who's gonna pay for the wall?!

[CultureCitizen]

Evenmore: The driving force behilnd immigration is the law of supply and demand, people come , because the jobs are available, not the other way round.

AKA the LACK of will to enforce the law and stop illegals from coming. Cutting off the 'demand' would not be that hard...

The IRS admitted they KNOW illegals are using stolen identities - stolen SS#s - to get jobs here in the states. Mandatory E-Verify would greatly reduce illegals getting jobs here, reducing the 'demand' for illegals. It would not be hard to ID illegals trying to get jobs and would not be hard to hammer the living shite out of companies who do hire illegals, making it far LESS profitable to hire them than not.

If there are no jobs, illegals will not come.
If there is no welfare, food stamps, Obamaphones, medical care, housing, driver's licenses, etc they will not come.
If we had a government that would enforce the law - all of them, who would stop making rules / laws for illegals that are separate than those Americans are held to, if illegal criminals were treated as such, it would greatly reduce illegal immigration.

If you cut off all funding to the Mexican government which has been proven to be helping - not stopping - the illegal immigration to this country it would greatly help reduce illegal immigration.

You can go on and on. The fact is there is no SERIOUS effort being put forth to stop illegal immigration. That is because there is a lack of will to do so.

Well , you could create an identity card and enforce fines on employers, that would cover the supply side. In fact immigration was halted by the 2008 crisis.

For all I know very few Americans are willing to take the farm jobs at $9 an hour. It would be interesting to know just how high they would need to be to be filled by US citizens and what effect it would have on food prices.

I still think the wall is ridiculous , it is cheap to build but expensive to maintain and keep manned, but it helps Trump build up his great spectacle of front runner. It is disquieting not to know when Trump is making a serious point and when he is just talking to make a spectacle and get the attention of the press. In any case I don't think he is qualified to become president.

 

[bripat9643]

Mexico isnt paying for a wall. Trump is not going to make them. The whole thing is silly and anyone who believes Trump on this is a feeb.

Trump will simply tax remittances to Mexico at a rate of 50%. Mexico will cough up the cash in short order, or the tax on remittances will cover it.

 

[easyt65]

A wall is not needed in reality. What is needed is a President and a government willing to enforce existing laws, that will not violate laws in support of illegal immigration as this one has, who will secure our borders, protect American citizens, and who will make US citizens a higher priority that illegals, refugees, and terrorists.

 

[easyt65]

Trump will simply tax remittances to Mexico at a rate of 50%. Mexico will cough up the cash in short order, or the tax on remittances will cover it.

Maybe we could seize all the drugs coming across our border (and under it) and sell it back to the Cartels we took it from...

 

[bripat9643]

A wall is not needed in reality. What is needed is a President and a government willing to enforce existing laws, that will not violate laws in support of illegal immigration as this one has, who will secure our borders, protect American citizens, and who will make US citizens a higher priority that illegals, refugees, and terrorists.

So what happens when the Dimocrats come to power?

 

[bripat9643]

Trump will simply tax remittances to Mexico at a rate of 50%. Mexico will cough up the cash in short order, or the tax on remittances will cover it.

Maybe we could seize all the drugs coming across our border (and under it) and sell it back to the Cartels we took it from...

Why would they buy the drugs?

 

[easyt65]

Why would they buy the drugs?

Drug Cartels are in the business of selling drugs. If you confiscate the drugs that means you have just taken an ass-load of money from them. They have no cash and no product. Offer to sell them back their product so they can sell it elsewhere....

It was also a JOKE.

 

[NYcarbineer]

At least 40% of the illegals currently in the US came in through legal entry points, not by crossing through the border where this wall will supposedly be built.

The wall would cost 25 billion to build not to mention year to year maintenance costs, and the Mexicans will never pay for it.

Building the wall would involve years, maybe decades of litigation.

There is no practical value in pursuing this venture.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And what if Mexico says no?

Stop giving them money.

 

[Camp]

Mexico isnt paying for a wall. Trump is not going to make them. The whole thing is silly and anyone who believes Trump on this is a feeb.

Trump will simply tax remittances to Mexico at a rate of 50%. Mexico will cough up the cash in short order, or the tax on remittances will cover it.

Ya, because experts at smuggling people, drugs and guns won't be able to figure out how to transfer money in ways that get around a remittance tax.

 

[Votto]

MEXICO!

Who is gonna pay for the wall?

Silly, that's why we have the Fed.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And what if Mexico says no?

They’ll have to stop laughing first…

Of course Mexico laughs at us. Their poorest and neediest coming here is like a safety valve for their economy, and we allow it. This is why they're so outraged at the Donald. He says let's do this immigration thing legally like almost every other country does, including Mexico.

Many would go back, if conditions were better: many Mexican farmers and corporations went south after NAFTA, that meant many jobs disappeared. Trump is saying many jobs are going to Mexico, that is a blatant lie and he knows it.

Anyone who has been there knows that jobs are neither plentiful nor well paid. Try to make a living with the Mexican minimum wage of $4 per day and then you'll understand why so many are fleeing the country.


Are they really taking jobs from Americans?

