Why Are You Opposed to Trump?

[HUGGY]

Why Are You Opposed to Trump?

I've always been opposed to self aggrandizing blowhard bullies.

It's what I do.

 

[Boss]

It doesn't matter if you were an Obama supporter or not, the point is that Trump cannot be worse.

And he cannot be worth than Hillary Clinton, a crazy war monger and a corrupt and ruthless puppet who will sell the interests of Americans for a couple of shekels.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad. Don't underestimate him.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad? I'll go you one better... if elected, he will set back the Conservative movement 40 years. Because everything he does will be tied to Conservatives and The Right. All of us who are vocally not supporting him... we won't matter THEN! The Left will portray Conservatives as The Party of Trump and it's "death by association". So the Conservative movement, at least in our lifetime, is done if this man gets elected.

 

[Boss]

Why Are You Opposed to Trump?

I've always been opposed to self aggrandizing blowhard bullies.

It's what I do.

You know... I wish there were some way to cull out retarded morons from the threads they have no business in. YOU aren't being asked this question, goofball. The OP is speaking to GOP voters in the midst of our primary... are you planning on being a GOP voter? .....Now, you really do need to stop worrying about OUR primary... go find the thread discussing the merits of the Trotskyite vs. Leninist in your own damn primary. Stop showing everyone your level of retardation posting in the wrong threads!

 

[HUGGY]

Why Are You Opposed to Trump?

I've always been opposed to self aggrandizing blowhard bullies.

It's what I do.

You know... I wish there were some way to cull out retarded morons from the threads they have no business in. YOU aren't being asked this question, goofball. The OP is speaking to GOP voters in the midst of our primary... are you planning on being a GOP voter? .....Now, you really do need to stop worrying about OUR primary... go find the thread discussing the merits of the Trotskyite vs. Leninist in your own damn primary. Stop showing everyone your level of retardation posting in the wrong threads!

The last time I voted for president I voted republican. ..and the time before that and so on and so forth. I find it interesting that you feel that your opinion should be some factor in who I vote for or what threads I participate in to gather any information I can use to make my decision.

I'm sorry there are no NAZIS running this time. You obviously need a strong authoritarian to suck up to. The Donald has been all over the map politically as he has recently given Clinton a huuuuuge pile of cash. Thankfully I don't have to squish any of you cockroaches to vote, if I choose to.

The OP asks:
Why Are You Opposed to Trump?

Clearly this thread is more aimed at why voting republicans do not support Trump than your sad bully boi opinion.

 

[PredFan]

Doubtful, he'll be worse than Hillary.

That's entirely your opinion. As far as I'm concerned, the guy is the white-trash Obama, which leaves an absolutely mind-boggling scope for awful.

Based on what? It's easy enough to say that, backing it up is a lot harder. All I have to do is look at her horrible record as Secretary of State, how she almost single-handedly destabilized the ME, got several people killed, exposed who knows how many of our state secrets. In just foreign policy alone it would be vary difficult for Trump to do worse. Then their is her already divisive talk in race, he completely idiotic proposed policies in economics, and there is very little doubt that Trump would be better.

I'm sorry, are you asking me the basis for calling him the white-trash Obama, or for saying he has a mind-boggling scope for awful?

You don't have to sell me on how awful Hillary is. I'd rather be tortured with thumbscrews than tolerate her and her horny hick husband in the White House for four years. The problem is, how horrible SHE is isn't a mitigating factor on how horrible TRUMP is, and I have an equal preference right now for torture over tolerating HIM in the White House, too. Sadly, "horrible" is not a zero-sum game in this instance, where there's only so much to go around and the more horrible she has, the less there is available for him to have.

But our argument is about Trump being worst or at least not as bad as Hillary.

I have provided some points to support my claim that he won't be as bad as Hillary, you disagree. Can you provide something other than disagreement?

Now that you have clarified, yes. I can.

Ask yourself this: which of the two is more likely to get their policies and agendas enacted by Congress?

