when you realize you have either lost an argument, you resort to spin (which yes, you articulate your spin very well). I don't believe Dr. Grump has any argument about the "bell curve" at all, but you choose to ignore that fact, and instead begin your usual tactic of snarky attacks trying to prove you're superior to the writer.

Memo to Dr. Grump: Si modo will soon enter her how-badly-can-I-insult-this-person mode and still appear to be on topic.

*whoosh, whoosh*

The first is the sound of the witch on her broomstick.

The second is the sound of almost all information going over her head.