You obviously dont live in a border state.
They've taken over every blue collar job out there.
Truck drivers,construction,A/C,plumbing,machinist..etc,etc....
Those jobs were done by Americans who can no longer compete because immigrants undercut them at every turn.
You dumbass liberals constantly cry about a living wage and more jobs yet you morons are the reason for both problems.
Join conservatives in stopping illegals instead of encouraging them.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And what if Mexico says no?

They’ll have to stop laughing first…

Of course Mexico laughs at us. Their poorest and neediest coming here is like a safety valve for their economy, and we allow it. This is why they're so outraged at the Donald. He says let's do this immigration thing legally like almost every other country does, including Mexico.

Many would go back, if conditions were better: many Mexican farmers and corporations went south after NAFTA, that meant many jobs disappeared. Trump is saying many jobs are going to Mexico, that is a blatant lie and he knows it.

Anyone who has been there knows that jobs are neither plentiful nor well paid. Try to make a living with the Mexican minimum wage of $4 per day and then you'll understand why so many are fleeing the country.


Are they really taking jobs from Americans?

So if the US helped Mexico a bit more to become richer, then the US might benefit. At present the US tries to take jobs away from them. Then complains when they end up in the US.

Not our problem.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Putting up a wall and making 'Mexico pay for it' is not rocket science. In fact, it would be EXTREMELY easy to do so. The only problem we face that prevents us from already having done so is not the lack of ability to do so but rather the lack of the WILL / DESIRE to do so.

'Mexico WOULD pay for the wall if we decided to and took action to do so. They have no say in the matter regarding several courses of actions we could take and very little to say about it if we decided to go other routes.

1. 'Foreign Aid' Wall Fund:
The United States doles out millions to Mexico every year in the form of 'foreign aid'. Simply do not pay Mexico a dime in foreign aid, using the money instead to fund the building the wall. Technically US Tax payers would still be paying for it, but we would be using tax dollars Mexico was going to get.

2. Freeze and Seize:
Mexico has billions in assets in the US. Freeze their bank accounts and use their own funds in these accounts to ay for the construction of a wall, monitoring systems, and other additional security measures. Once the project is complete release Mexico's assets back to them.As
- I would also cut checks from those same Mexican Bank accounts to the families of those American citizens murdered / killed by illegals in this country.

Again, we have no problem making it happen other than the political will to do so.

As per my previous post:
1) And once the wall is nice and done, people will start crossing by the sea... just as refugees do in Europe.
2) Half of the illegals arive by plane, tighter screenings might do the job, but Trump is a construction guy, so I guess a big wall goes more with his usual line of business.

Evenmore: The driving force behilnd immigration is the law of supply and demand, people come , because the jobs are available, not the other way round.

So you think they're going to go by boat?

They'd have to use cargo ships to equal the amount that cross our borders on foot,and last time I checked there are limited places you can dock a 500ft ship,and it's pretty damn hard to hide on the open ocean.

Lock down the border,I dont care if it's with a wall or manpower.
Stop giving them any kind of support and fine the shit out of businesses that hire them.
Border security is not the final solution,only another piece of enforcement.

 

[bripat9643]

At least 40% of the illegals currently in the US came in through legal entry points, not by crossing through the border where this wall will supposedly be built.

The wall would cost 25 billion to build not to mention year to year maintenance costs, and the Mexicans will never pay for it.

Building the wall would involve years, maybe decades of litigation.

There is no practical value in pursuing this venture.

Yeah, because solving 60% of the illegal immigration problem just isn't valuable.

You're just another leftwing open-borders douche bag making excuses for doing nothing. No matter what solution is proposed, vermin like you find some reason to poo poo the idea.

 

[Rustic]

And what if Mexico says no?

Stop their aid then...

 

[bripat9643]

Mexico isnt paying for a wall. Trump is not going to make them. The whole thing is silly and anyone who believes Trump on this is a feeb.

Trump will simply tax remittances to Mexico at a rate of 50%. Mexico will cough up the cash in short order, or the tax on remittances will cover it.

Ya, because experts at smuggling people, drugs and guns won't be able to figure out how to transfer money in ways that get around a remittance tax.

How do you imagine that some ignorant peasants can transfer money to Mexico without the government knowing about it? Do you imagine they are going to send cash?

 

[frigidweirdo]

And what if Mexico says no?

Stop their aid then...

Then what? More Mexicans into the USA?

Aid really isn't the solution to Mexico's problems anyway. They need trade, not aid.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Mexico isnt paying for a wall. Trump is not going to make them. The whole thing is silly and anyone who believes Trump on this is a feeb.

Trump will simply tax remittances to Mexico at a rate of 50%. Mexico will cough up the cash in short order, or the tax on remittances will cover it.

Ya, because experts at smuggling people, drugs and guns won't be able to figure out how to transfer money in ways that get around a remittance tax.

How do you imagine that some ignorant peasants can transfer money to Mexico without the government knowing about it? Do you imagine they are going to send cash?

Make it a crime to wire money to mexico without proof of a 30% tax paid.
Western union and the banks would toe the line or pay the price.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And what if Mexico says no?

Stop their aid then...

Then what? More Mexicans into the USA?

Aid really isn't the solution to Mexico's problems anyway. They need trade, not aid.

How will they manage that with increased border security and no gov benefits or jobs?