Hillary Clinton would love to be a continuation of the policies of the Obama Administration, no doubt about it. But she's not Barack Obama. She's an ugly shrew with a strident, clunky, massively unlikable personality. The only reason she's winning the Democrat primaries at all is because they're literally set up to be a coronation procession for whomever the party insiders anoint, with virtually no reference to their rank-and-file at all, because they can be counted on to vote in lockstep however they're told and swear up, down, and sideways that it was all their idea. She has no charisma or persuasiveness of her own, and no legion of rabid fans. She does, however, have the capacity to galvanize Republicans and conservatives against her. So President Hillary would likely face massive gridlock and right-wingers coming out of the woodwork to retain control of Congress to keep it that way.

How likely are Congressional Republicans, who are not the most stalwart of champions under any circumstances, to react that way to a President who wears, however falsely, the label of "Republican"? Especially with his cult of worshipers screaming at the gates? And given that he readily and easily flip-flops from right to left on virtually any issue that comes up, how likely is it that Congressional Democrats will feel the need to strongly oppose him? Hell, he's donated to a lot of them. What are the chances that we'll see teaming up to neutralize the spaghetti-spined Republicans?

We certainly would not see any movement forward on any truly conservative issues, particularly involving limiting the scope and overreach of the federal government, because Trump's not a conservative and he's also not even remotely the sort of man who would voluntarily limit his own power. What we WOULD likely see is more of the populist crap he spews on the stump, which the Democrats would be just fine with and the Republicans would be too weak-sistered to resist in the face of his unwashed masses of populist fans.

So basically, we're looking at two people putting forward policies that are ultimately bad for America, and only one of them with a good chance of actually achieving those policies.

Which one do YOU think would be worse?

You are operating under the not-so-certain assumption that the GOP will retain power in Congress. Also, you are forgetting that the Congress, now run by the GOP never said no to Obama so why would they say no to Hillary? In addition, you are operating under the false assumption that though Trump is HATED by the GOP right now, suddenly they will like him when he is POTUS.

There is a GIANT hole in your theory. Hillary would be far far worse.

 

[PredFan]

It doesn't matter if you were an Obama supporter or not, the point is that Trump cannot be worse.

And he cannot be worth than Hillary Clinton, a crazy war monger and a corrupt and ruthless puppet who will sell the interests of Americans for a couple of shekels.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad. Don't underestimate him.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad? I'll go you one better... if elected, he will set back the Conservative movement 40 years. Because everything he does will be tied to Conservatives and The Right. All of us who are vocally not supporting him... we won't matter THEN! The Left will portray Conservatives as The Party of Trump and it's "death by association". So the Conservative movement, at least in our lifetime, is done if this man gets elected.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP, or Conservatives and their future. I care about US, my children and grandchildren's future. Hillary will do immediate and irreversible damage right away. Who gives a shit about winning the White House in 2020 when it's too fucking late?

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's entirely your opinion. As far as I'm concerned, the guy is the white-trash Obama, which leaves an absolutely mind-boggling scope for awful.

Based on what? It's easy enough to say that, backing it up is a lot harder. All I have to do is look at her horrible record as Secretary of State, how she almost single-handedly destabilized the ME, got several people killed, exposed who knows how many of our state secrets. In just foreign policy alone it would be vary difficult for Trump to do worse. Then their is her already divisive talk in race, he completely idiotic proposed policies in economics, and there is very little doubt that Trump would be better.

I'm sorry, are you asking me the basis for calling him the white-trash Obama, or for saying he has a mind-boggling scope for awful?

You don't have to sell me on how awful Hillary is. I'd rather be tortured with thumbscrews than tolerate her and her horny hick husband in the White House for four years. The problem is, how horrible SHE is isn't a mitigating factor on how horrible TRUMP is, and I have an equal preference right now for torture over tolerating HIM in the White House, too. Sadly, "horrible" is not a zero-sum game in this instance, where there's only so much to go around and the more horrible she has, the less there is available for him to have.

But our argument is about Trump being worst or at least not as bad as Hillary.

I have provided some points to support my claim that he won't be as bad as Hillary, you disagree. Can you provide something other than disagreement?

Now that you have clarified, yes. I can.

Ask yourself this: which of the two is more likely to get their policies and agendas enacted by Congress?

