Who was she?

[Eman623]

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If you haven't been reading the posts in this thread, you never will.
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Are you going to argue me into seeing something that is not in the video?

Good luck with that. If a picture is worth 1000 words than a video is worth 1000000

 

[frigidweirdo]

To me it came off as an accidental discharge. Im not a gun expert, but I have goofed around with a flock 19. It seemed real easy to rapidly fire rounds with little effort. I think he had his gun up and ready and when she nudged him the gun went off three times rapidly. To me, even the audio sounds like it was just one shot.

No, he pulled the gun and fired it very quickly. That's not accidental. Why pull the gun out in the first place? It wasn't going to protect him from a car.

 

[JWBooth]

No, he pulled the gun and fired it very quickly. That's not accidental. Why pull the gun out in the first place? It wasn't going to protect him from a car.

Cop training, you wouldn’t understand. The point is to always be the victor in every confrontation

 

[frigidweirdo]

Cop training, you wouldn’t understand.

You forgot to put "shit" before "cop training".

 

[ThisIsMe]

WEARING MASKS. Shouldn't be asking people to step out of cars for no reason. They also should say "step out of the ******* car", they should be POLITE, they should be in control of the situation.

Polite went out the window a long time ago when lefty’s decided they wanted to start attacking agents and doxxing them and their families.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Polite went out the window a long time ago when lefty’s decided they wanted to start attacking agents and doxxing them and their families.

As far as I know, the police and ICE being super aggressive came BEFORE people started protesting them.

And there is a RIGHT to protesting in the US, right?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Noting the image would have helped.

It was sort of an experiment. I wanted to see if posters recognized her. We all will have the face of Renee Good pounded into our heads. It should be Laken Riley instead.

 

[ThisIsMe]

As far as I know, the police and ICE being super aggressive came BEFORE people started protesting them.

And there is a RIGHT to protesting in the US, right?

Ice was only aggressive to those interfering.

And no, there is no right to do what they are doing here. This is not “peacefully assembling to petition the government for redress of grievance”

 

[DigitalDrifter]

As far as I know, the police and ICE being super aggressive came BEFORE people started protesting them.

And there is a RIGHT to protesting in the US, right?

They have to get aggressive at times when they are chasing down an illegal who fights them. The same goes for the protesters. If you continually harass and physically interfere with them, there is going to be aggression. This isn't hard.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ice was only aggressive to those interfering.

And no, there is no right to do what they are doing here. This is not “peacefully assembling to petition the government for redress of grievance”

And everyone is interfering. ICE is attacking people for no reason. I've seen quite a few videos of them grabbing people and throwing them on the floor, when they don't need to.

Their training is bad, their officers are bad.

The dude who killed this woman was standing in front of the car. Why? Loads of police officers and the like have come out and said "you don't stand in front of a car and you don't shoot a car that's escaping".

Oh wow, you don't know what the first amendment says.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It doesn't say the right to peaceably assemble to petition the government. It says the right to peaceably assemble AND the right to petition the government.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They have to get aggressive at times when they are chasing down an illegal who fights them. The same goes for the protesters. If you continually harass and physically interfere with them, there is going to be aggression. This isn't hard.

If they were dealing with people, illegal or not, who are trying to start fights with them, then I don't think people would have a problem.

When they're shooting people who aren't posing a threat, or when they're beating people up, pushing them on the floor when they don't pose a threat, then it's a ******* PROBLEM.

it's not hard to distinguish between the two, unless of course you're an idiot ICE officer who couldn't even pass the writing test. Which is seems a lot of them are.

 

[ThisIsMe]

And everyone is interfering. ICE is attacking people for no reason. I've seen quite a few videos of them grabbing people and throwing them on the floor, when they don't need to.

Are those people trying to interfere with ice agents?

The dude who killed this woman was standing in front of the car. Why? Loads of police officers and the like have come out and said "you don't stand in front of a car and you don't shoot a car that's escaping".

I don’t know, the investigation is ongoing.

Oh wow, you don't know what the first amendment says.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It doesn't say the right to peaceably assemble to petition the government. It says the right to peaceably assemble AND the right to petition the government.

Yes, you got all of that right, and that does not apply in any way to what these people are doing

 

[frigidweirdo]

Are those people trying to interfere with ice agents?