Hillary Clinton would love to be a continuation of the policies of the Obama Administration, no doubt about it. But she's not Barack Obama. She's an ugly shrew with a strident, clunky, massively unlikable personality. The only reason she's winning the Democrat primaries at all is because they're literally set up to be a coronation procession for whomever the party insiders anoint, with virtually no reference to their rank-and-file at all, because they can be counted on to vote in lockstep however they're told and swear up, down, and sideways that it was all their idea. She has no charisma or persuasiveness of her own, and no legion of rabid fans. She does, however, have the capacity to galvanize Republicans and conservatives against her. So President Hillary would likely face massive gridlock and right-wingers coming out of the woodwork to retain control of Congress to keep it that way.

How likely are Congressional Republicans, who are not the most stalwart of champions under any circumstances, to react that way to a President who wears, however falsely, the label of "Republican"? Especially with his cult of worshipers screaming at the gates? And given that he readily and easily flip-flops from right to left on virtually any issue that comes up, how likely is it that Congressional Democrats will feel the need to strongly oppose him? Hell, he's donated to a lot of them. What are the chances that we'll see teaming up to neutralize the spaghetti-spined Republicans?

We certainly would not see any movement forward on any truly conservative issues, particularly involving limiting the scope and overreach of the federal government, because Trump's not a conservative and he's also not even remotely the sort of man who would voluntarily limit his own power. What we WOULD likely see is more of the populist crap he spews on the stump, which the Democrats would be just fine with and the Republicans would be too weak-sistered to resist in the face of his unwashed masses of populist fans.

So basically, we're looking at two people putting forward policies that are ultimately bad for America, and only one of them with a good chance of actually achieving those policies.

Which one do YOU think would be worse?

You are operating under the not-so-certain assumption that the GOP will retain power in Congress. Also, you are forgetting that the Congress, now run by the GOP never said no to Obama so why would they say no to Hillary? In addition, you are operating under the false assumption that though Trump is HATED by the GOP right now, suddenly they will like him when he is POTUS.

There is a GIANT hole in your theory. Hillary would be far far worse.

No, I'm really not operating under the assumption that the GOP will retain power. I actually think he'd be harmful to that particular cause. Please notice the part I have helpfully bolded.

Why would they say no to Hillary? Because, again, she has a clunker of a personality and no particular following for them to feel "persuaded" by. And as I mentioned, she has anti-charisma, where her "charms" actually galvanize people against her.

I never said they would "like" Trump. Please stop thinking of this on childish student-body-president terms. I said that they have never had the spine to oppose a charismatic (I don't personally see it in Trump's case, but people keep insisting it's true, and he certainly attracts low-IQ cultists, so . . .) President who can mobilize hordes of screaming followers, and that will only be exacerbated by that President having an (R) behind his name, and the screaming followers are, at least nominally, their own base.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It doesn't matter if you were an Obama supporter or not, the point is that Trump cannot be worse.

And he cannot be worth than Hillary Clinton, a crazy war monger and a corrupt and ruthless puppet who will sell the interests of Americans for a couple of shekels.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad. Don't underestimate him.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad? I'll go you one better... if elected, he will set back the Conservative movement 40 years. Because everything he does will be tied to Conservatives and The Right. All of us who are vocally not supporting him... we won't matter THEN! The Left will portray Conservatives as The Party of Trump and it's "death by association". So the Conservative movement, at least in our lifetime, is done if this man gets elected.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP, or Conservatives and their future. I care about US, my children and grandchildren's future. Hillary will do immediate and irreversible damage right away. Who gives a shit about winning the White House in 2020 when it's too fucking late?

What's the point of "winning the White House" with a liberal disaster masquerading as a Republican? What have you actually won? Bragging rights? Whoop de fucking do.

 

[Boss]

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP, or Conservatives and their future. I care about US, my children and grandchildren's future. Hillary will do immediate and irreversible damage right away. Who gives a shit about winning the White House in 2020 when it's too fucking late?

Well Pred, if you are of the impression that it's all over for this country and no use in us even trying to restore any semblance of the country we once knew... so we may as well elect a caustic jackhole and be amused while the ship goes down.... yeah, I guess I can see that as being a reason to vote for Trump.

I think there is still time to recover and bring conservative principles back but if Trump gets elected, he is going to ass things up because he has no idea of what he's doing. The blame is going to the Republicans and Conservatives regardless. Tell your kids and grandkids to get prepared for living in a Socialist country.... that's all I can tell ya.

 

[PredFan]

It doesn't matter if you were an Obama supporter or not, the point is that Trump cannot be worse.

And he cannot be worth than Hillary Clinton, a crazy war monger and a corrupt and ruthless puppet who will sell the interests of Americans for a couple of shekels.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad. Don't underestimate him.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad? I'll go you one better... if elected, he will set back the Conservative movement 40 years. Because everything he does will be tied to Conservatives and The Right. All of us who are vocally not supporting him... we won't matter THEN! The Left will portray Conservatives as The Party of Trump and it's "death by association". So the Conservative movement, at least in our lifetime, is done if this man gets elected.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP, or Conservatives and their future. I care about US, my children and grandchildren's future. Hillary will do immediate and irreversible damage right away. Who gives a shit about winning the White House in 2020 when it's too fucking late?

What's the point of "winning the White House" with a liberal disaster masquerading as a Republican? What have you actually won? Bragging rights? Whoop de fucking do.

The point, as I said, is stopping Hillary.

 

[PredFan]

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP, or Conservatives and their future. I care about US, my children and grandchildren's future. Hillary will do immediate and irreversible damage right away. Who gives a shit about winning the White House in 2020 when it's too fucking late?

Well Pred, if you are of the impression that it's all over for this country and no use in us even trying to restore any semblance of the country we once knew... so we may as well elect a caustic jackhole and be amused while the ship goes down.... yeah, I guess I can see that as being a reason to vote for Trump.

I think there is still time to recover and bring conservative principles back but if Trump gets elected, he is going to ass things up because he has no idea of what he's doing. The blame is going to the Republicans and Conservatives regardless. Tell your kids and grandkids to get prepared for living in a Socialist country.... that's all I can tell ya.

Think about it. When in the entire history of the US has an entitlement program if any kind ever been reversed? With Hillary, they will be added, increased, lengthened, and solidified into permanence. Obamacare? It will become single payer and never ever return. You are naive if you think any of the damage she will do can ever be fixed.

Do I believe it's all over? No, but it will be if Hillary is POTUS. That is my whole point.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I looked hard at Trump when all this started, and knew Cruze would be the other choice. Rubio was done when he betrayed those who sent him to washington, and the rest were pretty much retreads and washouts from past primareys. So at this point,I am a Cruz supporter. I can pull up his senate record and see consistency. Not so much with Donald Trump. Donald Trump just bounces around to much for me, and he just doesn't have the temperament for the job. He will also have lots of trouble with Hillery when it comes to who he gave money to in his past as a New York developer. He gave over $600,000.00 to democrats who backed things like gun control as well as unions. I don't hold the union thing against him thoigh. Unions build stuff and he needs them, but m afraid they are Inot him to deeply. I was able to find all that with a simple Google search. Hillery will bring more with her machine. All that and his behavior, all the winning and crying about the rules, unless they are in his favor, he hasn't complained about the Florida deligates.

So in short, go Ted.

You say his donations to Dems will hurt him, but the union stuff won't because he needs them to build stuff. My impression is that he gave money to politicians on both sides because buying politicians makes building things easier. He appeared to be politically agnostic when he was strictly a businessman. I don't follow your reasoning.

Between 1989 and 2010, The Donald gave $314,300 to Democratic groups and candidates and $290,600 to Republicans, according to a Daily Caller analysis of records maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics.


But Trump’s donation gap was even larger during the mid-2000s, which saw the end of Republican congressional majorities and the ascendance of the Democratic party.


Overall in the 2006 election cycle, Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., donated $77,200 to Democrats versus only $24,250 on Republicans. Looking back to the 2004 cycle, the pair donated $40,500 to Democrats and only $17,250 to the GOP.

Donald Trump Donated Heavily To Democrats, Especially During Election Which Put Reid And Pelosi In Power

In what universe does that look "politically agnostic"?

I think it is a bit more subtle than simply saying because he donated 10% more to Dems than Reps over a 20 year period he is clearly more democratic. I haven't , nor do I intend to, spend my time analyzing each donation he has made with the idea it will give me some insight to his political leanings. Sounds like somebody is feeling a little butt hurt because her canidate is getting slapped around by an orange clown. Having no dog in the fight can help with objectivity.

 

[Boss]

Think about it. When in the entire history of the US has an entitlement program if any kind ever been reversed? With Hillary, they will be added, increased, lengthened, and solidified into permanence. Obamacare? It will become single payer and never ever return. You are naive if you think any of the damage she will do can ever be fixed.