I don’t know, the investigation is ongoing.



Yes, you got all of that right, and that does not apply in any way to what these people are doing

No.

And ICE agents CANNOT go around killing or physically assaulting people just because they're in the way. That's not how FREE COUNTRIES WORK.

Dictatorships on the other hand.

Of course, you need an investigation to understand why and ICE agent is standing in front of a ******* car.

Two possibilities. A) He doesn't know how to do his job. B) His training is shit.

Or both.

You have the right to protest in the US. It's a fundamental right. You want to protest what ICE is doing, you have certain rights. ICE do not have the right to kill you unless you are a threat to their life. There shouldn't have been a threat to life, because the dude should NOT HAVE BEEN STANDING IN FRONT OF THE ******* CAR.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No.

And ICE agents CANNOT go around killing or physically assaulting people just because they're in the way. That's not how FREE COUNTRIES WORK.

These people have been attacking ice agents, they have been doxxing them, they try to block them with their vehicles.

Ice has every right to remove them and if they resist, then it’s not ices fault if they get roughed up in the scuffle.

Of course, you need an investigation to understand why and ICE agent is standing in front of a ******* car.

I need an investigation to determine what happened.

Two possibilities. A) He doesn't know how to do his job. B) His training is shit.

I will wait to see what the investigation says. I’m not making a judgement one way or the other.

You have the right to protest in the US. It's a fundamental right. You want to protest what ICE is doing, you have certain rights.

You have the right to peacefully protest. Once you start interfering, blocking traffic, assaulting people, banging on cars, trying to prevent people from moving, it stops being peaceful and becomes unlawful.

If you want to go to the capitol building, or to the ice office, and stand outside and hold signs and chant things, in a non interpretive volume, then you have the right to do that.

The thing lefty’s don’t seem to understand is that you don’t have a right to make other people listen to your complaints.

You need to protest the government, not “the people”. This means you go to where the government is, not out in the streets or in front of businesses or peoples homes.

ICE do not have the right to kill you unless you are a threat to their life. There shouldn't have been a threat to life, because the dude should NOT HAVE BEEN STANDING IN FRONT OF THE ******* CAR.

Again, I’m holding my opinions on THIS incident til we see what the investigation turns up.

 

[frigidweirdo]

These people have been attacking ice agents, they have been doxxing them, they try to block them with their vehicles.

Ice has every right to remove them and if they resist, then it’s not ices fault if they get roughed up in the scuffle.



I need an investigation to determine what happened.



I will wait to see what the investigation says. I’m not making a judgement one way or the other.



You have the right to peacefully protest. Once you start interfering, blocking traffic, assaulting people, banging on cars, trying to prevent people from moving, it stops being peaceful and becomes unlawful.

If you want to go to the capitol building, or to the ice office, and stand outside and hold signs and chant things, in a non interpretive volume, then you have the right to do that.

The thing lefty’s don’t seem to understand is that you don’t have a right to make other people listen to your complaints.

You need to protest the government, not “the people”. This means you go to where the government is, not out in the streets or in front of businesses or peoples homes.




Again, I’m holding my opinions on THIS incident til we see what the investigation turns up.

Yes, I agree. However "removing them" does not mean shooting them. Does not mean storming up to the car saying "get the **** out of the car" and aggressively going to grab the keys. There are ways of doing things IN A FREE SOCIETY and ways to not do things.

You know what happened. We have the video. He got out of his car, walked around the other car once, then stood in front of the car with the woman in it.

ICE are federal employees. You can protest their actions. Which is what they're doing. The 1A does not say WHERE you have to protest. And in the modern era, the government has TV. They can see what's happening.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yes, I agree. However "removing them" does not mean shooting them.

Sure, shooting should be reserved for egregious incidents.

Does not mean storming up to the car saying "get the **** out of the car" and aggressively going to grab the keys.

Ice has been dealing with these kinds of interference for weeks. People throwing bricks at them, blocking them, doxxing them I’m sure they are tired of people interfering their faces all the time.

You know what happened. We have the video. He got out of his car, walked around the other car once, then stood in front of the car with the woman in it.

I think we’re all judging this prematurely. I want to see what the investigation turns up.

ICE are federal employees. You can protest their actions.