Do I believe it's all over? No, but it will be if Hillary is POTUS. That is my whole point.

Under Trump, entitlement programs are going to be increased and expanded the same as under Hillary. The difference will be the salesman. Trump has gone on record saying he likes single payer. When he tells you he is going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.... that's what he means. Single payer. Not only will healthcare be government funded, he wants to set it up within the capitalist system so corporatists can screw the government.

You're being sold a bill of goods by a man who thinks you're not that smart. He's a New York liberal and has been his entire life... until he decided to run for president. Now he's like the Pied Piper with all you people following behind, bamboozled into believing he is going to do all these things he has promised... and he wouldn't dare lie to you because, well... he's not a politician! Yeah right!

 

[PredFan]

Think about it. When in the entire history of the US has an entitlement program if any kind ever been reversed? With Hillary, they will be added, increased, lengthened, and solidified into permanence. Obamacare? It will become single payer and never ever return. You are naive if you think any of the damage she will do can ever be fixed.

Do I believe it's all over? No, but it will be if Hillary is POTUS. That is my whole point.

Under Trump, entitlement programs are going to be increased and expanded the same as under Hillary. The difference will be the salesman. Trump has gone on record saying he likes single payer. When he tells you he is going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.... that's what he means. Single payer. Not only will healthcare be government funded, he wants to set it up within the capitalist system so corporatists can screw the government.

You're being sold a bill of goods by a man who thinks you're not that smart. He's a New York liberal and has been his entire life... until he decided to run for president. Now he's like the Pied Piper with all you people following behind, bamboozled into believing he is going to do all these things he has promised... and he wouldn't dare lie to you because, well... he's not a politician! Yeah right!

You continue to criticise Trump because of what you think he might do and you ignore the fact of what Hillary WILL do. I didn't say trump was a saint, nor that he's a true conservative and for your information, I'm a Cruz supporter.

Trump is the lesser of the two evils, and you don't agree. I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

 

[xband]

Trump Trump Trump.

 

[Boss]

Think about it. When in the entire history of the US has an entitlement program if any kind ever been reversed? With Hillary, they will be added, increased, lengthened, and solidified into permanence. Obamacare? It will become single payer and never ever return. You are naive if you think any of the damage she will do can ever be fixed.

Do I believe it's all over? No, but it will be if Hillary is POTUS. That is my whole point.

Under Trump, entitlement programs are going to be increased and expanded the same as under Hillary. The difference will be the salesman. Trump has gone on record saying he likes single payer. When he tells you he is going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.... that's what he means. Single payer. Not only will healthcare be government funded, he wants to set it up within the capitalist system so corporatists can screw the government.

You're being sold a bill of goods by a man who thinks you're not that smart. He's a New York liberal and has been his entire life... until he decided to run for president. Now he's like the Pied Piper with all you people following behind, bamboozled into believing he is going to do all these things he has promised... and he wouldn't dare lie to you because, well... he's not a politician! Yeah right!

You continue to criticise Trump because of what you think he might do and you ignore the fact of what Hillary WILL do. I didn't say trump was a saint, nor that he's a true conservative and for your information, I'm a Cruz supporter.

Trump is the lesser of the two evils, and you don't agree. I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

I was once on board with Trump but he pushed me off the train. As I said, I don't know that he would be "less evil" than Hillary in terms of the damage he is going to do to the Conservative movement. When he is done, a Republican or Conservative can hang it up... we'll never see one elected again. That's MY fear... that he is going to so damage the brand that we will never recover.

I am almost to the point of thinking, Hillary would have to battle Congress to get her SCOTUS picks and everything else, while conservatives could still make their case to the American people. I seriously doubt that narcissistic bitch can get through 4 years without getting herself impeached. Meanwhile, we keep control of Congress and in 4 years, run a principled conservative with a principled conservative message.

If I honestly believed Trump was a Conservative, committed to fundamental Conservative philosophy, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election.... but I know he is not. And every single thing he does that can be turned into something bad-- will be turned into something deplorable and paraded around by the left as an example of modern Conservatism. Think of how we took it in the shorts for all the Bush mistakes. Conservatives are STILL being blamed for Bush.