Yes, but you can’t protest THEM, you can petition the government. In other words, if you have a gripe about what they are doing, you petition the government, not the employees. Call your representatives and senators.

Which is what they're doing. The 1A does not say WHERE you have to protest.

It actually gives the government the right to set the time and manner of protests. It also says you can petition “the government”. Ice agents are not “the government”.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sure, shooting should be reserved for egregious incidents.



Ice has been dealing with these kinds of interference for weeks. People throwing bricks at them, blocking them, doxxing them I’m sure they are tired of people interfering their faces all the time.



I think we’re all judging this prematurely. I want to see what the investigation turns up.



Yes, but you can’t protest THEM, you can petition the government. In other words, if you have a gripe about what they are doing, you petition the government, not the employees. Call your representatives and senators.



It actually gives the government the right to set the time and manner of protests. It also says you can petition “the government”. Ice agents are not “the government”.

Oh, so if you're tired of something, just shoot the problem?

For everyone else, this gets you a murder charge. For the brown shirts I mean ICE it gets you a place in the hall of fame.

You want to see what the investigation, which is being run by Trump's people, will uncover? Do you honestly think it'll do anything?

Look at Trump's investigation into Epstein. They found that there was no need to prosecute anyone. Then when Trump found out he had to release the files, suddenly he felt that prosecuting people was good because he could withhold documents that might be needed for such cases.

Trump investigating January 6th was "ah, let's just pardon them all" and half of them are back in prison.

THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT. ICE are representatives of the government. YES, you can protest them.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Oh, so if you're tired of something, just shoot the problem?

I never said that. I said shooting only for the most egregious offenses, where warranted.

But, with how these anti ice protesters are acting, it’s no wonder the ice agents are tired of it.

You want to see what the investigation, which is being run by Trump's people, will uncover? Do you honestly think it'll do anything?

I don’t know, but at this point, all we have are assumptions and emotion driven points of view.

Look at Trump's investigation into Epstein. They found that there was no need to prosecute anyone. Then when Trump found out he had to release the files, suddenly he felt that prosecuting people was good because he could withhold documents that might be needed for such cases.

I’ve always been on the side of releasing the Epstein files.

Trump investigating January 6th was "ah, let's just pardon them all" and half of them are back in prison.

I think anyone who was breaking in to offices, doing damage, fighting with officers, should have been prosecuted. If you were just walking around in there, I don’t think they should have been detained.

THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT. ICE are representatives of the government. YES, you can protest them.

No, they are employees of the government but they are not “the government”. They have no power to change anything, they are there to enforce the laws they are given. When you are there in the faces of those people, that’s harassment.

The word protest is not really correct, the correct word is “petition”. This means you can go to your senator and representatives and petition for change.

Harassing an ice agent would be the same as someone yelling at an employee because they don’t like the prices their company charges.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I never said that. I said shooting only for the most egregious offenses, where warranted.

But, with how these anti ice protesters are acting, it’s no wonder the ice agents are tired of it.




I don’t know, but at this point, all we have are assumptions and emotion driven points of view.




I’ve always been on the side of releasing the Epstein files.



I think anyone who was breaking in to offices, doing damage, fighting with officers, should have been prosecuted. If you were just walking around in there, I don’t think they should have been detained.



No, they are employees of the government but they are not “the government”. They have no power to change anything, they are there to enforce the laws they are given. When you are there in the faces of those people, that’s harassment.

The word protest is not really correct, the correct word is “petition”. This means you can go to your senator and representatives and petition for change.

Harassing an ice agent would be the same as someone yelling at an employee because they don’t like the prices their company charges.

And yet Trump seems to think that shooting someone who isn't wanted by ICE, just because she's there, and ICE are there, and she's protesting them, is perfectly valid.

I'm sure the ICE agents are tired of it. They didn't get it under Biden when Biden was deporting loads of immigrants. So what changed? Trump.

Trump has made this a huge thing, and people are protesting Trump. He's literally making their job harder, just so he can get in the news every day.

Ah, turns out the "investigation" isn't actually happening any more. Trump doesn't like it, Noem is a yes person who will lie on demand and do whatever she's told, like a good little poodle that she is.

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"The Justice Department does not believe there is currently any basis to open a criminal civil rights investigation into Good's killing, a top department official said Tuesday."

So, you're going to wait, and wait, and wait, and it's getting brushed under the carpet. WHY? It's pretty obvious why. Trump doesn't want anyone to go against his narrative. And an investigation would probably find that the agent shouldn't have been standing in front of the car, the agent shouldn't have fired his gun either.

I mean, it's a 102% certainty if the investigation were carried out properly, this is what they'd find. Because so many ex-police are saying "this is not what you do".

So, Trump doesn't want to release the Epstein files. Obvious why. He's either protecting people he likes, or protecting himself, or both.

He's a liar, he's lied so many times about the Epstein files. He lied about the Minnesota shooting too. It's all the same pattern from Trump.

Trump will do whatever it takes to stop people getting at his illegal activities.

What is "the government"? Which person is "the government"?

Congressmen and women are merely cogs in the system, they are not the "government". Trump isn't the "government", the presidency is only 1/3rd of it.

Yeah, and people often shout at people, because they can't reach those who make the decisions. If people don't like it, they quit, then the company has to do something about it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

And yet Trump seems to think that shooting someone who isn't wanted by ICE, just because she's there, and ICE are there, and she's protesting them, is perfectly valid.

He did t say “because she was there”, but because he says she tried to run him over.

I'm sure the ICE agents are tired of it. They didn't get it under Biden when Biden was deporting loads of immigrants. So what changed? Trump.

Yeah, that’s more a reflection on democrats than it is on republicans. Democrats only cared about deportations when trump is doing it. Makes you wonder, where were the anti ice protests when Biden was deporting illegals?

Trump has made this a huge thing, and people are protesting Trump. He's literally making their job harder, just so he can get in the news every day.

Agreed, they are protesting trump. I don’t think any of these protesters really care about the issues, I think they are out there just to vent their trump hate. Most of them are likely paid to be there.

Ah, turns out the "investigation" isn't actually happening any more. Trump doesn't like it, Noem is a yes person who will lie on demand and do whatever she's told, like a good little poodle that she is.

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"The Justice Department does not believe there is currently any basis to open a criminal civil rights investigation into Good's killing, a top department official said Tuesday."

So, you're going to wait, and wait, and wait, and it's getting brushed under the carpet. WHY? It's pretty obvious why. Trump doesn't want anyone to go against his narrative. And an investigation would probably find that the agent shouldn't have been standing in front of the car, the agent shouldn't have fired his gun either.

I mean, it's a 102% certainty if the investigation were carried out properly, this is what they'd find. Because so many ex-police are saying "this is not what you do"

There are differing opinions, there are multiple angles. Minnesota is doing an investigation as well, but it’s pointless because we already know where it’s going to go, just like you know where any trump administration investigation would go. The left screamed guilty, even before the alternate angles came out. The reports now are saying the officer is experiencing internal bleeding. How does that happen if he wasn’t hit?

At the end of the day, we’ll be no closer to any truth, so, for me to speculate on what happened would be improper.

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So, Trump doesn't want to release the Epstein files. Obvious why. He's either protecting people he likes, or protecting himself, or both.

On, we don’t know. I wish he would release them. But Ill always go back to, why didn’t Biden release them?

He's a liar, he's lied so many times about the Epstein files. He lied about the Minnesota shooting too. It's all the same pattern from Trump.

Obama lied too, Biden lied too, did you ever speak out against them?

What is "the government"? Which person is "the government"?

The government is executive, legislative, and judicial branches, and all the bureaucracies in between, the people who make the decisions, those whom were elected. The people who work for those agencies are not the government. Your freedom to petition was intended to be to your elected representatives.

Congressmen and women are merely cogs in the system, they are not the "government". Trump isn't the "government", the presidency is only 1/3rd of it.

But there is no point in protesting ice agents since they are not the government and do not have the power to make changes.

Again, protesting an ice agent would be like protesting a grocery store employee because the price of tomatoes is too high.

Yeah, and people often shout at people, because they can't reach those who make the decisions. If people don't like it, they quit, then the company has to do something about it.

So your plan is to aggravate ice agents to the point of quitting? Who’s going to enforce our immigration laws?

Can I come to your place of employment and harass you until you quit for things that are beyond your control?