 

[PredFan]

Think about it. When in the entire history of the US has an entitlement program if any kind ever been reversed? With Hillary, they will be added, increased, lengthened, and solidified into permanence. Obamacare? It will become single payer and never ever return. You are naive if you think any of the damage she will do can ever be fixed.

Do I believe it's all over? No, but it will be if Hillary is POTUS. That is my whole point.

Under Trump, entitlement programs are going to be increased and expanded the same as under Hillary. The difference will be the salesman. Trump has gone on record saying he likes single payer. When he tells you he is going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.... that's what he means. Single payer. Not only will healthcare be government funded, he wants to set it up within the capitalist system so corporatists can screw the government.

You're being sold a bill of goods by a man who thinks you're not that smart. He's a New York liberal and has been his entire life... until he decided to run for president. Now he's like the Pied Piper with all you people following behind, bamboozled into believing he is going to do all these things he has promised... and he wouldn't dare lie to you because, well... he's not a politician! Yeah right!

You continue to criticise Trump because of what you think he might do and you ignore the fact of what Hillary WILL do. I didn't say trump was a saint, nor that he's a true conservative and for your information, I'm a Cruz supporter.

Trump is the lesser of the two evils, and you don't agree. I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

I was once on board with Trump but he pushed me off the train. As I said, I don't know that he would be "less evil" than Hillary in terms of the damage he is going to do to the Conservative movement. When he is done, a Republican or Conservative can hang it up... we'll never see one elected again. That's MY fear... that he is going to so damage the brand that we will never recover.

I am almost to the point of thinking, Hillary would have to battle Congress to get her SCOTUS picks and everything else, while conservatives could still make their case to the American people. I seriously doubt that narcissistic bitch can get through 4 years without getting herself impeached. Meanwhile, we keep control of Congress and in 4 years, run a principled conservative with a principled conservative message.

If I honestly believed Trump was a Conservative, committed to fundamental Conservative philosophy, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election.... but I know he is not. And every single thing he does that can be turned into something bad-- will be turned into something deplorable and paraded around by the left as an example of modern Conservatism. Think of how we took it in the shorts for all the Bush mistakes. Conservatives are STILL being blamed for Bush.

Just like the other person, you assume two incorrect things:
1. That the GOP will retain control of congress.
2. That given that, they won't cow tow to anything Hillary wants just like they did for 0bama.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And he cannot be worth than Hillary Clinton, a crazy war monger and a corrupt and ruthless puppet who will sell the interests of Americans for a couple of shekels.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad. Don't underestimate him.

He absolutely can be worse than Hillary, or at least as bad? I'll go you one better... if elected, he will set back the Conservative movement 40 years. Because everything he does will be tied to Conservatives and The Right. All of us who are vocally not supporting him... we won't matter THEN! The Left will portray Conservatives as The Party of Trump and it's "death by association". So the Conservative movement, at least in our lifetime, is done if this man gets elected.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP, or Conservatives and their future. I care about US, my children and grandchildren's future. Hillary will do immediate and irreversible damage right away. Who gives a shit about winning the White House in 2020 when it's too fucking late?

What's the point of "winning the White House" with a liberal disaster masquerading as a Republican? What have you actually won? Bragging rights? Whoop de fucking do.

The point, as I said, is stopping Hillary.

No, that's YOUR point. MY point is for the country I love to have a good President who will reverse the damage that's been done so that my children can grow up and live in the same United States I did.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Think about it. When in the entire history of the US has an entitlement program if any kind ever been reversed? With Hillary, they will be added, increased, lengthened, and solidified into permanence. Obamacare? It will become single payer and never ever return. You are naive if you think any of the damage she will do can ever be fixed.

Do I believe it's all over? No, but it will be if Hillary is POTUS. That is my whole point.

Under Trump, entitlement programs are going to be increased and expanded the same as under Hillary. The difference will be the salesman. Trump has gone on record saying he likes single payer. When he tells you he is going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.... that's what he means. Single payer. Not only will healthcare be government funded, he wants to set it up within the capitalist system so corporatists can screw the government.

You're being sold a bill of goods by a man who thinks you're not that smart. He's a New York liberal and has been his entire life... until he decided to run for president. Now he's like the Pied Piper with all you people following behind, bamboozled into believing he is going to do all these things he has promised... and he wouldn't dare lie to you because, well... he's not a politician! Yeah right!

You continue to criticise Trump because of what you think he might do and you ignore the fact of what Hillary WILL do. I didn't say trump was a saint, nor that he's a true conservative and for your information, I'm a Cruz supporter.

Trump is the lesser of the two evils, and you don't agree. I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

I was once on board with Trump but he pushed me off the train. As I said, I don't know that he would be "less evil" than Hillary in terms of the damage he is going to do to the Conservative movement. When he is done, a Republican or Conservative can hang it up... we'll never see one elected again. That's MY fear... that he is going to so damage the brand that we will never recover.

I am almost to the point of thinking, Hillary would have to battle Congress to get her SCOTUS picks and everything else, while conservatives could still make their case to the American people. I seriously doubt that narcissistic bitch can get through 4 years without getting herself impeached. Meanwhile, we keep control of Congress and in 4 years, run a principled conservative with a principled conservative message.

If I honestly believed Trump was a Conservative, committed to fundamental Conservative philosophy, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election.... but I know he is not. And every single thing he does that can be turned into something bad-- will be turned into something deplorable and paraded around by the left as an example of modern Conservatism. Think of how we took it in the shorts for all the Bush mistakes. Conservatives are STILL being blamed for Bush.

Just like the other person, you assume two incorrect things:
1. That the GOP will retain control of congress.
2. That given that, they won't cow tow to anything Hillary wants just like they did for 0bama.

It's amazing how you can hear something I never said, and then continue to hear it and argue against it despite being told that you're imagining shit. They have meds for hallucinations like that, you know.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I looked hard at Trump when all this started, and knew Cruze would be the other choice. Rubio was done when he betrayed those who sent him to washington, and the rest were pretty much retreads and washouts from past primareys. So at this point,I am a Cruz supporter. I can pull up his senate record and see consistency. Not so much with Donald Trump. Donald Trump just bounces around to much for me, and he just doesn't have the temperament for the job. He will also have lots of trouble with Hillery when it comes to who he gave money to in his past as a New York developer. He gave over $600,000.00 to democrats who backed things like gun control as well as unions. I don't hold the union thing against him thoigh. Unions build stuff and he needs them, but m afraid they are Inot him to deeply. I was able to find all that with a simple Google search. Hillery will bring more with her machine. All that and his behavior, all the winning and crying about the rules, unless they are in his favor, he hasn't complained about the Florida deligates.

So in short, go Ted.

You say his donations to Dems will hurt him, but the union stuff won't because he needs them to build stuff. My impression is that he gave money to politicians on both sides because buying politicians makes building things easier. He appeared to be politically agnostic when he was strictly a businessman. I don't follow your reasoning.

Between 1989 and 2010, The Donald gave $314,300 to Democratic groups and candidates and $290,600 to Republicans, according to a Daily Caller analysis of records maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics.


But Trump’s donation gap was even larger during the mid-2000s, which saw the end of Republican congressional majorities and the ascendance of the Democratic party.


Overall in the 2006 election cycle, Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., donated $77,200 to Democrats versus only $24,250 on Republicans. Looking back to the 2004 cycle, the pair donated $40,500 to Democrats and only $17,250 to the GOP.

Donald Trump Donated Heavily To Democrats, Especially During Election Which Put Reid And Pelosi In Power

In what universe does that look "politically agnostic"?

I think it is a bit more subtle than simply saying because he donated 10% more to Dems than Reps over a 20 year period he is clearly more democratic. I haven't , nor do I intend to, spend my time analyzing each donation he has made with the idea it will give me some insight to his political leanings. Sounds like somebody is feeling a little butt hurt because her canidate is getting slapped around by an orange clown. Having no dog in the fight can help with objectivity.

I would consider it extremely helpful if you Trumpwits would make an effort to read and understand more than just the first line of a post before gasbagging your "wisdom" back.

Had you bothered to do so before getting your Trump panties in a ruffle with the need to defend the Orange Messiah, you would have noticed in the third paragraph that during specific election cycles, particularly the one that gave us the wonders of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, Trump's donation balance shifted SIGNIFICANTLY more than 10% difference to the Democrats.

Unless, y'know, the new Common Core math tells us that $77,200 is only 10% more than $24,250 and $40,500 is only 10% more than $17,250.